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de_Selby wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:45 pm

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:10 pm There was a good piece in the FT the other day about the problem with twitter and similar social media (I think that would include reddit) is that the demographics tilt it massively in favour of students and middle-class people who aren't rich yet.

You have a preponderance of people in their 20s who do not earn much money and therefore favour large amounts of state handouts to subsidise their lifestyles.

The FT made the point that there is very little support, indeed, vague hostility is more likely for certain groups, such as white working-class males even though they are objectively more in need of state support than some bird who is studying to be a nurse.

There was a great piece in the IT a while back talking about the modern shift towards jobs that have high social capital but low income on a similar line. Middle-class kids open up bars, restaurants, etc, or become "creatives" and demand to be subsidised at a middle-class level. Meanwhile, they would never go into a job with low social-capital but high-income such as a trade.

I blame educate together schools.

It's not a new phenomenon, but yeah the demographics of social media definitely skews opinions and makes everyone think they are in the majority.
I'm reading Night watch at the moment, and Vimes has good bit where he's thinking about the revolutionaries

There were plotters, there was no doubt about it. Some had been ordinary people who'd had enough. Some were young people with no money who objected to the fact that the world was run by old people who were rich. Some were in it to get girls. And some had been idiots as mad as Swing, with a view of the world just as rigid and unreal, who were on the side of what they called 'the people'. Vimes had spent his life on the streets, and had met decent men and fools and people who'd steal a penny from a blind beggar and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he'd never met The People.

Gauss wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:20 pm

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:10 pm There was a good piece in the FT the other day about the problem with twitter and similar social media (I think that would include reddit) is that the demographics tilt it massively in favour of students and middle-class people who aren't rich yet.

You have a preponderance of people in their 20s who do not earn much money and therefore favour large amounts of state handouts to subsidise their lifestyles.

The FT made the point that there is very little support, indeed, vague hostility is more likely for certain groups, such as white working-class males even though they are objectively more in need of state support than some bird who is studying to be a nurse.

There was a great piece in the IT a while back talking about the modern shift towards jobs that have high social capital but low income on a similar line. Middle-class kids open up bars, restaurants, etc, or become "creatives" and demand to be subsidised at a middle-class level. Meanwhile, they would never go into a job with low social-capital but high-income such as a trade.

I blame educate together schools.

Don’t suppose you have a link handy for the FT piece?

de_Selby wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:45 pmI'm reading Night watch at the moment, and Vimes has good bit where he's thinking about the revolutionaries

There were plotters, there was no doubt about it. Some had been ordinary people who'd had enough. Some were young people with no money who objected to the fact that the world was run by old people who were rich. Some were in it to get girls. And some had been idiots as mad as Swing, with a view of the world just as rigid and unreal, who were on the side of what they called 'the people'. Vimes had spent his life on the streets, and had met decent men and fools and people who'd steal a penny from a blind beggar and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he'd never met The People.

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:13 pm

Gauss wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:20 pm

anonymous_joe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:10 pm There was a good piece in the FT the other day about the problem with twitter and similar social media (I think that would include reddit) is that the demographics tilt it massively in favour of students and middle-class people who aren't rich yet.

You have a preponderance of people in their 20s who do not earn much money and therefore favour large amounts of state handouts to subsidise their lifestyles.

The FT made the point that there is very little support, indeed, vague hostility is more likely for certain groups, such as white working-class males even though they are objectively more in need of state support than some bird who is studying to be a nurse.

There was a great piece in the IT a while back talking about the modern shift towards jobs that have high social capital but low income on a similar line. Middle-class kids open up bars, restaurants, etc, or become "creatives" and demand to be subsidised at a middle-class level. Meanwhile, they would never go into a job with low social-capital but high-income such as a trade.

I blame educate together schools.

Don’t suppose you have a link handy for the FT piece?

https://www.ft.com/content/dfbe59dd-cc7 ... 1a734350ca

de_Selby wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:28 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 pm Pratchett was so brilliant at conveying all the different problems of society without preaching.

Yep it's hilarious but there are some great observations in there and the politics is pretty accurate!

“Vimes had once discussed the Ephebian idea of ‘democracy’ with Carrot, and had been rather interested in the idea that everyone had a vote until he found out that while he, Vimes, would have a vote, there was no way in the rules that anyone could prevent Nobby Nobbs from having one as well. Vimes could see the flaw there straight away.”

Floppykid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:50 pm https://twitter.com/therealtedno1/statu ... 6021497856

"Hammer and Thong"

EverReady wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:45 pm Oul codgers like myself can join the Gardai and limp around the flats after young lads

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/ban- ... d-unlawful

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:26 pm

EverReady wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:45 pm Oul codgers like myself can join the Gardai and limp around the flats after young lads

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/ban- ... d-unlawful

Automatic shotguns.

"Slugs" Camroc would brook no shite, and would clean up the inner city.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:26 pm

EverReady wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:45 pm Oul codgers like myself can join the Gardai and limp around the flats after young lads

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/ban- ... d-unlawful

Automatic shotguns.

"Slugs" Camroc would brook no shite, and would clean up the inner city.

normilet wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:20 pm

de_Selby wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:28 pm

CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 pm Pratchett was so brilliant at conveying all the different problems of society without preaching.

Yep it's hilarious but there are some great observations in there and the politics is pretty accurate!

Whenever I read through Journal comments, this one springs to mind:

“Vimes had once discussed the Ephebian idea of ‘democracy’ with Carrot, and had been rather interested in the idea that everyone had a vote until he found out that while he, Vimes, would have a vote, there was no way in the rules that anyone could prevent Nobby Nobbs from having one as well. Vimes could see the flaw there straight away.”

Nolanator wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:15 pm I can't find the passage from Interesting TImes, but it boils down to the Red Army trying to start a revolution for the good of the common people and being utterly convinced in their earnest wide-eyed naivety that they know what's needed after the Empire has been overthrown.
Eventually Rincewind stops a peasant who's keeping an eye on his water buffalo (tethered by a piece of string) what he really, really wants in life.
The guy thinks hard on it for a few minutes and then says that a longer piece of string would be nice.

Nolanator wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:15 pm I can't find the passage from Interesting TImes, but it boils down to the Red Army trying to start a revolution for the good of the common people and being utterly convinced in their earnest wide-eyed naivety that they know what's needed after the Empire has been overthrown.
Eventually Rincewind stops a peasant who's keeping an eye on his water buffalo (tethered by a piece of string) what he really, really wants in life.
The guy thinks hard on it for a few minutes and then says that a longer piece of string would be nice.

"You see those armies over there?" he said.

The buffalo holder concentrated his gaze.

"Yes," he decided.

"They're fighting for you."

The man did not appear moved by this. The water buffalo burped gently.

"Some want to see you enslaved and some want you to run the country, or at least to let them run the country while telling you it's you doing it really," said Rincewind. "There's going to be a terrible battle. I can't help wondering...What do you want?"

The buffalo holder absorbed this one for consideration, too. And it seemed to Rincewind that the slowness of the thought process wasn't due to native stupidity, but more to do with the sheer size of the question. He could feel it spreading out so that it incorporated the soil and the grass and the sun and headed on out into the universe.

Finally the man said:

"A longer piece of string would be nice."

"Ah. Really? Well, well. There's a thing," said Rincewind. "Talking to you has been an education. Goodbye."

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:10 am

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:07 am The Journal is now a full on SF propaganda wing ala Fox.

Ah no. Hasn't been for ages. They've probably got more critical SF articles than anywhere else.

Bullshit.

Their reporting on the nursing stunt is a disgrace

Zico wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:00 pm I hear Darndale is kicking off again.

Absolute scum. Move the trouble makers out to Leitrim.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pm

Zico wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:00 pm I hear Darndale is kicking off again.

Absolute scum. Move the trouble makers out to Leitrim.

?

Zico wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:10 pm

Floppykid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pm

Zico wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:00 pm I hear Darndale is kicking off again.

Absolute scum. Move the trouble makers out to Leitrim.

?

1) Government investment in a deprived area
2) Dispersing scumbags, breaking the cycle for the next gen
3) Repopulating Leitrim
4) Justifying manned rural Garda stations

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:15 pm 6 deaths, 265 cases.

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:30 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:15 pm 6 deaths, 265 cases.

"Have your fun tonight but Buzz Killington will be here tomorrow to read out the inflated figures with the unreported case and tell you all you've been naughty boys and girls"

Floppykid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:12 pm
No I mean, in what way is it kicking off? (when's it not?)

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:34 pm

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:30 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:15 pm 6 deaths, 265 cases.

"Have your fun tonight but Buzz Killington will be here tomorrow to read out the inflated figures with the unreported case and tell you all you've been naughty boys and girls"

You have to ask yourself, did you just have that one drink too many?

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:30 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:15 pm 6 deaths, 265 cases.

"Have your fun tonight but Buzz Killington will be here tomorrow to read out the inflated figures with the unreported case and tell you all you've been naughty boys and girls"

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:29 pm That was grim viewing. Primetime and slum landlords.

16 in an apartment. That's outrageous.

All seemed to be Brazilians and Venezuelans. 200-300 a month for a bed. One toilet shared amongst the 16

I rented in University back in 2000 and it was 6 in a 3 bed house and that seemed congested at the time.

danthefan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:27 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:29 pm That was grim viewing. Primetime and slum landlords.

16 in an apartment. That's outrageous.

All seemed to be Brazilians and Venezuelans. 200-300 a month for a bed. One toilet shared amongst the 16

I rented in University back in 2000 and it was 6 in a 3 bed house and that seemed congested at the time.

Back when I was house hunting I went to a viewing, which I didn't know this in advance, but there were about 15-20 people living in the place crammed into every corner. No living space left at all, fridge and hotplate in every room, it was like something out of The Wire.

danthefan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:27 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:29 pm That was grim viewing. Primetime and slum landlords.

16 in an apartment. That's outrageous.

All seemed to be Brazilians and Venezuelans. 200-300 a month for a bed. One toilet shared amongst the 16

I rented in University back in 2000 and it was 6 in a 3 bed house and that seemed congested at the time.

Back when I was house hunting I went to a viewing, which I didn't know this in advance, but there were about 15-20 people living in the place crammed into every corner. No living space left at all, fridge and hotplate in every room, it was like something out of The Wire.

“He came to my house and I was upstairs in the middle of a lecture,” she said. Her parents answered the door and she said he told her parents “that he got a phone call from head office about my tweet and I can’t be criticising the party especially as a member and a PRO [public relations officer], I can’t be criticising the party online. He wanted me to delete my tweets immediately and contact him.”

Leinsterman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:41 pm "Don't drink and drive but if you insist, remember the rule ... not more than two!"

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:52 pm The Shinners are at it again.

“He came to my house and I was upstairs in the middle of a lecture,” she said. Her parents answered the door and she said he told her parents “that he got a phone call from head office about my tweet and I can’t be criticising the party especially as a member and a PRO [public relations officer], I can’t be criticising the party online. He wanted me to delete my tweets immediately and contact him.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4427938

I wonder did he bring a balaclava.

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:52 pm The Shinners are at it again.

“He came to my house and I was upstairs in the middle of a lecture,” she said. Her parents answered the door and she said he told her parents “that he got a phone call from head office about my tweet and I can’t be criticising the party especially as a member and a PRO [public relations officer], I can’t be criticising the party online. He wanted me to delete my tweets immediately and contact him.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4427938

I wonder did he bring a balaclava.

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:26 pm https://www.breakingnews.ie/uncategoriz ... 46496.html

Great to see a politician finally suing these cúnts. Rising above it doesnt work.

As said previously and as highlighted now clearly by Brexit and Trump people on here who called those of us who could see the writing is in the wall for unregulated social media fools are going to look silly in years to come.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:25 pm

camroc1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:52 pm The Shinners are at it again.

“He came to my house and I was upstairs in the middle of a lecture,” she said. Her parents answered the door and she said he told her parents “that he got a phone call from head office about my tweet and I can’t be criticising the party especially as a member and a PRO [public relations officer], I can’t be criticising the party online. He wanted me to delete my tweets immediately and contact him.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4427938

I wonder did he bring a balaclava.

Reminder of the kind of party they are for the Zoomers.