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No finishing the season then, looks like i'm back in level 6 which is too much for this old carcass!


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No finishing the season then, looks like i'm back in level 6 which is too much for this old carcass!

London 1?
My club relegated to level 8. Were adrift at second bottom and hadn't won a match since just before Christmas so not too upset.
I wonder if Ealing are still pursuing legal counsel now Falcons are promoted?


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Newcastle back ... but (I only skimmed this), no one dropping (yet)?

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... remiership


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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


Eddie has a 50% record against NZ, and that loss could have gone either way. Regardless how bad Australia are, it's still 7 wins out of 7 against them (avg 16 point winning margin). He managed an 18 match unbeaten run, 2 Six Nations out of 4 (could easily be 3 out of 5 if they finish it).

But sure, he did finish 5th in a Six Nations once, and he lost a World Cup final...


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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


Eddie has a 50% record against NZ, and that loss could have gone either way. Regardless how bad Australia are, it's still 7 wins out of 7 against them (avg 16 point winning margin). He managed an 18 match unbeaten run, 2 Six Nations out of 4 (could easily be 3 out of 5 if they finish it).

But sure, he did finish 5th in a Six Nations once, and he lost a World Cup final...



I'm not saying he's rubbish, but he's not the messiah either. There's a lot of revisionism around Lancaster's entire tenure due to the very poor World Cup. Eddie's iproved on that, but not to the extent some maintain.

Under him our wins against France and Ireland in the 6Ns have dropped, though they've gone up against Wales. South Africa remain a huge problem side (even when they were going through their shite/rebuilding patch) albeit less so than under the previous regime.


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Newcastle back ... but (I only skimmed this), no one dropping (yet)?

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... remiership


PRL is not under the auspices of the RFU, so they have to work out themselves what they;re going to do. They're still angling to try and get some sort of play-off and final in.


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That said, it feels so long since the rugby was on that I forgot all about Sarries!!! :lol: :blush:


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No issues with Eddie being the guy to take us forward. If COVID-19 hadn't happened, then yeah I'd be more dubious about it, but rugby's going to be in massive upheaval and there's zero sense in gambling. The only real downside is if it means the RFU is stuck paying huge money to someone in a time when they simply can't afford to.


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https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/league-positions-for-professional-and-community-game-confirmed?fbclid=IwAR3fs93l-WDSFZmS-4-Tj7r4-rAUmttBQirhof_S7PZLOZD8Oi5FpUym-Hs

No finishing the season then, looks like i'm back in level 6 which is too much for this old carcass!

London 1?
My club relegated to level 8. Were adrift at second bottom and hadn't won a match since just before Christmas so not too upset.
I wonder if Ealing are still pursuing legal counsel now Falcons are promoted?


Couldn't reply on my phone- I thought we were in London2 still, we're back in London2 :lol: Shows how much attention i pay...


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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


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sockwithaticket wrote:
Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

He has only played them twice, and the win came in a RWC semi final. The other match was a Marius Joker TMO decision away from a win too.

It's fine to take aim at Jones's tenure, but not using Lancaster's time which really doesn't bear comparison.

Jones: 78%, 2 6N titles (1 GS), World Cup final
Lancaster: 60%, 0 6N titles, Pool stages exit


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A great try I haven't seen in ages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7_L4nH1jb0

2:23 in for the start of the try


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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


Eddie has a 50% record against NZ, and that loss could have gone either way. Regardless how bad Australia are, it's still 7 wins out of 7 against them (avg 16 point winning margin). He managed an 18 match unbeaten run, 2 Six Nations out of 4 (could easily be 3 out of 5 if they finish it).

But sure, he did finish 5th in a Six Nations once, and he lost a World Cup final...



I'm not saying he's rubbish, but he's not the messiah either. There's a lot of revisionism around Lancaster's entire tenure due to the very poor World Cup. Eddie's iproved on that, but not to the extent some maintain.

Under him our wins against France and Ireland in the 6Ns have dropped, though they've gone up against Wales. South Africa remain a huge problem side (even when they were going through their shite/rebuilding patch) albeit less so than under the previous regime.

We can sometimes be too critical of Lancaster, but the World Cup was phenomenally humiliating. Tempting the mockers sure but that was as humiliating as it will ever get. After that we've had a bloke with the highest win % of any England coach.

He's eccentric but I maintain this all rugby coaches make weird selection calls. Lancaster was mr sensible, mr down to earth and we still got Burgess. I dug out my xbox the other day and playing RWC11 I rediscovered Shontayne Hape. At least most of Eddie's calls work.


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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


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One could look at the beginning of Burt's term too. Both the selection and performance in those initial wins which got Burt the job were miserably bad, which isn't to say he did no good, and isn't to say he couldn't come back and make a much better job of it in the future


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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


Eddie has a 50% record against NZ, and that loss could have gone either way. Regardless how bad Australia are, it's still 7 wins out of 7 against them (avg 16 point winning margin). He managed an 18 match unbeaten run, 2 Six Nations out of 4 (could easily be 3 out of 5 if they finish it).

But sure, he did finish 5th in a Six Nations once, and he lost a World Cup final...

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Over-egging it. We still lose to South Africa most of the time and Eddie has one win over NZ, same as Lancaster.

We had a good record against everyone else under the previous regime and while Bomber never won us a 6 Nations we always won 4 out of 5 and finished second. Eddie gave us a 5th place finish remember?. Australia have been getting steadily worse to the point where beating them isn't actually that much of an achievement (no matter how good it might feel at the time).


Eddie has a 50% record against NZ, and that loss could have gone either way. Regardless how bad Australia are, it's still 7 wins out of 7 against them (avg 16 point winning margin). He managed an 18 match unbeaten run, 2 Six Nations out of 4 (could easily be 3 out of 5 if they finish it).

But sure, he did finish 5th in a Six Nations once, and he lost a World Cup final...

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As you'll see from my reply, we've dropped more games against Ireland and France in the 6Ns under Eddie.

One thing I didn't say is that if we get credit for finishing close against NZ/games that could go either way then Lancaster's got 3 games that ended within a score

The first half of his time with us was impressive, though cracks in performance were starting to show in 2017. Until the World Cup the second half of his reign was incredibly mixed and I maintain that we didn't meet any realistic challengers in that tournament until the semi-final when we did put NZ to the sword with a very impressive performance.


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We thumped 3/4 of the Rugby Championship sides!


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I'm worried we're getting cabin fever here :shock:


(No Burt please, lancaster or useless plum will suffice)

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We thumped 3/4 of the Rugby Championship sides!


True and only one of those we beat was a worthwhile opponent. Australia and Argentina have been crap for years now.


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A great try I haven't seen in ages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7_L4nH1jb0

2:23 in for the start of the try

Thats a magnificent try. Start to finish great hands and working the space. :thumbup: :thumbup:


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We thumped 3/4 of the Rugby Championship sides!


True and only one of those we beat was a worthwhile opponent. Australia and Argentina have been crap for years now.

The tournament also proved its very hard to get up week after week to sides as good as you 3 weeks or more in a row.

SA are also a bit of a poison for us, albeit not sure going forward because they've had alot of retirements this year. I'm not sure what the answer to it is though. If they are good at defending very well, are bigger than everyone and very rarely lose shape in defence, very few will beat them.

Sadly the games about size, we don't produce A. that many big players, B. those who are big are of the international calibre that we have. There's also no guarantee going wide was going to work either. In the years prior, going wide hasn't paid us massive dividends. NZ are better equipped for moments of inspiration but we don't play like that. I also think they had a far less taxing physical and mental route to the final and it really did help sock. Again, don't blame Jones for that. He couldn't do anything anyway, we'd topped the group and the final game got rained off ala the Typhoon so it was out of his hands anyway.


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Newcastle back ... but (I only skimmed this), no one dropping (yet)?

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... remiership


Typical of a Welshman (Shingler of Ealing) to say that despite being beaten by Falcons with a TBP (in their home game) they were the better side and pointing out that their game in hand was against Yorkshire. I suppose we could award them a moral promotion. It would appear that they want the play offs to take place to give them another chance. Problem with that is that they are almost certain to lose again, but the big losers would be Falcons, unable to finalise their squad for next season until these unnecessary games are over. Can't see the RFU changing their minds though, that would be totally out of character.


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Newcastle back ... but (I only skimmed this), no one dropping (yet)?

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... remiership


Typical of a Welshman (Shingler of Ealing) to say that despite being beaten by Falcons with a TBP (in their home game) they were the better side and pointing out that their game in hand was against Yorkshire. I suppose we could award them a moral promotion. It would appear that they want the play offs to take place to give them another chance. Problem with that is that they are almost certain to lose again, but the big losers would be Falcons, unable to finalise their squad for next season until these unnecessary games are over. Can't see the RFU changing their minds though, that would be totally out of character.

I can't see why ealing are taking this position. They don't even want promotion for the next few seasons, unless they've decided covid has sped up ring fencing.


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Newcastle back ... but (I only skimmed this), no one dropping (yet)?

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... remiership


Typical of a Welshman (Shingler of Ealing) to say that despite being beaten by Falcons with a TBP (in their home game) they were the better side and pointing out that their game in hand was against Yorkshire. I suppose we could award them a moral promotion. It would appear that they want the play offs to take place to give them another chance. Problem with that is that they are almost certain to lose again, but the big losers would be Falcons, unable to finalise their squad for next season until these unnecessary games are over. Can't see the RFU changing their minds though, that would be totally out of character.

I was at the Newcastle Ealing game - no doubt who the better side is.


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We thumped 3/4 of the Rugby Championship sides!


True and only one of those we beat was a worthwhile opponent. Australia and Argentina have been crap for years now.

I'm sorry, this opinion is mad. The Aussies beat the ABs last year.


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A few Opta stats based teams for what there was of the prem season

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/a ... son-review


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Doesn't look like they bothered looking at any negative stats!


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Doesn't look like they bothered looking at any negative stats!


Nope. I've got a lot of time for Ollie Hoskins, but he's a penalty magnet. Marcus Smith was also second only to Cips in missed tackles in the last full set of stats they released (I think) after round 12


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Smith has a 74% tackle success rate, which doesn't seem too bad for a midget youngster.


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We thumped 3/4 of the Rugby Championship sides!


True and only one of those we beat was a worthwhile opponent. Australia and Argentina have been crap for years now.

I'm sorry, this opinion is mad. The Aussies beat the ABs last year.



What's mad is thinking that result in isolation means anything. The following week the ABs buried them 36 - 0. Australia getting the odd victory or draw over NZ during the last decade happens, it's bound to when you play the same team 3 or 4 times a year. In so far as you can say typically of such occasional results, they've typically been in the dead rubber extra test played after the Bledisloe cup has already been retained by the Kiwis or in the truncated Rugby Championship that occurs in a RWC year.

Australia lost each other test they played against tier 1 opposition in 2019, including Wales, who haven't beaten the ABs in decades.


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Smith has a 74% tackle success rate, which doesn't seem too bad for a midget youngster.


Yeah, probably better than Faz tbf


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We thumped 3/4 of the Rugby Championship sides!


True and only one of those we beat was a worthwhile opponent. Australia and Argentina have been crap for years now.

The tournament also proved its very hard to get up week after week to sides as good as you 3 weeks or more in a row.

SA are also a bit of a poison for us, albeit not sure going forward because they've had alot of retirements this year. I'm not sure what the answer to it is though. If they are good at defending very well, are bigger than everyone and very rarely lose shape in defence, very few will beat them.

Sadly the games about size, we don't produce A. that many big players, B. those who are big are of the international calibre that we have. There's also no guarantee going wide was going to work either. In the years prior, going wide hasn't paid us massive dividends. NZ are better equipped for moments of inspiration but we don't play like that. I also think they had a far less taxing physical and mental route to the final and it really did help sock. Again, don't blame Jones for that. He couldn't do anything anyway, we'd topped the group and the final game got rained off ala the Typhoon so it was out of his hands anyway.


We could have beaten nz or the boks as a one off but the nz game was titanic. selection bummed us a bit against the boks, didn't respect the set piece.


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Just saw they announced yesterday the final standing of the National Leagues 1, 2, North and South with adjusted standings. Thought they might just nullify the season as they did at the same level in Wendyball but they got enough games played I guess.


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Found this on page 97 :P


Will Hurrell retires with immediate effect following the stroke he suffered against Tigers.

Tigers sign some Irish centre called Dan Kelly :?:


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Tigers sign some Irish centre called Dan Kelly :?:


Not sure that's a good move. He will only criticise their lockdown measures.


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Tigers sign some Irish centre called Dan Kelly :?:


Not sure that's a good move. He will only criticise their lockdown measures.


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Jonny May back to Glaws.


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Jonny May back to Glaws.


Him and that young taff lad on the wings - that's some serious gas


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Jonny May back to Glaws.


Him and that young taff lad on the wings - that's some serious gas


And Thornley, and Marshall.

Spending well.


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Jonny May back to Glaws.


Him and that young taff lad on the wings - that's some serious gas


And Thornley, and Marshall.

Spending well.


Woodward too don’t forget. That really is as good a back 3 selection as anyone in the league. As chuffed as I am to have Jonny back it really isn’t where our problems have been though. We need a decent tight head far more at the moment and a consistent goal kicker.


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