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That long term battery lithium growth is dangerous. There are other battery technologies out there with potential to come on line in 2-3 years like Aluminum Oxide. Lithium will be there or there abouts with for 5 years but after that all bets are off.
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I said by lithium or lithium producers 20 pages back. Certainly better than buying tesla.
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I read yesterday that part of VW's USA fine includes $2 billion investment in a non-proprietary network of charge stations. Wired argued that it could actually end up working out well for them in the long run
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Duff Paddy wrote:I read yesterday that part of VW's USA fine includes $2 billion investment in a non-proprietary network of charge stations. Wired argued that it could actually end up working out well for them in the long run

It'll be interesting how far 2bln goes.
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bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:I read yesterday that part of VW's USA fine includes $2 billion investment in a non-proprietary network of charge stations. Wired argued that it could actually end up working out well for them in the long run

It'll be interesting how far 2bln goes.
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/vws-15b-d ... tric-cars/

They reckon ten times bigger than the current market leader chargepoint
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Tesla surpasses Ford as stock rises to record

Published: Apr 3, 2017 4:40 p.m. ET


Tesla now No. 2 U.S. car maker by market value


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ASSIS
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A record run for Tesla Inc. shares Monday tipped the electric-car maker to surpass Ford Motor Co. in market capitalization and become the No. 2 car company in the U.S.

Tesla TSLA, -0.01% stock rose 7.3% to close at a record $298.52. The shares traded as high as $299, establishing a new intraday record as well. The stock was the best-performing on the Nasdaq-100.

The upward march for the stock put Tesla’s market cap around $48.7 billion vs. Ford’s F, -0.17% $44.6 billion. General Motors Co. GM, +0.09% is the largest U.S. car maker by market capitalization, which around $51.2 billion

The surge came after Tesla on Sunday reported preliminary first-quarter deliveries that came in on the higher end of analysts’ expectations, which the market took as a sign the company is on track to launch the Model 3, the company’s mass-market sedan, later this year as expected.

“Smoothness with legacy vehicles will likely allow more focus on a successful launch of the critical Model 3 vehicle later this year,” said Efraim Levy, an analyst with CFRA, in a note. Tesla stock’s “rich valuation” is a concern, he said.

The record run also spurred Tesla CEO Elon Musk to make fun of Tesla short sellers in a tweet:

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Model X deliveries were up 22% from fourth-quarter numbers, demonstrating that Tesla “has fixed many issues related to manufacturing,” analysts at Baird said in a note.

Read more: Why Tesla is getting rid of its cheapest model

Hiccups with the production of the Model X, the second car developed and made by Tesla, plagued the company’s stock when the SUV launched in September 2015, behind schedule.

Tesla has said it expects to deliver 47,000 to 50,000 vehicles in the first half of the year.

The Model 3 is the linchpin of Tesla’s expansion plans, which include producing vehicles at a rate of 500,000 a year by the end of 2018. Tesla hopes to sell the $35,000 car by the end of the year, starting production of the first few around July.

Tesla’s “high-price, high-performance Model S sedan and X SUV have practically been pure-battery EV proofs of concept, while its upcoming Model 3 is rather the car Tesla has been working toward this whole time,” analysts at Guggenheim said in a note.

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla- ... 2017-04-03


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You a proud Tesla owner yet Slowy? And if not why not. Put your money where your mouth is. ;)
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booji boy wrote:You a proud Tesla owner yet Slowy? And if not why not. Put your money where your mouth is. ;)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11616606
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Tesla vehicles brought to New Zealand through Australian dealerships are shipped back to Australia for maintenance work.
Well shucks that seems convenient. :?
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Ford last week, GM today... :smug:
Tesla just became the most valuable carmaker in America
by Danielle Wiener-Bronner @CNNMoneyInvest
April 10, 2017: 1:34 PM ET


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Inside Tesla's enormous battery factory
Tesla has inched ahead of General Motors to become the most valuable car company in America.

The electric-car maker hit a market value of $50.84 billion on Monday, edging past GM (GM) at $50.79 billion.

It's another milestone for Tesla (TSLA), which passed Ford (F), valued at about $45 billion, last week. And Tesla is inching closer to Japan's Honda (HMC), which has a market value of about $54 billion. Toyota, the most valuable car company in the world, is three times as big.

Tesla loses money, and it sells a small fraction of the cars of its much older competitors. Tesla sold about 25,000 of its Model S and Model X cars in the first three months of the year, compared with 690,000 cars and trucks for GM and 617,000 for Ford.

Rebecca Lindland, executive analyst at Kelley Blue Book, says Tesla is being treated differently than other carmakers. "They're classified as a tech company," she told CNNMoney, "so they're not really held to the same standards."

She adds that while Wall Street focuses on more traditional criteria -- like profitability -- for established companies like Ford and GM, "Tesla kind of gets a free pass."
Lindland doesn't think the attention Tesla's been getting from the stock market is necessarily unwarranted, especially if electric and self-driving cars take off as expected.

"When we think about the future of mobility, they're very well-positioned," she says. :nod:

Investors are also optimistic about Tesla's upcoming Model 3 car. At $35,000, the electric car will cost less than the Model S and Model, and could help make the brand more accessible to middle-class shoppers.

-- CNNMoney's Paul R. La Monica contributed to this report.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/10/investi ... index.html



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I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Hyundai Ioniq electric on order for delivery in August.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Hyundai Ioniq electric on order for delivery in August.
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Tesla stock is still posting records, including today - flitting around $315 at the moment.
Share price has more than doubled since I last said this but my advice is the same for long-term investors:
BUY, BUY, BUY... :thumbup: :thumbup:


Tesla has swallowed Solar City so is now not just a car company, it also does solar electricity collection... :thumbup: :thumbup:


Elon is keeping busy & he's just too fast and talented for the rest of the automobile industry. Just over the last two weeks...
Elon Musk‏Verified account @elonmusk Apr 14
Tesla Semi truck unveil set for September. Team has done an amazing job. Seriously next level.
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.@elonmusk just revealed a teaser image of the coming Tesla semi truck here st TED:
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Elon Musk at TED: "By the end of 2017, a driverless Tesla will go from LA to NYC." #ted2017
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On @Tesla autonomy, @TEDchris: "How long until you can get in your car, fall asleep, and wake up at your destination?" @elonmusk: "2 years."
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Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang meets with Tesla CEO Elon Musk in Beijing
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Well I have to say you've exceeded yourself Slowy. Ten thumbsup in your most recent post vastly exceeding your usual four.

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Do you want to know what Elon Musk's master plan is? ;)

Master Plan, Part Deux

Elon Musk July 20, 2016


The first master plan that I wrote 10 years ago is now in the final stages of completion. It wasn't all that complicated and basically consisted of:

Create a low volume car, which would necessarily be expensive
Use that money to develop a medium volume car at a lower price
Use that money to create an affordable, high volume car
And...
Provide solar power. No kidding, this has literally been on our website for 10 years.
The reason we had to start off with step 1 was that it was all I could afford to do with what I made from PayPal. I thought our chances of success were so low that I didn't want to risk anyone's funds in the beginning but my own. The list of successful car company startups is short. As of 2016, the number of American car companies that haven't gone bankrupt is a grand total of two: Ford and Tesla. Starting a car company is idiotic and an electric car company is idiocy squared.

Also, a low volume car means a much smaller, simpler factory, albeit with most things done by hand. Without economies of scale, anything we built would be expensive, whether it was an economy sedan or a sports car. While at least some people would be prepared to pay a high price for a sports car, no one was going to pay $100k for an electric Honda Civic, no matter how cool it looked.

Part of the reason I wrote the first master plan was to defend against the inevitable attacks Tesla would face accusing us of just caring about making cars for rich people, implying that we felt there was a shortage of sports car companies or some other bizarre rationale. Unfortunately, the blog didn't stop countless attack articles on exactly these grounds, so it pretty much completely failed that objective.

However, the main reason was to explain how our actions fit into a larger picture, so that they would seem less random. The point of all this was, and remains, accelerating the advent of sustainable energy, so that we can imagine far into the future and life is still good. That's what "sustainable" means. It's not some silly, hippy thing -- it matters for everyone.

By definition, we must at some point achieve a sustainable energy economy or we will run out of fossil fuels to burn and civilization will collapse. Given that we must get off fossil fuels anyway and that virtually all scientists agree that dramatically increasing atmospheric and oceanic carbon levels is insane, the faster we achieve sustainability, the better.

Here is what we plan to do to make that day come sooner:

Integrate Energy Generation and Storage
Create a smoothly integrated and beautiful solar-roof-with-battery product that just works, empowering the individual as their own utility, and then scale that throughout the world. One ordering experience, one installation, one service contact, one phone app.

We can't do this well if Tesla and SolarCity are different companies, which is why we need to combine and break down the barriers inherent to being separate companies. That they are separate at all, despite similar origins and pursuit of the same overarching goal of sustainable energy, is largely an accident of history. Now that Tesla is ready to scale Powerwall and SolarCity is ready to provide highly differentiated solar, the time has come to bring them together.

Expand to Cover the Major Forms of Terrestrial Transport
Today, Tesla addresses two relatively small segments of premium sedans and SUVs. With the Model 3, a future compact SUV and a new kind of pickup truck, we plan to address most of the consumer market. A lower cost vehicle than the Model 3 is unlikely to be necessary, because of the third part of the plan described below.

What really matters to accelerate a sustainable future is being able to scale up production volume as quickly as possible. That is why Tesla engineering has transitioned to focus heavily on designing the machine that makes the machine -- turning the factory itself into a product. A first principles physics analysis of automotive production suggests that somewhere between a 5 to 10 fold improvement is achievable by version 3 on a roughly 2 year iteration cycle. The first Model 3 factory machine should be thought of as version 0.5, with version 1.0 probably in 2018.

In addition to consumer vehicles, there are two other types of electric vehicle needed: heavy-duty trucks and high passenger-density urban transport. Both are in the early stages of development at Tesla and should be ready for unveiling next year. We believe the Tesla Semi will deliver a substantial reduction in the cost of cargo transport, while increasing safety and making it really fun to operate.

With the advent of autonomy, it will probably make sense to shrink the size of buses and transition the role of bus driver to that of fleet manager. Traffic congestion would improve due to increased passenger areal density by eliminating the center aisle and putting seats where there are currently entryways, and matching acceleration and braking to other vehicles, thus avoiding the inertial impedance to smooth traffic flow of traditional heavy buses. It would also take people all the way to their destination. Fixed summon buttons at existing bus stops would serve those who don't have a phone. Design accommodates wheelchairs, strollers and bikes.

Autonomy
As the technology matures, all Tesla vehicles will have the hardware necessary to be fully self-driving with fail-operational capability, meaning that any given system in the car could break and your car will still drive itself safely. It is important to emphasize that refinement and validation of the software will take much longer than putting in place the cameras, radar, sonar and computing hardware.

Even once the software is highly refined and far better than the average human driver, there will still be a significant time gap, varying widely by jurisdiction, before true self-driving is approved by regulators. We expect that worldwide regulatory approval will require something on the order of 6 billion miles (10 billion km). Current fleet learning is happening at just over 3 million miles (5 million km) per day.

I should add a note here to explain why Tesla is deploying partial autonomy now, rather than waiting until some point in the future. The most important reason is that, when used correctly, it is already significantly safer than a person driving by themselves and it would therefore be morally reprehensible to delay release simply for fear of bad press or some mercantile calculation of legal liability.

According to the recently released 2015 NHTSA report, automotive fatalities increased by 8% to one death every 89 million miles. Autopilot miles will soon exceed twice that number and the system gets better every day. It would no more make sense to disable Tesla's Autopilot, as some have called for, than it would to disable autopilot in aircraft, after which our system is named.

It is also important to explain why we refer to Autopilot as "beta". This is not beta software in any normal sense of the word. Every release goes through extensive internal validation before it reaches any customers. It is called beta in order to decrease complacency and indicate that it will continue to improve (Autopilot is always off by default). Once we get to the point where Autopilot is approximately 10 times safer than the US vehicle average, the beta label will be removed.

Sharing
When true self-driving is approved by regulators, it will mean that you will be able to summon your Tesla from pretty much anywhere. Once it picks you up, you will be able to sleep, read or do anything else enroute to your destination.

You will also be able to add your car to the Tesla shared fleet just by tapping a button on the Tesla phone app and have it generate income for you while you're at work or on vacation, significantly offsetting and at times potentially exceeding the monthly loan or lease cost. This dramatically lowers the true cost of ownership to the point where almost anyone could own a Tesla. Since most cars are only in use by their owner for 5% to 10% of the day, the fundamental economic utility of a true self-driving car is likely to be several times that of a car which is not.

In cities where demand exceeds the supply of customer-owned cars, Tesla will operate its own fleet, ensuring you can always hail a ride from us no matter where you are.

So, in short, Master Plan, Part Deux is:

Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage
Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments
Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning
Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it



* * * * *
https://www.tesla.com/blog/master-plan-part-deux
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Elon Musk wants TESLA to be matching the World's biggest company, Apple, in 8 years time... :smug:
If we’re able to maintain a 50% growth rate for 10 years and achieve 10% profitability number and have a 20 P/E, our market cap would be basically the same as Apple’s is today,” Musk said in 2015. “Now, that’s going to require a bit—on the order of $700 [billion]. Obviously, getting there will require some significant capex.
Elon Musk Says Robots Will Help Tesla Catch Up to Apple in Value



He's ambitious alright, but his reasoning looks fundamentally sound... :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Do I recall correctly the EV-sceptic poster Fat Albert say he would only be impressed with EVs' performance when THIS happened?
Top 100 Nürburgring Lap Times

Rank
Manufacturer & Model
Time
Video
Year
1. NextEV Nio EP9
6:45.90 Onboard N/A ’16

2. Radical SR8LM
6:48.00 Watch Onboard ’09
3. Lamborghini Huracan Performante
6:52.01 Watch Onboard ’18
4. Radical SR8
6:56.08 Watch Onboard ’05
5. Porsche 918 Spyder
6:57.00 Watch Onboard ’13
6. Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce
6:59.73 Watch Onboard ’15
7. Nissan GT-R Nismo
7:08.68 Watch Onboard ’15
8. Mercedes-AMG GT-R
7:10.92 Watch Onboard ’17
9. Gumpert Apollo Speed
7:11.57 Watch Onboard ’09
10. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
7:12.13 Watch Onboard ’10
11. Porsche 911 GT3
7:12.70 Watch Onboard ’18
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

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:arrow: 1 megawatt of power (1,341 horsepower)
:arrow: up to 2.5G of lateral grip
:arrow: acceleration of 0-124mph in 7.1 seconds
:arrow: 194mph top speed
https://electrek.co/2017/05/16/watch-ni ... gring-lap/

The lap on video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MRydmz86E

NEO company website: http://www.nio.io/news/nio-ep9-breaks-n ... lap-record


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Impressive, I do think electric only supercars will barely take off on purely electric because the engine noise is probably half the reason people buy them. If I have 300k to spend on a supercar, they are all going to be quick, I want one that scares the shit out of people when I drive past

The same with motorbikes, a silent motorbike is probably the most dangerous thing you could ever drive.
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Guy Martin all set to launch himself round the IOM on this beasty
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█ SPEC.
● Machine Name: SHINDEN ROKU
● Overall Length/width/height (mm): 2,125 / 680 / 1,130
● Ground Clearance (mm): 130
● Seat Height (mm): 810
● Total Weight (kg): 248
● Tire (Front): 120/70ZR17M/C (58W)
● Tire (Rear): 200/55ZR17M/C (78W)
● Frame: CFRP Monocoque frame
● Motor Type: Oil-cooled, 3-phase, Brushless Motor
Maximum Output (kW[PS]): 120[163.2]
Maximum Torque (Nm [kgfm]): 210 [21.4]
Battery Specification: Laminate-type Lithium-ion
Battery Output Voltage (V): 370 or more

IOMTT legend John McGuiness was meant to ride the other bike but suffered a broken leg and back after a spill so not sure who is getting the ride
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That's only a little toy compared to the superbikes, it does look nice though. Also big difference riding a silent bike on a closed road and on a busy road in traffic. Loud pipes save lives :thumbup:
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goose81 wrote:That's only a little toy compared to the superbikes, it does look nice though. Also big difference riding a silent bike on a closed road and on a busy road in traffic. Loud pipes save lives :thumbup:
Gonna end up hooning around looking like the Blues Brothers car with a massive speaker on the roof going vroooooooooooooooom!!!!
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slow wing wrote:Do I recall correctly the EV-sceptic poster Fat Albert say he would only be impressed with EVs' performance when THIS happened?
Top 100 Nürburgring Lap Times

Rank
Manufacturer & Model
Time
Video
Year
1. NextEV Nio EP9
6:45.90 Onboard N/A ’16

2. Radical SR8LM
6:48.00 Watch Onboard ’09
3. Lamborghini Huracan Performante
6:52.01 Watch Onboard ’18
4. Radical SR8
6:56.08 Watch Onboard ’05
5. Porsche 918 Spyder
6:57.00 Watch Onboard ’13
6. Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce
6:59.73 Watch Onboard ’15
7. Nissan GT-R Nismo
7:08.68 Watch Onboard ’15
8. Mercedes-AMG GT-R
7:10.92 Watch Onboard ’17
9. Gumpert Apollo Speed
7:11.57 Watch Onboard ’09
10. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
7:12.13 Watch Onboard ’10
11. Porsche 911 GT3
7:12.70 Watch Onboard ’18
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/
:arrow: 1 megawatt of power (1,341 horsepower)
:arrow: up to 2.5G of lateral grip
:arrow: acceleration of 0-124mph in 7.1 seconds
:arrow: 194mph top speed
https://electrek.co/2017/05/16/watch-ni ... gring-lap/

The lap on video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MRydmz86E

NEO company website: http://www.nio.io/news/nio-ep9-breaks-n ... lap-record


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The acceleration is particularly impressive. I wonder how they are dealing with the cooling issues.
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RIP the diesel engine!
Volvo credits Tesla for creating EV demand, says they will stop developing diesel engines to focus on EVs

Fred Lambert - May. 17th 2017 12:36 pm ET @FredericLambert


Today, Volvo Chief Executive Officer Hakan Samuelsson said that the current generation of diesel engines will be the automaker’s last and that they will instead focus on electric vehicles.

And he also gave credit to Tesla for launching demand for electric vehicles, which actually plays right into the automaker’s mission.



The Swedish automaker is aggressively pushing for its first long-range electric car to start between $35,000 and $40,000 in 2019 and it confirmed that they plan to build it in China and export it globally.

This vehicle will be built on Volvo’s new Modular Electrification Platform (MEP), which will apparently become the company’s focus as development efforts shift from diesel engines.

In an interview with German’s Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (via Reuters) today, Samuelsson confirmed that today’s market shows no reason to continue investing in diesel:


“From today’s perspective, we will not develop any more new generation diesel engines,”

He added that they will instead focus on all-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids:

“We have to recognise that Tesla has managed to offer such a car for which people are lining up. In this area, there should also be space for us, with high quality and attractive design,”

The CEO noted that Europe’s regulations are pushing them to be more aggressive in the development of more efficient engines. He added that diesel and gas will still be important in the coming years, but electric propulsion will be required after 2020.

:arrow: Samuelsson hinted that they could stop production of diesel engines, which represents about 50% of the market in Europe, altogether after 2023.

These are more aggressive timelines than previously stated by the automaker, which had only announced a goal to accumulate a global fleet of “up to 1 million electrified cars by 2025 globally”.

Again, Volvo’s first all-vehicle will hit the market in 2019. The company confirmed that they are aiming for a range of “at least 250 miles”. We still don’t know in what segment it will be, but it is expected to be based one of the two new concepts Volvo unveiled last year – SUV pictured above and a sedan.
https://electrek.co/2017/05/17/volvo-te ... c-vehicle/


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Two-strokes, impending death...
  • California Weighs Tougher Emissions Rules For Gas-Powered Garden Equipment

    February 28, 2017
    DAVID GORN

    Those gas-powered leaf blowers, hedge trimmers and mowers you hear in your neighborhood aren't just annoying — they make a lot of pollution, too.

    In California, they're about to pass cars as the worst air polluters, spewing out formaldehyde, benzene and particulate matter. According to Michael Benjamin at the California Air Resources Board, in just three years' time, the biggest single ozone polluter in the state is going to be all this gardening equipment.
    • We expect that ozone-contributing pollutants from small off-road engines will exceed those same emissions from cars around the 2020 time frame, Benjamin says.
    It sounds hard to believe: More pollution from leaf blowers than cars. But in California and across the country, regulations on car exhaust have gotten tighter and tighter over the years, substantially reducing their ozone-damaging emissions. Not so with small gas engines, Benjamin says. And with 16 million of them cranking up across California, all that pollution adds up.

    "Unless ARB adopts more stringent controls, emissions from this category are going to really become much more significant relative to cars," he says.

    Some states and regional air-quality districts do have incentive programs in place to try to get homeowners to switch from gas to electric machinery. But California — which currently goes by federal standards for its emissions regulations of small off-road gas engines — is considering requiring tougher emissions standards for small gas engines and to offer major incentives for landscaping businesses to change over to electric.

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Who's that woman? : :shock:
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Green4U Panoz Racing GT-EV

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Green4U was founded late last year, and subsequently acquired the DeltaWing Technology Group, Panoz LLC and Team Panoz Racing.

"Our goal is to run our car in a race, perhaps even applying for a future Garage 56 slot"

Initial performance targets include 400-450kW total power, with a top speed of between 175-180mph.

The car will run on removable battery packs, allowing for batteries to be swapped out during pitstops, with a targeted range of between 90 and 110 miles.

There are also plans for a street-legal sports car based on the GT-EV.
The removable battery packs sounds very interesting and useful.
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Havent other companies looked into the removable battery packs and just decided high speed charging is more practical? Obviously for a race situation, a quick battery change-out that can be done in tens of seconds with a hydraulic lift is preferable to 15 minutes plugged into the wall, but for a commercially available street car, jacking up and swapping out 100ish kg of battery and plopping the new one in is something that would require multiple attendants at every charging station and a lot more wait time than just plug in and go.
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DOB wrote:Havent other companies looked into the removable battery packs and just decided high speed charging is more practical? Obviously for a race situation, a quick battery change-out that can be done in tens of seconds with a hydraulic lift is preferable to 15 minutes plugged into the wall, but for a commercially available street car, jacking up and swapping out 100ish kg of battery and plopping the new one in is something that would require multiple attendants at every charging station and a lot more wait time than just plug in and go.
There was a project called "Better Place" that started a few years ago but went bankrupt in 2013 I think. Its idea was to develop batter yswapping technology similar to what you describe.
I guess the problem is you need to ensure there is some sort of commonality with batteries being predominantly the same dimensions.

Also, can you imagine all the issues you'd have with ensuring women could park properly on the ramps so the battery could be swapped out? :uhoh:
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Heres a vid of Dean Harrison taking the electric bike around the Mountain course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VcH26zzPic



and the results

Pos No. Rider Machine/Entrant Time Speed Subclass Replica
1 1 Bruce Anstey Mugen 19:13.924 117.710 Silver
2 2 Guy Martin Mugen / Mugen 19:55.331 113.632 Silver
3 6 Daley Mathison University of Nottingham / University of Nott 20:43.748 109.209 Silver
4 3 Dean Harrison Sarolea / Sarolea 20:56.924 108.064 Bronze
5 7 Antonio Maeso University of Nottingham / University of Nott 24:49.385 91.197
6 11 James Cowton Brunel / Brunel Racing TT Zero 24:53.229 90.963
7 14 Adam Child MCN / MCN / Moto Corsa 28:42.662 78.848
8 8 Matthew Rees University of Bath / University of Bath 29:14.549 77.415
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About 5-6 years ago, they were running a test program in Denmark to automatically swap out batteries, with the help of some European car manufacturers. It took roughly 3 minutes to do the swap. They wanted to keep the time for swapping a battery to a similar time to fill up a as tank.
The idea was that car owners would not own the battery packs. A car owner would pay a deposit for the battery( similar to paying a deposit for a portable natural gas tank and then just paying for the gas refills every time) where in this case you would just pay for the electricity to charge the battery pack.
This in theory would have made the cars cheaper as well because you did not have to buy the battery pack with the car.

They build a few of these trial stations around Copenhagen area and leased cars out for the testing period.

Not sure if this is still going, but one draw back of such a system is that most car manufacturers will have to buy into the idea of everyone using a standardized battery pack for all car models. So my guess is it never went past the trial stage. I left Denmark when they started the project.
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Elon Musk‏Verified account @elonmusk 6m6 minutes ago
Model 3 passed all regulatory requirements for production two weeks ahead of schedule. Expecting to complete SN1 on Friday
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Elon Musk‏Verified account @elonmusk 32 minutes ago
Replying to @elonmusk
Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3's on the 28th! Production grows exponentially, so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500.

Looks like we can reach 20,000 Model 3 cars per month in Dec
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Live stream for Tesla Model 3 unveiling - just started... :thumbup: :thumbup:

https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/tesla-mo ... e-handoff/
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The Tesla Model 3 presentation has just finished. It was short and there wasn't much information.

Customers picked up the first 30 cars.

Elon did say there are 2 variants:
Standard: range = 220 miles; acceleration = ??; top speed = 130 mph
Long range: range = 310 miles, acceleration = 5.1 s to 60 mph; top speed = 140 mph.


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Here’s the full list of specs and options from Tesla:

STANDARD EQUIPMENT

Price – $35,000

Standard Battery

Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)
Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes
Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A)
Deliveries begin: Fall 2017
Performance

0-60 mph: 5.6 seconds
Top speed: 130 mph
Interior

15” touchscreen display
Dual zone climate control system
FM/Internet streaming radio
Textile seating
Front Center console with open storage and two USB ports
Convenience

Onboard maps and navigation
Wi-Fi and LTE internet connectivity
Keyless entry and remote climate control using the Tesla app
Voice activated controls
Bluetooth hands-free calling and media streaming
60/40 split folding rear seat to maximize cargo options
Back-up camera
Auto dimming rear-view mirror
One-touch power windows throughout
Power-adjustable side mirrors
12-volt power outlet
Safety

Full LED exterior lighting
Seven cameras, forward radar and twelve ultrasonic sensors enabling active safety technologies including collision avoidance and automatic emergency braking
Six front row and two side curtain airbags
Three-point safety belts with belt-reminders for driver and four passengers
Two LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children) attachments in second row
Electronic stability and traction control
Four-wheel antilock disc brakes with electronic parking brake
Child safety locks
Anti-theft alarm system
Tire pressure monitoring system
Warranty

Vehicle: 4 year, 50,000 mile limited warranty
Battery warranty: 8 year, 100,000 mile (120,000 mile with Long Range Battery)
OPTIONS

Long Range Battery – $9,000

Range: 310 miles
Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes :thumbup:
Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)
0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds
Top speed: 140 mph
Deliveries begin: July 2017
Paint

Solid Black: Standard
Midnight Silver Metallic: $1,000
Deep Blue Metallic: $1,000
Silver Metallic: $1,000
Pearl White Multi-Coat: $1,000
Red Multi-Coat: $1,000
Wheels

18” Aero: Standard
19” Sport: $1,500
Premium Upgrades Package – $5,000 Upgraded interior with additional features and premium materials.

Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout, including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs
12-way, power adjustable front seats, steering column and side mirrors, with custom driver profiles
Premium audio system with more power, tweeters, surround speakers and subwoofer
Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection
Auto dimming, power folding, heated side mirrors
LED fog lamps
Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones
Enhanced Autopilot – $5,000 Model 3 will match speed to traffic conditions, keep within a lane, automatically change lanes, transition from one freeway to another, exit the freeway and self-park at your destination.

Additional features will roll out over time through software updates.

Full Self-Driving Capability – $3,000 (requires Enhanced Autopilot) In the future, Model 3 will be capable of conducting trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. :o :thumbup:

This feature is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary by jurisdiction.

VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS

Dimensions & Weight

Length: 184.8”
Width: 76.1” (72.8” with mirrors folded)
Height: 56.8”
Wheelbase: 113.2”
Track (wheel center): 62.2” front and rear
Ground clearance: 5.5”
Head room, standard: 39.6” front row, 37.7” second row
Head room, glass roof: 40.3” front row, 37.7” second row
Leg room: 42.7” front row, 35.2” second row
Shoulder room: 56.3” front row, 54.0” second row
Hip room: 53.4” front row, 52.4” second row
Seating capacity: 5 adults
Luggage capacity: 15 cubic feet
Curb weight:
3549 lbs. (Model 3)
3814 lbs. (Model 3 Long Range)
Weight distribution:
47% front, 53% rear (Model 3)
48% front, 52% rear (Model 3 Long Range)
Body

Hybrid steel/aluminum body
Drag coefficient of 0.23
Chassis

Double wishbone, virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
Variable ratio, speed sensitive electronic power steering
Electromechanically boosted four wheel anti-lock disc brakes with electronic brake force distribution
18” Aero or 19” Sport wheels with all-season tires
Standard Accessories

240 volt NEMA 14-50 adapter
120 volt NEMA 5-15 adapter
J1772 public charging adapter
20 foot mobile connector with storage bag
https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/tesla-mo ... -revealed/

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The Man Without Fear wrote:I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Hyundai Ioniq electric on order for delivery in August.
When's the vasectomy
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Tesla is copping some shit

Last week
"Put it this way," Chanos said. "If you wouldn't be short a multibillion-dollar loss-making enterprise in a cyclical business, with a leveraged balance sheet, questionable accounting, every executive leaving, run by a CEO with a questionable relationship with the truth, what would you be short? It sort of ticks all the boxes."

Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/transport/a ... z4z7bfCXlp
But Mellon is betting against some of tech's biggest names. On his short list are Facebook, Netflix and Tesla, which he quipped is "hand-making their cars".

Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/banking-and ... z4z7btyhx8

Today
Elon Musk's Tesla is burning through $10,500 a minute as Model 3 problems linger

Elon Musk said last week that Tesla is designing a new sports car that could go from zero to 60 mph in 1.9 seconds. Not bad, but here's a speed number that investors might want to focus on instead:

Over the past 12 months, the electric-car maker has been burning money at a clip of about $US8,000 a minute ($10,500), Bloomberg data show. At this pace, the company is on track to exhaust its current cash pile on Monday, August 6.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/innovati ... zq8p2.html
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Duff Paddy wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Hyundai Ioniq electric on order for delivery in August.
When's the vasectomy
We'll rely on the rythm method like good Catholics.

2,100 miles of tailpipe emissions free motoring and counting. At a cost of buttons for the electricity. It's great for traffic lights Grand Prix, no farting about with gears, loaded with kit and easy to drive. I can precondition it in the morning and get into a warm or cool car as the weather dictates.

I am NEVER going back to ICE.

On the downside, all BMW i3s recalled in USA because extremely short women in New Hampshire who don't wear seatbelts when driving ("Live Free or Die Stupidly") are at risk. As I understand it, you can't drive one without a seatbelt without it bonging like crazy non-stop, but I suppose BMW should have accounted for rank idiocy.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Hyundai Ioniq electric on order for delivery in August.
When's the vasectomy
We'll rely on the rythm method like good Catholics.

2,100 miles of tailpipe emissions free motoring and counting. At a cost of buttons for the electricity. It's great for traffic lights Grand Prix, no farting about with gears, loaded with kit and easy to drive. I can precondition it in the morning and get into a warm or cool car as the weather dictates.

I am NEVER going back to ICE.

On the downside, all BMW i3s recalled in USA because extremely short women in New Hampshire who don't wear seatbelts when driving ("Live Free or Die Stupidly") are at risk. As I understand it, you can't drive one without a seatbelt without it bonging like crazy non-stop, but I suppose BMW should have accounted for rank idiocy.
Wait, that's a thing??
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Duff Paddy wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Hyundai Ioniq electric on order for delivery in August.
When's the vasectomy
It ships with a pair of these

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