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Beautiful!
Mazda has a lovely concept EV with a tiny vertically mounted rotary engine as a range extender ...

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Link to article with large version of image and 3 others.


Claims:
o 20 kWh battery good for 200 km battery-only range
o engine + 9 litre fuel tank fits under boot, weighs 100 kg and is same size as a regular fuel tank on its own
o only 15 g/km CO2 emissions (C.f. nearly 100 g/km for a Prius - do they really mean that? Presumably with renewable electricity generation?)


Perhaps the next best thing to a pure EV?
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slow wing wrote:Beautiful!
Mazda has a lovely concept EV with a tiny vertically mounted rotary engine as a range extender ...

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Link to article with large version of image and 3 others.


Claims:
o 20 kWh battery good for 200 km battery-only range
o engine + 9 litre fuel tank fits under boot, weighs 100 kg and is same size as a regular fuel tank on its own
o only 15 g/km CO2 emissions (C.f. nearly 100 g/km for a Prius - do they really mean that? Presumably with renewable electricity generation?)


Perhaps the next best thing to a pure EV?
An excellent idea using the very small and light rotary as a range extender.
While generally not as efficient as conventional piston engines, given that most motoring would be electric only, on average the weight saved would reduce consumption more than the lower efficiency would raise it.
An idea whether it is a constant speed generator?
A motor designed to run at a single speed and load should be able to be made more efficient and simpler than one exoected to operate over a wide range of conditions.
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When will Mazda ever give up on the rotary engine? They've never yet made one that's comparable to a conventional piston engine in terms of efficiency and durability.

Stick an up to date diesel in it and it might sail, friggin rotary is doomed from the get go.
on average the weight saved would reduce consumption more than the lower efficiency would raise it
I very much doubt it...
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gokwe wrote:When will Mazda ever give up on the rotary engine? They've never yet made one that's comparable to a conventional piston engine in terms of efficiency and durability.

Stick an up to date diesel in it and it might sail, friggin rotary is doomed from the get go.
on average the weight saved would reduce consumption more than the lower efficiency would raise it
I very much doubt it...
I'd bet that 90% of distance is covered in pure electric mode.
In these (normal) circumstances the efficiency if the ICE is not important, but its weight most certainly is.

I stand by original guess until someone can show figures that suggest the ICE will be used often.
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To hear Mazda, this is the ideal niche for the rotary engine and gets around all of its previous shortcomings by running it as a generator at constant revs. (Only about 2000 rpm iirc.) They claim it is comparatively efficient to a piston engine in the same role - while having a big advantage in smaller size and weight - and also no longer has issues with excessive oil use or excessive wear on the sealing blades.


I think the future is pure electric but have always had a soft spot for the wankel engine and so want to believe that this is their best application and is the next best design to having a pure electric.
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Tesla gossip, 1 of 2: They are thinking of setting up a massive factory for the production of their lithium ion cells.

Elon Musk says Tesla production is limited, not by demand, nor by the supply of raw lithium, but instead by the supply of the cells. Tesla's electric car plans alone call for approximately doubling of world production of Li-ion cells already within the next 3-4 years. At the moment they get them from Panasonic and are negotiating contracts with other vendors.


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But Musk likes to be in control of his own destiny so I predict he will set up and build his own factory... :thumbup:
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Tesla gossip, 2 of 2: They will unveil their mass production car in only 13 months from now. :thumbup:


Tesla chief designer Franz von Holzhausen told Autobild that they are aiming for the Detroit Motor Show of January 2015.
Tesla Model E to Be Unveiled at 2015 Detroit Auto Show - autoevolution.com
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RIP my internal combustion engine. Headgasket went pop today. :frown:
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Mitsubishi is introducing a plug-in hybrid SUV that is impressive in several respects, not least that in NZ it will cost less than a Prius...
Electric Mitsubishi SUV a game-changer
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Last updated 07:55 18/12/2013



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Mitsubishi's electric Outlander PHEV.
Fairfax NZ


I've never before driven a full-sized all-wheel drive SUV that boasts an average fuel consumption of just 1.9 litres per 100 kilometres. That's 149 miles per gallon - a remarkable claim, given that this vehicle is a full- blown offroad-capable machine weighing in at more than 1800kg.

The vehicle is the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, scheduled to arrive in New Zealand in April. ...

AT A GLANCE
Powertrain: High-capacity under-floor battery powering front and rear electric motors, plus a 2.0-litre four cylinder Mivec petrol engine.
Output: Front electric motor 60kW and 137Nm, rear electric motor 60kW and 195Nm. Petrol engine 89kW at 4500rpm. Average fuel consumption 1.9 L/100km, exhaust emissions 44g/km CO2.
Chassis: Electronically controlled twin motor all-wheel drive with yaw control system. MacPherson strut front suspension, multi-link setup at the rear. Electronic power steering.
Safety: Not known, but expect full range of electronic handling and safety aids. Has been awarded five-star NCAP safety rating.
Dimensions: L 4655mm, W 1800mm, H 1680mm, W/base 2670mm.
Prices: XLS NZ$59,990, VRX NZ$66,990.
Hot: Brilliant use of new-age electronic technologies, plenty of power and instant torque, sound ride and handling.
Not: Under-floor battery storage means this Outlander can only be a five-seater.
Verdict: There's no reason why there can't be instant acceptance of this Outlander PHEV, both by traditional SUV buyers and the so-called early adopters.
Link - Stuff
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You so miss the point slowly.
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Merry Christmas Slowy :P
AZC wrote:What California says about zero-emission vehicles, and why Tesla is committing fraud

The fundamental reason this blog exists is to tell the world about the fraud Tesla is committing. This has resulted in tens of millions dollars' worth of fraudulent carbon credits being received by the company, and if nothing is done the tally will get into the hundreds of millions. This blog exists not to tell people about EV incentives, but about the illegal incentives a particular EV company is getting.
...
In June, after weeks of teasing, Tesla demonstrated the 90-second, fully automated battery swap in public. It was their biggest event this year. Or ever: I can't remember any other Tesla event with such a level of media coverage.

And guess what, the company brought its own cars and didn't let anybody near them. The official video doesn't even show what's happening under the car.

By August, Tesla forum users were openly calling the feature a stunt. You see, some Model S owners have already put their battery warranties to use, and the battery change takes three or four hours, and a few workers. It's impossible to automate it, let alone to do so in 90 seconds. This somehow went unnoticed for the Internet
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The bottom line is that ZEV credits are a key source of "revenue" for Tesla. Pure profit, in fact. And they will remain so for the foreseeable future.

So here we are, fifteen months after Tesla started getting carbon credits for the battery swap. The company has already cashed out, probably for more than $60 million. Without building a single swap station, or demonstrating the feature in consumer cars, or bothering to provide any sort of explanation.
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The question is, how could a scam so brazen go unnoticed for so long? I think other car makers probably don't want to get into trouble with California officials. So they've been lobbying to put an end to the special treatment Tesla gets, but they haven't publicly denounced the situation or filed a lawsuit.

And for industry outsiders, well, the idea that the whole battery swap thing could be a fake is just surreal. How could Tesla sink that low?

The Tesla battery swap is the hoax of the year.
Donna wrote:In California, low-income car buyers are subsidizing the top 1% of earners who purchase Tesla electric vehicles.

The short version is that California is awarding Tesla carbon credits, which the automaker then sells to other (allegedly less green) auto companies for cash.

According to Zaragoza Comendador’s calculations, approximately 40% of the credits being collected by Tesla in that state (an estimated $55 million worth) is for a feature that doesn’t actually exist.
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Back in June, Tesla attracted heaps of media attention with its announcement that it plans to make 90-second battery swaps available at its service stations. By the end of October, Zaragoza Comendador was reporting:

there are exactly zero stations where you can do a battery swap, and Tesla has been getting battery credits for a year [italics in original]

But it’s much worse than that. Apparently it isn’t possible to swap batteries quickly on the cars Tesla has manufactured to date. This has led to accusations that the cars used in its June live demo and a flashy video were modified beforehand. Zaragoza Comendador invites us to visit an online forum, where Tesla owners who’ve experienced a real-life battery swap recount their experiences: Here’s one, dated August 31st:

My battery swap happened this week in Rockville. My [Model S] 85′s battery went bad in the parking lot at Rockville while waiting for other scheduled service, so they had to replace it. The job took 3 hours of mechanic labor, and 7600 units of ethylene glycol, three seals, two dozen bolts, and a replacement cover (I am looking at the 9-page repair order as I write this). When we asked the service tech about why it took so long since they are designed for swapping (we already knew better), he just laughed.
Oh dear, Tesla have received California tax payer funded carbon credits for every model S sold in the state for a feature which is vapourware...

Good to see that Californians share he burden of funding rich people's folly of buying from snake oil salesman :nod:
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Ahhhh, Fat Albert with another devastating blow against all that is evil and corrupt in the world. Where would we be without him?
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http://www.detroit-electric.com/models.php

That there is the business.
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It looks great, Sorc. But it is still just vapourware and the odds are stacked against it succeeding.
August 29, 2013, 3:40 pm Comment
Detroit Electric Pushes the Pause Button
By JIM MOTAVALLI


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The Detroit Electric SP:01 roadster.
The reborn Detroit Electric definitely has one thing in common with the original company, which went out of business in 1939 — it ran into problems trying to sell battery-powered vehicles. Detroit Electric is the latest in a long series of companies to have had difficulty realizing big dreams in the electric marketplace.

According to statements the company made earlier, Detroit Electric was to have employed more than 100 workers at a Michigan factory, with the capacity to make 2,500 cars a year. But recent reports by The Detroit News and the Web site The Truth About Cars said that the company still had not signed a lease for the factory and that the office the company was to occupy in the Fisher Building in Detroit was empty, with a few Detroit Electric signs scattered here and there.

Don Graunstadt, the company’s North American president, said in a news release on Thursday that, with more than 60 orders in hand from customers in Europe and Asia, the company would instead first focus overseas and produce cars this year at an existing plant in the Netherlands.

In the release, the company said it had faced “some operational headwinds” and was working to achieve a federal safety certification that would enable “the start of production and sales within the U.S. market.”

Albert Lam, group chief executive of Detroit Electric, said in the release: “We are Detroit Electric, not London Electric; our commitment to the city of Detroit, the state of Michigan and the United States is as strong as it ever was. While there have been some delays in our plan to start production in Detroit, many vehicle programs experience some form of delay.”

Detroit Electric plans to produce the SP:01 sports car, which the company originally said was to have gone into production in August. The car was priced at $135,000, and like the discontinued Tesla Roadster, is based on the Lotus Elise.
According to statements the company made earlier, its plans were to produce 999 SP:01s, with other models to follow. In April the company also announced a partnership with Geely Automobile Holdings to develop electric cars for the Chinese market.

In its release, the company acknowledged the need for further development of the aerodynamics needed to achieve the performance the company had promised that the SP:01 would deliver. The car was designed to be fast and attractive, capable of hitting a top speed of 155 miles per hour and going from zero to 62 m.p.h. in 3.7 seconds.

“It’s an oddball business model,” Sam Jaffe, a senior research analyst at Navigant Research, said in a telephone interview. “There are plenty of other choices in that price range that would make a lot more sense for people to buy from established automakers. And it’s incredibly difficult to make something as complicated as a car — you need to work with a mind-boggling network of people, including suppliers, customers and dealer networks. I would say it was impossible for a start-up to do it, but Tesla has proven me wrong.”

Philip Gott, a senior director of long-range planning for IHS Automotive, said there were easier things than starting a car company.

“The car is the least difficult part of it,” he said in a telephone interview. “Most start-ups have dreams of building vehicles in large numbers, but to do that you need mass-market appeal, national service and support, with pockets deep enough to support warranty claims, parts availability and mechanics who know what they’re doing.”
Link - NY Times blog
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Season's greetings, FA. :)

Your investigative journalism has convinced me and it was the last sentence that tipped it: "the service tech ... just laughed."

The only possible legal defence for Tesla that I can think of would be if the service tech was a jolly sort of fellow.
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Tesla branches out: its batteries now starting to be used for stationary energy storage in homes with solar collectors...

SolarCity chief executive Lyndon Rive wrote:Our business model is to become the energy company of the 21st century
Link: How Tesla Batteries Are Powering an Energy Revolution - mashable.com





Recall that SolarCity solar panels are already being used at Tesla supercharging stations...

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Why the close cooperation? Simple: Tesla CEO = SolarCity Chairman = Elon Musk.

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Just read this morning that Tesla "mass market" Model E launch was postponed until 2015 and they'll sell a SUV instead in 2014.
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EDIT TO RESPOND: Odval, yes, it has recently come out that Tesla aims to show a prototype Model E at the Detroit Motor Show of January 2015 - just over a year from now. Elon Musk has made a range of comments on when the Model E will come to market - the most optimistic I have seen, from February 2012, was for deliveries in 2015 and I posted it on page 4 of this thread. The SUV - the Model X - has definitely been delayed as they were hoping to have it out by this year, 2013 - see the OP and first pages of this thread.






Before Elon Musk, Tesla was co-founded by Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard.

Marc Tarpenning speaks about co-founding Tesla Motors - YouTube, 1h10m44s.


This clip has fascinating insights, interesting anecdotes and answers questions such as:
Why are battery electric vehicles (BEVs) the obvious future for cars?
How did Toyota completely miss predicting the Prius market segment?
How quickly will batteries improve?
How quickly/slowly will the big car companies catch up with Tesla? And why?



Oh and Tesla had to tell Panasonic and the other lithium ion battery companies to lift their sales aspirations by a thousand fold and to start thinking about serving a trillion dollar annual market... :lol: :shock:


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Consumer Reports, after putting 11,380 miles on the Tesla they are testing...

Update: Tesla Model S, One Year On (includes video)

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Do you think they still like it?



Consumer Reports, in their introduction to the video, said rather than wrote:We have been testing cars at Consumer Reports for a very long time. But we've never seen anything quite like the Tesla Model S. This car performs better than anything we have ever tested before. Let me repeat that. Not just the best electric car, but the best car.
:thumbup: :thumbup:


And in the article, wrote:Adding to the accolades, it got highest-ever marks in owner satisfaction in our latest annual auto survey
:thumbup: :thumbup:
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Some electric food for thought:

Refill the battery with charged electrolyte:
This is coming closer and will remove some of the range anxiety issues (as range anxiety is mostly related to the inconvenience of a recharge measured in hours)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 135506.htm


Vehicles powered/recharged inductively from the road:
This has always fascinated me.
Is there an optimal solution where we can be happy with very small batteries backed up by continuous recharging when on main roads.?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 132338.htm

This idea seems to be best for buses and taxis.
I also see the distinction between buses and trains dissolving in the near future. There is no reason a train corridor could not also act as a busway where it is wide enough and we got some 21st century signalling systems.
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Elon Musk has just re-tweeted this...
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slow wing wrote:Merlin, the range anxiety issue is reducing as charging gets faster and networks of fast charging stations spring up. Elon Musk has just re-tweeted this...
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Any news in how long it took?
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The Man Without Fear wrote:Ahhhh, Fat Albert with another devastating blow against all that is evil and corrupt in the world. Where would we be without him?

I will be interested to see if he knows of any new technologies and life changing innovations that have NOT received massive government subsidies and tax breaks and grants over time.

perhaps sliced bread?

everything we do here in the US is controlled, or was, by massive subsidies or financial breaks.

what we eat.

the wages paid to WalMart employees.

auto manufacturing.

public transport.

I could go on.
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Donger wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:Ahhhh, Fat Albert with another devastating blow against all that is evil and corrupt in the world. Where would we be without him?

I will be interested to see if he knows of any new technologies and life changing innovations that have NOT received massive government subsidies and tax breaks and grants over time.

perhaps sliced bread?

everything we do here in the US is controlled, or was, by massive subsidies or financial breaks.

what we eat.

the wages paid to WalMart employees.

auto manufacturing.

public transport.

I could go on.
Oil & gas.
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slow wing wrote:Elon Musk has just re-tweeted this...
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What's happened to the back of the car? Looks like blood on the licence plate! :shock:
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Look at the gleam in their eco-loon eyes. The body in the trunk is an old lady they MURDERED, probably using SOLAR POWER to burn her to death, then chopped up the body with a WIND TURBINE.
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Probably drowned her in all the excess oil they failed to burn. Disgusting...
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Bimboman, they drove the 3,600 miles in 6 days.
Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA): First cross-country road trip is completed

On January 20th, John (62) and his daughter Jill (26) left the JFK Tesla Motors Inc (NASDAQ:TSLA) Supercharger in New York City to head on the first cross-country journey in a Model S. The journey was finished at the Hawthorne, California Supercharger. Over 3,600 miles were driven and the total “fuel” cost for the drive was $0 because they used Superchargers the whole way.


John and Jill also drove through extremely cold temperatures, which is another testament of the Model S. In one of the cities and they drove through, the temperature was -22 Fahrenheit.

“NYC to LAX=3,619.1 miles and consumed 1,366.3kWh or 378Wh/mile”

The trip passed without incident except for a deranged gentleman, identified only as 'Fat Albert', who battered himself repeatedly against the back of the car at the Macedonia, OH Supercharging station yelling "Eco-loons! Disingenuous! My blood for oil!"

Jill is going to fly back to New Jersey for work and John is going to visit Tesla Motors in Fremont. They stopped at 28 Superchargers along the way. Here is the list of them as compiled by Inside EVs:
JFK, NY
Newark, DE
Somerset, PA
Macedonia, OH
Maumee, OH
Mishawaka, IN
Highland Park, IL
Madison, WI
Onalaska/La Crosse, WI
Mauston, WI
Albert Lea, MN
Worthington, MN
Mitchell, SD
Murdo, SD
Rapid City, SD
Lusk, WY
Cheyene, WY
Silverthorne, CO
Glenwood Springs, CO
Grand Junction, CO
Blanding, Utah
Moab, Utah
Farmington, NM
Gallup, NM
Flagstaff, AZ
Kingman, AZ
Barstow, CA
Hawthorne, CA
Link.


Here's a close-up of the lovely Jill for the benefit of TMWF:

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This is the current status of the Supercharger network in the US...

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And in Europe...

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Not strange at all...


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This Special 100,000th LEAF Sold In The UK Has 50,000 2p and 50,000 Two Cent Euro Coins On It!
Link: Nissan Sells 100,000 LEAFs, Captures 48% Of Worldwide Market To Date


But 100,000 cars sold is not too shabby for the Nissan Leaf. Just over 200,000 EVs sold world-wide since 2010.
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Tesla CEO, in a tweet, wrote:Elon Musk @elonmusk 10h

Tesla LA to NY Supercharger rally just completed in 76 hours across northern route in dead of winter thru heavy snow!
:thumbup: :thumbup:


That's 3400 miles in a little over 3 days, showing that EVs are essentially equivalent to ICE vehicles for trips once the high speed charging network is in place.
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Tesla's share price set a new record today, briefly jumping over $200 for the first time... :thumbup:

Koenigsegg Founder Buys Tesla Model S, Says It's More Fun To Drive Than An M5
BY Viknesh Vijayenthiran VIKNESH VIJAYENTHIRAN
02/11/2014



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Christian von Koenigsegg

Koenigsegg founder Christian von Koenigsegg has revealed he’s a huge fan of electric cars, and that he sees the zero-emission vehicles becoming a dominant form of transport by 2020. Koenigsegg, for those unfamiliar with the Swedish brand, is a manufacturer of some of the world’s fastest supercars, so to learn that its founder thinks electric cars is the future may come as bit of a surprise.

But then again, it shouldn’t come as that much of a surprise as several years ago Koenigsegg partnered with a startup company in an attempt to launch a new electric sports sedan. Later, Koenigsegg attempted to take control of fellow Swedish automaker Saab in order to build electric cars, something that Saab’s current owner NEVS plans as well.

However, probably the biggest indicator that Koenigsegg's founder is keen on electric cars is the fact that he recently took delivery of a Tesla Model S in his native Sweden, a car he ordered more than 18 months ago. He revealed the information to the Tesla Club Sweden (via Auto Motor and Sport) during a recent electric car conference in the Swedish town of Helsingborg.

He reportedly said that there was no better car than the Tesla Model S in its price range and that it was very affordable given its performance. He is also claimed to have said that one of the best sports sedans on the market, the BMW M5, accelerates slower, handles poorer and isn’t as fun to drive as the Model S.

He doesn’t see the internal combustion engine disappearing anytime soon, however. He still sees them being useful for super sports car applications and becoming an enthusiast option in the future.
Link: motorauthority.com
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$251.94 (click on number for update)
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slow wing wrote:$191.20 (click on number for update)
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slow wing on 08 Aug 2013 wrote: $153.06 (click on number for update)
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slow wing on 28 May 2013 wrote:$111.80 (click on number for update)
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Can we perhaps have a show of hands: how many boredies have been following my advice on here and are well on their way to becoming Tesla-aires? Well done to you all!

:thumbup: :thumbup:
Tesla has just reported a narrow loss for the 2nd quarter, or a small profit if one-off costs are subtracted.
This is impressive, as they are gearing up for Model S sales to Europe and Asia. :thumbup:
It was only two weeks ago that the stock first breached $200. Today's jump was in response to analysts at Morgan Stanley raising their price target on Tesla Motors Inc. to $320 per share from $153.

A year ago, it was at $33.80... :o
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Made some nice cash on this... if it goes below 190 I'm gonna buy me some more shtocks
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TESLA has announced more about its planned 'Giga Factory' that will allow Tesla to manufacture all its own batteries and to quickly bring down the cost of lithium ion batteries... :thumbup:

Tesla Motors' Gigafactory to Help Push Out Half Million EVs/Year in 2020

It's being described as about the best new industrial opportunity going in US industry. The $5B factory will be built in one of four South Western states and Tesla is setting up a bidding war between them...

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It will make heavy use of renewable power...

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It will start up operation in 2017 and by 2020 will produce enough batteries for 500,000 Teslas/year and produce more lithium ion cells than are currently produced in total around the world...

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It is envisaged that Tesla will partner with Panasonic and others and that Tesla will kick in $1.8B and Panasonic ~$1.0B.


Analysts are beginning to pick that Tesla will, as well as electric cars, become a big player in grid electricity storage.
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Two news items illustrating the progress of electric cars...


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The Mitsubishi Outlander Plug-in Hybrid has just gone on sale in the UK at the same price as the diesel Outlander. It features a 32.5-mile electric range. Link.





For this year to date, Tesla has sold more Model S electric cars in Norway than all Ford models combined.

The Tesla Model S broke the all-time record for monthly sales by a single model, with 1,493 Model S sedans sold to Norwegians in March 2014.

(Second was the Volkswagen Golf, with 624 deliveries in March. Another electric car was third - the Nissan Leaf.)

Tesla Breaks Norway's All-Time Sales Record - Wall Street Journal
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slow wing wrote: The Tesla Model S broke the all-time record for monthly sales by a single model, with 1,493 Model S sedans sold to Norwegians in March 2014.
Someone finally cracked the obvious with electric cars: build a good-looking car with good range and they'll fly out the showroom. :thumbup:
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Sandstorm wrote:
slow wing wrote: The Tesla Model S broke the all-time record for monthly sales by a single model, with 1,493 Model S sedans sold to Norwegians in March 2014.
Someone finally cracked the obvious with electric cars: build a good-looking car with good range and they'll fly out the showroom. :thumbup:

And of course it's only the OIL rich Norwegians that can afford them.
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Induction

Compression

Combustion

Exhaust


That's life init bro!
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bimboman wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
slow wing wrote: The Tesla Model S broke the all-time record for monthly sales by a single model, with 1,493 Model S sedans sold to Norwegians in March 2014.
Someone finally cracked the obvious with electric cars: build a good-looking car with good range and they'll fly out the showroom. :thumbup:

And of course it's only the OIL rich Norwegians that can afford them.
Won't be long before Kias and Toyoats can do 250 miles on a single charge.
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Sandstorm wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
slow wing wrote: The Tesla Model S broke the all-time record for monthly sales by a single model, with 1,493 Model S sedans sold to Norwegians in March 2014.
Someone finally cracked the obvious with electric cars: build a good-looking car with good range and they'll fly out the showroom. :thumbup:

And of course it's only the OIL rich Norwegians that can afford them.
Won't be long before Kias and Toyoats can do 250 miles on a single charge.

Or blue motion type technology gets the average family car to 100 miles a gallon.
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