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Joost wrote:
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He’ll be the ideal replacement for Roberts then :blush:
It's a bit rough on Sale but they've got a fee for him :)
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Nabberuk wrote:https://twitter.com/Smallclone_/status/ ... 78784?s=19

Wondering if gates are different in Ireland...
That's awful. far more obvious than I remembered :lol:
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blindcider wrote:
Nabberuk wrote:https://twitter.com/Smallclone_/status/ ... 78784?s=19

Wondering if gates are different in Ireland...
That's awful. far more obvious than I remembered :lol:
Theres a couple of worse ones, shame they're not gifs.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Nabberuk wrote:https://twitter.com/Smallclone_/status/ ... 78784?s=19

Wondering if gates are different in Ireland...
That's awful. far more obvious than I remembered :lol:
Theres a couple of worse ones, shame they're not gifs.
On rugbyinsideline twitter
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happyhooker wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Nabberuk wrote:https://twitter.com/Smallclone_/status/ ... 78784?s=19

Wondering if gates are different in Ireland...
That's awful. far more obvious than I remembered :lol:
Theres a couple of worse ones, shame they're not gifs.
On rugbyinsideline twitter
I'll have a look, i'm sure he smoked May?
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In that one he’s in the side charging the ruck, then x2 dodgy clear outs. The start of the game was the worst iirc.
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The shoulder to Itoje’s head in the other one is not very clever. I’d be surprised if he didn’t pick up a ban of some sort.
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There’s another one on 22 minutes against Curry, right in front of Peyper as well.
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People banging on about scrum feeds need to focus more on these torpedo clearouts.

WR need a wakeup call on this, yet appear to be ignoring Ben Ryan’s regular campaigning on social media?
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Jesus, if Peyper can't see an infringement as blatant as that, right in front of his nose, he has no place on the pitch.
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Dobbin wrote:Jesus, if Peyper can't see an infringement as blatant as that, right in front of his nose, he has no place on the pitch.
He could see it but from the first minute he'd decided on a free for all. Ireland tested him early and he didn't give one.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Dobbin wrote:Jesus, if Peyper can't see an infringement as blatant as that, right in front of his nose, he has no place on the pitch.
He could see it but from the first minute he'd decided on a free for all. Ireland tested him early and he didn't give one.
TMO clearly wasn’t interested either, so wouldn’t be surprised if he got away with it. From a selfish POV, I’d prefer him to be available for the France game!
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Mainstream press not interested in the topic and officialdom is broken so there will not be any punishment or even citing. Ref, assistants and TMO were too busy watching the team in white to notice the highly dangerous approach to the game by those in green.
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Joost wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Dobbin wrote:Jesus, if Peyper can't see an infringement as blatant as that, right in front of his nose, he has no place on the pitch.
He could see it but from the first minute he'd decided on a free for all. Ireland tested him early and he didn't give one.
TMO clearly wasn’t interested either, so wouldn’t be surprised if he got away with it. From a selfish POV, I’d prefer him to be available for the France game!
If he went out like that with a different ref it's nailed on early bath, i bet Api Ratuniyarawa couldn't believe it :lol:

Can we see an irish fightback? I'm feeling no, major problems there.
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The hit on Curry is a cheap shot plain and simple. I take the point that Ryan could be useful if we want Ireland to beat France but I’ll be annoyed if he gets away with it.
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In other news, I wonder what happens if Italy vs. Ireland is postponed?

Given the Pro14 cancellations, it’s looking very sketchy.
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Bath sign Rhys Webb for the remainder of the season! (Hopefully he goes better then the last permatanned Welshman we signed!)
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Joost wrote:Bath sign Rhys Webb for the remainder of the season! (Hopefully he goes better then the last permatanned Welshman we signed!)
Blimey. How much was Jamie Roberts on exactly? Him going seems to have freed up quite a few bob.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Joost wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Dobbin wrote:Jesus, if Peyper can't see an infringement as blatant as that, right in front of his nose, he has no place on the pitch.
He could see it but from the first minute he'd decided on a free for all. Ireland tested him early and he didn't give one.
TMO clearly wasn’t interested either, so wouldn’t be surprised if he got away with it. From a selfish POV, I’d prefer him to be available for the France game!
If he went out like that with a different ref it's nailed on early bath, i bet Api Ratuniyarawa couldn't believe it :lol:

Can we see an irish fightback? I'm feeling no, major problems there.
I had a quick skim through the Irish fred after the match. Several of their posters thought he would be before the beak.
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Think he’ll be ok, the officials were so bad it’ll be glossed over.
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Liam Williams moving back to Scarlets with immediate effect.
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crash 669 wrote:Definitely feeling like England got away with another crap selection by out enthusing their opposition (who totally shat the bed). With a decent 9, 12,8 and a back 3 made up of back 3 players we should have seen a score like in the RWC warm up. At the minute players like Ford and Joseph are playing well in spite of the team around them, rather than because the side works.
Yeah, it feel like 2017 when England were winning, but somehow you knew Ireland were going to beta us to stop the Grand Slam because of how 'meh' the performances were. Currently England's defense is superb, but really 'meh' as an attacking team. Even in that excellent performance against the All Black's last year, England hardly put points to go go out of sight. Sure Owens didn't help, but England under Jones tend to stop scoring points in the 2nd half of games unless exploiting back mistakes in opponents.
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DragsterDriver wrote:Think he’ll be ok, the officials were so bad it’ll be glossed over.
When does the citing window close
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SaintK wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Think he’ll be ok, the officials were so bad it’ll be glossed over.
When does the citing window close
48 hours usually isn't it?
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SaintK wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Think he’ll be ok, the officials were so bad it’ll be glossed over.
When does the citing window close
Later today.

It's a 48-hour window.

He'll get away with it, obviously.

They may have reviewed the 4-5 incidents and decided that they were each worthy of a yellow card or a penalty, but not one of them was in isolation a red card offence.
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I do think one incident missed they would cite it but so many would look bad.
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None look like reds to me.
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Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
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4071 wrote:
SaintK wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Think he’ll be ok, the officials were so bad it’ll be glossed over.
When does the citing window close
Later today.

It's a 48-hour window.

He'll get away with it, obviously.

They may have reviewed the 4-5 incidents and decided that they were each worthy of a yellow card or a penalty, but not one of them was in isolation a red card offence.
Which would be wrong.

At the very least the charge into Itoje crossed that threshold imo, in light of what we've seen receive reds in the Prem and europe.
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JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
What offence are you taking with that column? Kitson certainly does talk rubbish frequently, but I think he raises a few good points, is a team of all rounders vulnerable to a team of specialists? Rugby academies in England certainly do frequently choose size over skill.
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JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
In amongst all that is a nugget of truth worth pursuing, particularly given our dearth of 12s, though it's more Eddie than Kitson:

Certain quicker, skilled flankers could be effectively used in the backline.

A lot of the time top level cenres and flankers are pretty physically indistinct. 6'2 to 6'4, robust and capable of carrying. The best flankers tend to be reasonably quick and 12s are rarely the fastest backs in the team.

Someone like Sam Hill who is basically a pure crash ball merchant, would his role be done less effectively by someone like Ben Earl?

Think of the years of Noon and Tindall, would we have lost anything by sticking prime Haskell or Croft in one of those positions? Croft would've comfortably outrun either of them.

Teach them to pass properly and a flanker would be doing a better job than a surprising number of professional 12s.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
4071 wrote:
SaintK wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Think he’ll be ok, the officials were so bad it’ll be glossed over.
When does the citing window close
Later today.

It's a 48-hour window.

He'll get away with it, obviously.

They may have reviewed the 4-5 incidents and decided that they were each worthy of a yellow card or a penalty, but not one of them was in isolation a red card offence.
Which would be wrong.

At the very least the charge into Itoje crossed that threshold imo, in light of what we've seen receive reds in the Prem and europe.
Yeah, in the Premiership the Itoje one would have been referred to the TMO, played in slo-mo and the initial contact with the head would probably have seen the ref apologetically issue a red card saying that he had no choice. Though the hit on Curry looked worse in real time and it would be interesting to see another angle to see where the contact was made. If it was the head, that's also a red, but even if not it looked very dangerous and was wildly illegal.

The two hits during that ruck on the Irish line would probably only be penalties, and the flying hit on May would have been a penalty and borderline yellow for dangerous play.

Were there any others?
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sockwithaticket wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
In amongst all that is a nugget of truth worth pursuing, particularly given our dearth of 12s, though it's more Eddie than Kitson:

Certain quicker, skilled flankers could be effectively used in the backline.

A lot of the time top level cenres and flankers are pretty physically indistinct. 6'2 to 6'4, robust and capable of carrying. The best flankers tend to be reasonably quick and 12s are rarely the fastest backs in the team.

Someone like Sam Hill who is basically a pure crash ball merchant, would his role be done less effectively by someone like Ben Earl?

Think of the years of Noon and Tindall, would we have lost anything by sticking prime Haskell or Croft in one of those positions? Croft would've comfortably outrun either of them.

Teach them to pass properly and a flanker would be doing a better job than a surprising number of professional 12s.
Just stick Billy there when he’s back fit, with his 50-metre dead-eye torpedo passes and delicate kicking game he’ll do just fine :thumbup:
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:lol:

Fair, I should be saying back rowers rather than just flankers. How ever did Billy's prodigious passing game escape me?
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sockwithaticket wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
In amongst all that is a nugget of truth worth pursuing, particularly given our dearth of 12s, though it's more Eddie than Kitson:

Certain quicker, skilled flankers could be effectively used in the backline.

A lot of the time top level cenres and flankers are pretty physically indistinct. 6'2 to 6'4, robust and capable of carrying. The best flankers tend to be reasonably quick and 12s are rarely the fastest backs in the team.

Someone like Sam Hill who is basically a pure crash ball merchant, would his role be done less effectively by someone like Ben Earl?

Think of the years of Noon and Tindall, would we have lost anything by sticking prime Haskell or Croft in one of those positions? Croft would've comfortably outrun either of them.

Teach them to pass properly and a flanker would be doing a better job than a surprising number of professional 12s.
wasn't there a Flanker / lock who filled in pretty successfully in the backs for a few games ? Forrester ?
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Joost wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
In amongst all that is a nugget of truth worth pursuing, particularly given our dearth of 12s, though it's more Eddie than Kitson:

Certain quicker, skilled flankers could be effectively used in the backline.

A lot of the time top level cenres and flankers are pretty physically indistinct. 6'2 to 6'4, robust and capable of carrying. The best flankers tend to be reasonably quick and 12s are rarely the fastest backs in the team.

Someone like Sam Hill who is basically a pure crash ball merchant, would his role be done less effectively by someone like Ben Earl?

Think of the years of Noon and Tindall, would we have lost anything by sticking prime Haskell or Croft in one of those positions? Croft would've comfortably outrun either of them.

Teach them to pass properly and a flanker would be doing a better job than a surprising number of professional 12s.
Just stick Billy there when he’s back fit, with his 50-metre dead-eye torpedo passes and delicate kicking game he’ll do just fine :thumbup:
Particularly the one off the left hand
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Some chat in the Wail today that the England v Italy game could be relocated, with the two named options being either Twickenham or St James' Park.
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geordie_6 wrote:Some chat in the Wail today that the England v Italy game could be relocated, with the two named options being either Twickenham or St James' Park.
As it was due to be an way game, taking it to St. James' would be a good option and a gesture towards engagement with the north. Believe the players said they'd like to play more gamed outside of HQ?

RFU probably, want the Twickenham revenue though
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backrow wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
In amongst all that is a nugget of truth worth pursuing, particularly given our dearth of 12s, though it's more Eddie than Kitson:

Certain quicker, skilled flankers could be effectively used in the backline.

A lot of the time top level cenres and flankers are pretty physically indistinct. 6'2 to 6'4, robust and capable of carrying. The best flankers tend to be reasonably quick and 12s are rarely the fastest backs in the team.

Someone like Sam Hill who is basically a pure crash ball merchant, would his role be done less effectively by someone like Ben Earl?

Think of the years of Noon and Tindall, would we have lost anything by sticking prime Haskell or Croft in one of those positions? Croft would've comfortably outrun either of them.

Teach them to pass properly and a flanker would be doing a better job than a surprising number of professional 12s.
wasn't there a Flanker / lock who filled in pretty successfully in the backs for a few games ? Forrester ?
Can't think of anyone who did it for a sustained period, but I feel like we might have had Narraway or someone doing 10 minutes there due to injuries.
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eldanielfire wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:Anyway, who’s ready for more ill-conceived cockeyed nonsense masquerading as rugby journalism?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ix-nations

Kitson losing his mind again.
What offence are you taking with that column? Kitson certainly does talk rubbish frequently, but I think he raises a few good points, is a team of all rounders vulnerable to a team of specialists? Rugby academies in England certainly do frequently choose size over skill.
The idea that players with a range of skills hasn't been a thing for at least the last ten years
The idea that Kruis' attempted kick was a thing worth praising
JJ being touted as some kind of complete newcomer to the wing
Treating Eddie Jones' nonsense about Nowell & Earl as something worth considering just because a few players have played in very similar positions to those they normally play in


How the fuck do we get to this breathless ill-considered nonsense about "numbers don't matter" and "backs and forwards are interchangeable" from Eddie picking a few players in not their best positions and then talking a load of guff about stuff he'll never do?
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