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theo wrote:He is clearly our best option at 9 at the moment. Which says it all.
He was the best option out of the players consistently picked.
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Winger_ wrote:
theo wrote:He is clearly our best option at 9 at the moment. Which says it all.
He was the best option out of the players consistently picked.
Bingo.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
theo wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
toweliechaos wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Wigglesworth is an England scrum half as well...
He really isn't...someone should mention this to the coaches
Neither is Ben Youngs really, there are better young 9s in the AP.
Youngs on form is very much a test quality scrum half. He has put in enough good performances to warrant that.
Same with Danny Care.
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Simpson was clearly showing the best domestic form last season- It's a shame he was injured late on, I wonder if he would have been in the final 31 had he been fully fit for the training camp.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Winger_ wrote:
theo wrote:He is clearly our best option at 9 at the moment. Which says it all.
He was the best option out of the players consistently picked.
Bingo.
Agreed. Slightly too hesitant for a 9. Though perhaps because of the forwards?
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Jake White on pre-match interview just now.

He's comments aren't anything new - but to hear it straight from the horses mouth rather than through the Telegraph/Daily Fail filter makes it look genuine.

Looks like the trail has gone hot.

Remains to be seen if he's the best candidate.
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^ and I agree with Barnes' assessment of him- we don't want Jake White-ball for England, also, the International game has moved on since to render it less effective.
Interesting that Sky have started adding Rennie and Joseph into the conversation- Williams thinks Rennie would be up to it
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plum-pudding wrote:^ and I agree with Barnes' assessment of him- we don't want Jake White-ball for England, also, the International game has moved on since to render it less effective.
Interesting that Sky have started adding Rennie and Joseph into the conversation- Williams thinks Rennie would be up to it
Ali Williams?
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Rootheday wrote:Jake White on pre-match interview just now.

He's comments aren't anything new - but to hear it straight from the horses mouth rather than through the Telegraph/Daily Fail filter makes it look genuine.

Looks like the trail has gone hot.

Remains to be seen if he's the best candidate.
On the evidence of that showing, no. Montpellier were devoid of imagination and had no clue how to get back into it once Jakeball failed.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:
Rootheday wrote:Jake White on pre-match interview just now.

He's comments aren't anything new - but to hear it straight from the horses mouth rather than through the Telegraph/Daily Fail filter makes it look genuine.

Looks like the trail has gone hot.

Remains to be seen if he's the best candidate.
On the evidence of that showing, no. Montpellier were devoid of imagination and had no clue how to get back into it once Jakeball failed.
are we applying LTVG to coaches now too? :?
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DragsterDriver wrote:
plum-pudding wrote:^ and I agree with Barnes' assessment of him- we don't want Jake White-ball for England, also, the International game has moved on since to render it less effective.
Interesting that Sky have started adding Rennie and Joseph into the conversation- Williams thinks Rennie would be up to it
Ali Williams?
Yes- not that I attribute much weight to that- but hey.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:
Rootheday wrote:Jake White on pre-match interview just now.

He's comments aren't anything new - but to hear it straight from the horses mouth rather than through the Telegraph/Daily Fail filter makes it look genuine.

Looks like the trail has gone hot.

Remains to be seen if he's the best candidate.
On the evidence of that showing, no. Montpellier were devoid of imagination and had no clue how to get back into it once Jakeball failed.
I wholeheartedly agree on tonight's showing - I think the strategy was not only dull, but worse than the worst excesses of Northern Hemisphere kickathons. And that is despite having a pack dominating all over the field.

The 2007 final was so dull on second thoughts - in light of tonight no thanks!
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plum-pudding wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
plum-pudding wrote:^ and I agree with Barnes' assessment of him- we don't want Jake White-ball for England, also, the International game has moved on since to render it less effective.
Interesting that Sky have started adding Rennie and Joseph into the conversation- Williams thinks Rennie would be up to it
Ali Williams?
Yes- not that I attribute much weight to that- but hey.
Rennie would be better than white or mallet.
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White is not the best man for the job. But frankly rfu are beggers at the moment.
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The white game plan seems to favour a kicking robot like Farrell and a fat pack good at the set piece.

The worst strategy to fall back on now.

Please God I thought we were moving on
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Rootheday wrote:The white game plan seems to favour a kicking robot like Farrell and a fat pack good at the set piece.

The worst strategy to fall back on now.

Please God I thought we were moving on
Yeah, I don't think the RFU will be making a beeline in his direction after that display.
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Rugby2023 wrote:
Rootheday wrote:The white game plan seems to favour a kicking robot like Farrell and a fat pack good at the set piece.

The worst strategy to fall back on now.

Please God I thought we were moving on
Yeah, I don't think the RFU will be making a beeline in his direction after that display.
On tonight's showing, O'Shea should be favourite.

They will have to look outside the 'international coach' criteria soon because it could be too limiting.

I fear as a result of the original method statement that we will end up with a finished coach not moving with the times, just because he's 'been there'.
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Rootheday wrote: I fear as a result of the original method statement that we will end up with a finished coach not moving with the times, just because he's 'been there'.
Sounds about right yeah
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Rugby2023 wrote:
Rootheday wrote:The white game plan seems to favour a kicking robot like Farrell and a fat pack good at the set piece.

The worst strategy to fall back on now.

Please God I thought we were moving on
Yeah, I don't think the RFU will be making a beeline in his direction after that display.
Well Ian Ritchie is the man making the decision, & he came from Tennis, so maybe he favours, kick Tennis, as the go to tactic !
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fishfoodie wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Rootheday wrote:The white game plan seems to favour a kicking robot like Farrell and a fat pack good at the set piece.

The worst strategy to fall back on now.

Please God I thought we were moving on
Yeah, I don't think the RFU will be making a beeline in his direction after that display.
Well Ian Ritchie is the man making the decision, & he came from Tennis, so maybe he favours, kick Tennis, as the go to tactic !
As SCW rightly said today, Ritchie doesn't know a ruck from a maul.

He does however know how to be a good chief exec.

Resign please !
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Joe Marler ‏@JoeMarler 2m2 minutes ago
Stuart Barnes is a complete helmet........
Joe tells it as it is :thumbup:
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Margin_Walker wrote:
Joe Marler ‏@JoeMarler 2m2 minutes ago
Stuart Barnes is a complete helmet........
Joe tells it as it is :thumbup:
:lol:
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Rootheday wrote:The white game plan seems to favour a kicking robot like Farrell and a fat pack good at the set piece.

The worst strategy to fall back on now.

Please God I thought we were moving on
I would think Farrell would be last 10 if your strategy relies on a kicking flyhalf.
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White actually tends to pick relatively flashy players in his backline - see Matt Toomua, Trinh-Duc, Tim Swiel, Butch James etc at 10 - the conservative pick is usually at 15 where he values a big and accurate boot above everything else (no prizes for guessing why)
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Margin_Walker wrote:
Joe Marler ‏@JoeMarler 2m2 minutes ago
Stuart Barnes is a complete helmet........
Joe tells it as it is :thumbup:
on ya, Joe! :thumbup:
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You all know it makes sense...

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Baxter said in an interview he reckons one of Cockers or Mallinder should get the England job :uhoh:
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openclashXX wrote:Baxter said in an interview he reckons one of Cockers or Mallinder should get the England job :uhoh:
Either wound be awful
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I has to happen, just to see gashes reaction. :lol:
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Jeez

Jake White as short as 2-1 at some places this morning.

Eddie Jones getting ever longer.

Eeeeek.

Something is happening at HQ.
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At least Lancasters England side was entertaining to watch a lot of the time, i dont fancy watching four years of Jakeball :(
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kornboy130 wrote:Leicester Tigers (v Stade Francais Paris, Welford Road, Friday 7.45pm)
15 Mathew Tait (c)
14 Adam Thompstone

13 Peter Betham
12 Matt Smith
11 Vereniki Goneva
10 Owen Williams
9 Ben Youngs
1 Marcos Ayerza
2 Tom Youngs
3 Dan Cole
4 Mike Williams
5 Mike Fitzgerald
6 Tom Croft
7 Brendon O'Connor
8 Lachlan McCaffrey


Replacements
16 Leonardo Ghiraldini
17 Matias Aguero
18 Fraser Balmain
19 Dom Barrow
20 Jordan Crane
21 Sam Harrison

22 Seremaia Bai
23 Telusa Veainu


4071....last week I promise - Fitzgerald EQP?
It has been claimed on the Tigers board, but I've yet to see any evidence for it. Kitto, BO'C and McCaffrey I have at least seen their various birthplace/parentage claims. But not so for Fitz. I guess he's probably not EQ.
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Actually had a brief chat with Jake White last night in the bar after the Quin's game. He is incredibly keen for the job.

I didn't tell him I thought it was a bad idea...
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LTVG: NO TO JAKE WHITE


I'd unironically love Cockerill to get the job. Possibly not just for sporting reasons.
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Robbie Deans seems like a very sensible option for England job.

Has the pedigree and the kiwi influence that everyone wants.

Yeah a bit meh with Australia at times but anyone but Jake!
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JM2K6 wrote:LTVG: NO TO JAKE WHITE


I'd unironically love Cockerill to get the job. Possibly not just for sporting reasons.
Cockerill would get the team winning games, I expect. He's not as dull and pragmatic as he's popularly painted as, despite his deep suspicion of inconsistent or inexperienced players.

I reckon that within a couple of seasons, Cockerill will have got a solid and experienced England team to a 6N title and a few 'close-but-no-cigar' defeats against the SH sides. And still have no idea how to get them to make that final step up a level.
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:lol: Johnno again...

That would be insanity.
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Youngulus wrote:
:lol: Johnno again...

That would be insanity.
I was in agreement with him right up until that point and from then on, Austin clearly goes mental.
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toweliechaos wrote:
Youngulus wrote:
:lol: Johnno again...

That would be insanity.
I was in agreement with him right up until that point and from then on, Austin clearly goes mental.
http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=68345
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