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Shinner Cullinane is on the radio.

Saying he thinks the restrictions will be a mix of level 4 and level 5 .

He won't say if he supports it but that government needs to ensure people out of work have the necessary benefits.

It's easy being in opposition
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rfurlong wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:43 pm So the shinners will support whatever health measures are necessary, and Are simultaneously holding out NZ and ardern as a model of how to deal with this virus?

I wonder will anyone in the media have the wit to ask them the obvious question:

"So Mary Lou, it seems that you'd be happy to close the border, New Zealand style, in order to get a lid on covid"?
Followed by " Mary Lou, why have the SF government in the Northern Ireland let the covid virus run wild ?"
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EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:17 pm I read something scary last night where some lad started talking about suppressing the flu as well 'as it's possible'. Genie is out of the bottle
Flu is easy - compulsory flu vaccines for everyone.

See what some of the twitterati say then.
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EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:12 pm I am like Waugh after he converted to Catholicism. Less ghey. NPHET are too powerful rather than just shit. They are also highly irresponsible briefing the way they are. Any government that tries to open up is going to run counter to their CMO's advice. The exact same thing is happening in the UK. Now let's be clear they have a whole different set of problems but the themes are similar
Agree with you there
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:15 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:17 pm 20% of flu cases are asymptomatic.
With one big difference - we don’t say those people hand the flu. We don’t test healthy people for the flu. We don’t count them as statistics for the purpose of justifying restrictions.
We would test healthy people for flu if we were trying to avoid a situation where people would die simply because our hospital system couldn't see to them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we're close to that with covid but they are worried it's going to go that way.
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rfurlong wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:24 am
EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:30 am
alliswell wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:18 am
EverReady wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:58 pm Lads you are all Ben Affleck in Good Will Hunting while I am Matt Damon. I just see shit and my brain solves it BOOM
You are so clearly the lad with the ponytail.
:lol: We are all the guy with the ponytail
Nah,

cammy, Duff and a few others are stellan sjarsgard - the pushy academic ..... their hearts are in the right place but their methods are all wrong :nod:


me, mullet and a few others are Robin Williams .... much more rounded outlooks and not as prone to hysteria 8)

You are Minnie driver ..... sometimes people think "yeah deffo" but a lot of the time they're thinking "yeah, nah" :P

Gav, paddyor and spic are the 2 executives interviewing Ben affleck ...... clueless :lol:

The two BB's are yer man with the ponytail x( :uhoh:
Jesus don't encourage them. This place is one of them Dunning Kruger yokes. Wall to wall lads who massively overestimate their own knowledge and abilities. ER is right, we are all the ponytail guy, some more than others.
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Bollocks

ER is Casey Afleck
Botha is the junky in the detention centre
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Mullet 2 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:00 pm Bollocks

ER is Casey Afleck
Botha is the junky in the detention centre
ER won't ever get to ride shotgun though :lol:
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Without looking back, the hospitalisation rate in NI seems to be close enough to ours. Looking at 2.5-3% ending up in hospital and 0.2-0.3% ending up in ICU. NI have had similar case numbers to us in the last few weeks and have nearly the same numbers in ICU.

We don't have access to enough info to judge the hospital situation fully but I get the impression that ICU stays are shorter than March/April, on average. So for the moment if we assume that the 14 day incidence is related to ICU/hospitalisations at any given time, we still have a fair bit of wriggle room. We could probably manage 3-4 times the daily cases but what's interesting in NI, so far, is that they've levelled off in case numbers. It hasn't yet exploded after the initial surge to circa 1000 cases so is there a saturation point or is it too early to tell?
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CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:23 pm Without looking back, the hospitalisation rate in NI seems to be close enough to ours. Looking at 2.5-3% ending up in hospital and 0.2-0.3% ending up in ICU. NI have had similar case numbers to us in the last few weeks and have nearly the same numbers in ICU.

We don't have access to enough info to judge the hospital situation fully but I get the impression that ICU stays are shorter than March/April, on average. So for the moment if we assume that the 14 day incidence is related to ICU/hospitalisations at any given time, we still have a fair bit of wriggle room. We could probably manage 3-4 times the daily cases but what's interesting in NI, so far, is that they've levelled off in case numbers. It hasn't yet exploded after the initial surge to circa 1000 cases so is there a saturation point or is it too early to tell?
How many tests are they doing daily in NI ? We are up to 19k tests daily now.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:16 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:23 pm Without looking back, the hospitalisation rate in NI seems to be close enough to ours. Looking at 2.5-3% ending up in hospital and 0.2-0.3% ending up in ICU. NI have had similar case numbers to us in the last few weeks and have nearly the same numbers in ICU.

We don't have access to enough info to judge the hospital situation fully but I get the impression that ICU stays are shorter than March/April, on average. So for the moment if we assume that the 14 day incidence is related to ICU/hospitalisations at any given time, we still have a fair bit of wriggle room. We could probably manage 3-4 times the daily cases but what's interesting in NI, so far, is that they've levelled off in case numbers. It hasn't yet exploded after the initial surge to circa 1000 cases so is there a saturation point or is it too early to tell?
How many tests are they doing daily in NI ? We are up to 19k tests daily now.
No idea. Fair point, could be testing saturation. Something we're going to start to see too. They've already said that they can't test all contacts anymore.
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Young one due to go into hospital tomorrow for operation cancelled earlier in the year because of the big cold. Covid test Friday clear. One of the kids from her pod in school has tested positive and we have just been told no operation. Fück.this.shit
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That's shit ER.

Was she tested for the operation or because of the pod positive?
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Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
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Because of operation. Only found out about pod earlier. There has been such a build up and we had her nicely primed. Fück.it
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https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rev ... 38423.html

So level 4+++++++ as expected.

I'm struggling to see what's not in level 5. Might be leaving training go ahead for kids? But it does seem they just don't want to call it level 5 to avoid the teachers complaining. The unions aren't that stupid though.
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EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Because of operation. Only found out about pod earlier. There has been such a build up and we had her nicely primed. Fück.it
Really, really shit. I feel for you.
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Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
What was the basis of their defence?
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OK, looked again and yeah there's a fair few differences between 4 and 5 that allow businesses to keep going. So they're doing all they can to keep them running.
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CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:35 pm
EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Because of operation. Only found out about pod earlier. There has been such a build up and we had her nicely primed. Fück.it
Really, really shit. I feel for you.
We've copped which family it is. Furrin, don't bother with masks, crazy children, 5 of them in our other kids primary school. Excellent
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EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:35 pm
EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Because of operation. Only found out about pod earlier. There has been such a build up and we had her nicely primed. Fück.it
Really, really shit. I feel for you.
We've copped which family it is. Furrin, don't bother with masks, crazy children, 5 of them in our other kids primary school. Excellent
:( :x
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Interesting column from Chris Johns in the IT.

Basically says that "lockdown" doesn't matter a damn without a proper track, trace and isolate regime.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4384086
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
What was the basis of their defence?
That she doesn’t have enough information to make a decision. The Manuel from Fawlty Towers gambit.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:55 pm Interesting column from Chris Johns in the IT.

Basically says that "lockdown" doesn't matter a damn without a proper track, trace and isolate regime.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4384086
I heard of a person who was a close contact and didn't get a call for 6 days. I thought that sounded fanciful but apparently it's true
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EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:24 pm Young one due to go into hospital tomorrow for operation cancelled earlier in the year because of the big cold. Covid test Friday clear. One of the kids from her pod in school has tested positive and we have just been told no operation. Fück.this.shit
Shit one. This shit is jeopardising the health of young people - it’s part of what we were trying to warn people about the cost of lockdown. You solve one problem but you make a bigger problem down the road
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Of course it isn't sustainable. Canceling operations when people have been near somebody with a bad cold.
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Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:55 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
What was the basis of their defence?
That she doesn’t have enough information to make a decision. The Manuel from Fawlty Towers gambit.
She cam rung her number two cant she? The co prime minister of NI
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Mullet 2 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:17 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:55 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
What was the basis of their defence?
That she doesn’t have enough information to make a decision. The Manuel from Fawlty Towers gambit.
She cam rung her number two cant she? The co prime minister of NI
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Mullet 2 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:17 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:55 pm
Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
What was the basis of their defence?
That she doesn’t have enough information to make a decision. The Manuel from Fawlty Towers gambit.
She cam rung her number two cant she? The co prime minister of NI
Tweedledumb and tweedledumber
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Gauss wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm Mary Lou getting an awful kicking on Twitter last night. One of the Examiner journos jumping to her defence. Smells a press secretary job no doubt :lol:
What was the basis of their defence?
From the Examiner journalist? Said she wouldn't have been privvy to all the data the cabinet were, but then injected his own opinion into it by saying it was reasonable enough that she couldn't make a call on it. It honestly might as well have been from the SF press office.

It's somewhat heartening to see the reaction to her though, the strategy is very clearly wait to see what the govt do, then claim in outraged tones they'd have done the opposite.
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Ah here now she has to self isolate for 14 days even with a negative test and the whole of the pre-school is shut for two weeks as some of the minders are close contacts and they don't have enough of them now for the minder kid ratio :lol:
This winter is going to be an utter shit show. They will rue the day they listened to public health dudes. They will be like lepers in future fairy tales
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Bit of a jump in Dublin there. Hopefully not a sign of more to come.
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EverReady wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:22 pm Ah here now she has to self isolate for 14 days even with a negative test and the whole of the pre-school is shut for two weeks as some of the minders are close contacts and they don't have enough of them now for the minder kid ratio :lol:
This winter is going to be an utter shit show. They will rue the day they listened to public health dudes. They will be like lepers in future fairy tales
Yeah, negative test means nothing if you're a close contact. It's really shit.
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14 days from last contact, as far as I remember?
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Pre schools will drop like flies in the coming weeks
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CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:25 pm 14 days from last contact, as far as I remember?
Friday then. Look the other kids in her pod live beside us bar AIDS child so they can play together.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:55 pm Interesting column from Chris Johns in the IT.

Basically says that "lockdown" doesn't matter a damn without a proper track, trace and isolate regime.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4384086
It’s baffling that nobody has been held to account over the tracing fiasco.

The country were told we would be getting South Korea. We got a half assed version.
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CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:35 pm https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rev ... 38423.html

So level 4+++++++ as expected.

I'm struggling to see what's not in level 5. Might be leaving training go ahead for kids? But it does seem they just don't want to call it level 5 to avoid the teachers complaining. The unions aren't that stupid though.
The number of people on hospital trolleys at present is not far off a normal October, they were told..
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:11 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:35 pm https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rev ... 38423.html

So level 4+++++++ as expected.

I'm struggling to see what's not in level 5. Might be leaving training go ahead for kids? But it does seem they just don't want to call it level 5 to avoid the teachers complaining. The unions aren't that stupid though.
The number of people on hospital trolleys at present is not far off a normal October, they were told..
It's also nonsense as exactly like the last time Brigid is going to get onto Joe and say 'Its a bleedin deeesgrace Joe my Tom works on the building sites and their is no social distancingcing and they all have the Covid and one lad actually nearly died and....'
And Joe will hammer it with some thick journos until the sites are closed
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:11 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:35 pm https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rev ... 38423.html

So level 4+++++++ as expected.

I'm struggling to see what's not in level 5. Might be leaving training go ahead for kids? But it does seem they just don't want to call it level 5 to avoid the teachers complaining. The unions aren't that stupid though.
The number of people on hospital trolleys at present is not far off a normal October, they were told..
We have between 120 and 240 persons daily on A&E trolleys through the winter generally ... :uhoh:
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