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Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:31 pm Unless he wanted them to print it and sue

Pay for a nice holiday when we’re out of lockdown alright

I’m could just be really stupid people, screen grabs confirmed their perception/bias and they went with it. Happened with RTE and that priest.

EverReady wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:35 pm Lads the point may still stand that he circulated a document to his mates that wasn't for general consumption. Am I right in that?

If his version is true it's more of a Hillary using her own email type of thing.

MunsterMan!!!!! wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:27 pm What's this leo story?

He hates immigrants and poor people and he’s a leaker.

paddyor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:38 pm I’m could just be really stupid people, screen grabs confirmed their perception/bias and they went with it. Happened with RTE and that priest.

Eh or the time they destroyed a Presidential election.

Sorry to be the techno-neanderthal but how has this information been extracted ? Has someone hacked someone's phone here ?

Is this the Irish version of Hunter Biden's Laptop going for a 'fix' or is this simply a completely illegal hack, a completely fabricated hack or a completely factual hack ?

Trying to understand what Google and Facebook might do next ... ?

Sweet knee taking Engalnd

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:43 pm Sweet knee taking Engalnd

-ish ...

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:42 pm Sorry to be the techno-neanderthal but how has this information been extracted ? Has someone hacked someone's phone here ?

Is this the Irish version of Hunter Biden's Laptop going for a 'fix' or is this simply a completely illegal hack, a completely fabricated hack or a completely factual hack ?

Trying to understand what Google and Facebook might do next ... ?

The group chat screen grabs were from a disgruntled member member of the NAGP. The NAGP went down in flames pretty spectacularly so there's probably plenty of ill will there. Don't know where the others came from.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:18 am

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:16 am

Error on the side of caution. You have to with public health

At the expense of everything else? Nonsense. This isn’t the bubonic plague. It’s a virus with a median age of victims at 83. Yes it is serious for the over 65’s but you’re talking as if shutting down the country for a year is not going to be absolutely devastating. Err on the side of caution was the correct approach in March, that’s no longer the situation now.

This.

We need to learn to live with it, and Level 3 appeared to allow us to do that.

alliswell wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:47 pm

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:42 pm Sorry to be the techno-neanderthal but how has this information been extracted ? Has someone hacked someone's phone here ?

Is this the Irish version of Hunter Biden's Laptop going for a 'fix' or is this simply a completely illegal hack, a completely fabricated hack or a completely factual hack ?

Trying to understand what Google and Facebook might do next ... ?

The group chat screen grabs were from a disgruntled member member of the NAGP. The NAGP went down in flames pretty spectacularly so there's probably plenty of ill will there. Don't know where the others came from.

Holey, moley ... talk about 'dry tinder' ...

From the RTE report on the matter :

Michael Smith, editor of Village magazine, has responded to Mr Varadkar's statement.

Mr Smith said the NAGP considered that the document was confidential and messages published in Village confirmed this was the view of the NAGP.

Looks like the Village fúcked up badly not checking the NAGP claims.

Stephen Donnelly informed the Dáil on the 16th that the GPs had not seem the document.

Which would indicate to me that Leo allowed the Dáil to be misled.

Apologies Donnelly wasn't a Minister.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:00 pm From the RTE report on the matter :

Michael Smith, editor of Village magazine, has responded to Mr Varadkar's statement.

Mr Smith said the NAGP considered that the document was confidential and messages published in Village confirmed this was the view of the NAGP.

Looks like the Village fúcked up badly not checking the NAGP claims.

A little bit lax for folks trying to be a credible media outlet ... but this story will still run regardless ... for those susceptible to it's message ...

Gavin Reilly tweeting the deal not published until May.

Donnelly on the Dail record of not getting a copy by the 16th of April.

Might not be all over yet

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:10 pm Gavin Reilly tweeting the deal not published until May.

Donnelly on the Dail record of not getting a copy by the 16th of April.

Might not be all over yet

IMO Statement of 5th April :

https://www.imo.ie/news-media/news-pres ... /index.xml

Ohhh Cammy appears to have dealt a fatal blow there. Can Mullet come back from the dead?

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:16 pm Ohhh Cammy appears to have dealt a fatal blow there. Can Mullet come back from the dead?

I'm not Gavan Reilly amigo.

I

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:14 pm

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:10 pm Gavin Reilly tweeting the deal not published until May.

Donnelly on the Dail record of not getting a copy by the 16th of April.

Might not be all over yet

IMO Statement of 5th April :

https://www.imo.ie/news-media/news-pres ... /index.xml

Was the report published horse? The Mother and baby home report is concluded also but it ain't published.

Anyone see the Examiner? They had an article online saying tributes to Connery were led by Roger Moore and showed a tweet from a Roger Moore Twitter account

416/5

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:04 pm 416/5

But nothing to do with Level 3.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:06 pm

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:04 pm 416/5

But nothing to do with Level 3.

They said it wouldn’t work

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:07 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:06 pm

Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:04 pm 416/5

But nothing to do with Level 3.

They said it wouldn’t work

Should be an urgent review and return to level 3

From the 6th floor of the mater the fireworks look good. You can’t tell it’s skangers terrorising the neighbours

What's the TL;DR on this Varadkar thing, how much bother is he in?

danthefan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:44 pm What's the TL;DR on this Varadkar thing, how much bother is he in?

Not much. He won't be going to jail for violating the offical secrets act and it wasn't a corrupt act for a bribe. It's very tabloidy(DP gets a mention). It presents a lot of messages from this fella as kind of fact. The primary source seems to be some disgruntled health sector investor and there's a few discrepancies in the screenshots.

My guess is Maitiu O'Tuathail oversold his access to Leo to big himself up and there was people swallowing his BS whole.

danthefan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:44 pm What's the TL;DR on this Varadkar thing, how much bother is he in?

He sent a copy of the newly negotiated gp contract to a friend of his. The contract was negotiated with the IMO, the friend was in a rival organisation. The IMO had released details from the contract in a statement about a week previous but the actual document remained unpublished.
Varadkar has argued that the release by the IMO means the information was in the public domain.

Varadkar's mobilised the solicitors. The statement from the magazine implies that he was informed of the story before it was published so they were obviously happy to go with it. Looks like it's one for the lawyers to fight out.

As for the trouble he's in: could be anything from none to a bit. Opposition have picked it up and run with it but the Greens and FF have also made noises. Jim O'Callaghan first and Timmy Dooley most. Martin quoted as saying it was "inappropriate". Knives will be out among FF backbenchers. Greens have called for a statement and clarity. Ministers and Junior Ministers all keeping shtum. Could be a hassle.

Nobody cares, brah.

It’s very simple. If you dislike Leo then he’s a scumbag who shares information to his mates. If you like Leo then it’s a storm in a teacup and he was a bit bold but nothing serious.

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:10 am

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:07 am https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status ... 04672?s=20

I think there is no doubt a lot of that is true. What is also not in doubt is he shared a confidential unpublished document with his mates, gave it the whole SSSSSHHHHHH and when caught had the temerity to point to the Taoiseach and say well actually he told me to do it. Micheál is the biggest knickers in the country if he lets that slide

A friend of mine used to get a bit of stick for calling everyone his friend. LIke we'd come out of the pub and he'd say, "Hand on I'll call me mate he'll pick us up". And he would and then a taxi would show up. He won't on to work as aninfluence peddler in the UK for a bit. I think your man O'Tuathaill is over playing his connection to Varadkar. Maybe there's more but all the article has is Varadkar asking for his address.

I'm not sure what exactly they thought they were gaining either with the "leak" either. IT was basically the contract that was going to be offered to all GPs. And again it's not Vardakar saying shush it's the leaders of NAGP who needed to read the legal text. If there was something in the document that the NAGP could have used to leverage a better deal than the IMO with the govt then it's sus but there wasn't.

Martin can't fire him, only FG can.

A number of things need to be kept in mind. At the time there were two rival organisations representing GPs, the IMO, and NAGP. Maitiu O Tuathail may or may not have been a mate of Varadkar's, but much more pertinently he led the NAGP. In Ireland GPs are independent contractors, and, under competition law, all GPs, whether represented by the IMO or NAGP need to vote on any proposals tabled by the Dept of Health (which is the competition fig leaf they use to pretend the IMO are not group negotiators). So, Varadkar sent the original of the agreement to NAGP, presumably so that they were getting information from the horses mouth rather than the IMO presser.

As was said above, if you don't like Varadkar you'll call it a resigning matter, if you do, nothing, just part of the negotiating process with the doctors.

A nothing story really, in some respects it just doubles down on Varadkar loving a leak but really it isn’t. Most of it seems to have been in the public domain already.

The Paddy C link is 100% in my opinion. He must have put a few quid into the magazine. Going by his tweets yesterday, I imagine him zooming around Rathgar, Ranelagh, Rathmines and Ballsbridge roaring his head off. He’s a really strange fish, he’ll be feeling sore about his conference for the rest of time.

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:00 am

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:10 am

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:07 am https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status ... 04672?s=20

I think there is no doubt a lot of that is true. What is also not in doubt is he shared a confidential unpublished document with his mates, gave it the whole SSSSSHHHHHH and when caught had the temerity to point to the Taoiseach and say well actually he told me to do it. Micheál is the biggest knickers in the country if he lets that slide

A friend of mine used to get a bit of stick for calling everyone his friend. LIke we'd come out of the pub and he'd say, "Hand on I'll call me mate he'll pick us up". And he would and then a taxi would show up. He won't on to work as aninfluence peddler in the UK for a bit. I think your man O'Tuathaill is over playing his connection to Varadkar. Maybe there's more but all the article has is Varadkar asking for his address.

I'm not sure what exactly they thought they were gaining either with the "leak" either. IT was basically the contract that was going to be offered to all GPs. And again it's not Vardakar saying shush it's the leaders of NAGP who needed to read the legal text. If there was something in the document that the NAGP could have used to leverage a better deal than the IMO with the govt then it's sus but there wasn't.

Martin can't fire him, only FG can.

How did they get access to his phone though, that’s what gets me.

Yesterdays operations report out.

323 hospitalised, 550 available beds
43 in ICU, 45 available beds

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/ne ... r-2020.pdf

Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:08 am

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:00 am

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:10 am

paddyor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:07 am https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status ... 04672?s=20

I think there is no doubt a lot of that is true. What is also not in doubt is he shared a confidential unpublished document with his mates, gave it the whole SSSSSHHHHHH and when caught had the temerity to point to the Taoiseach and say well actually he told me to do it. Micheál is the biggest knickers in the country if he lets that slide

A friend of mine used to get a bit of stick for calling everyone his friend. LIke we'd come out of the pub and he'd say, "Hand on I'll call me mate he'll pick us up". And he would and then a taxi would show up. He won't on to work as aninfluence peddler in the UK for a bit. I think your man O'Tuathaill is over playing his connection to Varadkar. Maybe there's more but all the article has is Varadkar asking for his address.

I'm not sure what exactly they thought they were gaining either with the "leak" either. IT was basically the contract that was going to be offered to all GPs. And again it's not Vardakar saying shush it's the leaders of NAGP who needed to read the legal text. If there was something in the document that the NAGP could have used to leverage a better deal than the IMO with the govt then it's sus but there wasn't.

Martin can't fire him, only FG can.

How did they get access to his phone though, that’s what gets me.

Outside suspicion he's one of their main sources. But they didn't need to. The main source is screen shots. One of which seems kind of suss to me



He apparently sent that to a disgruntled health sector entrepeneur called Bowes to prove he was connected to Vardkar . Varadkars name and the date and time(taken the day he was asked for his address) but no battery life or time in the corner(maybe that's how older Iphones do it(I'm X). THis is the same Dublin 15 / Dublin 8 message.

https://twitter.com/dmorgandub/status/1 ... 00288?s=20

If Varadkar only gives his detractors the bare minimum response with very little extra to argue against, he might make it through this. For the moment anyway but it's certainly hurt his career.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:06 am A number of things need to be kept in mind. At the time there were two rival organisations representing GPs, the IMO, and NAGP. Maitiu O Tuathail may or may not have been a mate of Varadkar's, but much more pertinently he led the NAGP. In Ireland GPs are independent contractors, and, under competition law, all GPs, whether represented by the IMO or NAGP need to vote on any proposals tabled by the Dept of Health (which is the competition fig leaf they use to pretend the IMO are not group negotiators). So, Varadkar sent the original of the agreement to NAGP, presumably so that they were getting information from the horses mouth rather than the IMO presser.

As was said above, if you don't like Varadkar you'll call it a resigning matter, if you do, nothing, just part of the negotiating process with the doctors.

The man himself says he acted poorly but Cam is giving it the old College try.