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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:12 am 
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Just saw a news snippet about the USN Comfort hospital ship (converted oil tanker)- made me think when the current virus passes and the world gets back to semblance of normality , then the uk govt could do lot worse than follow this plan of mine:
1. Order a new hospital ship to made in a UK doc, using UK steel, and equip it with a full range of facilities.

2. Mothball it unless it’s needed

3. Go back to point 1


Would boost some docks employment, sustain a key raw material producer in the UK, and would boost the uk armed defence capability in wartime / uk health care provision in peace crisis time.
It could also be sent when there is a tsunami or someplace around the world and a country needs aid.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:17 am 
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Just saw a news snippet about the USN Comfort hospital ship (converted oil tanker)- made me think when the current virus passes and the world gets back to semblance of normality , then the uk govt could do lot worse than follow this plan of mine:
1. Order a new hospital ship to made in a UK doc, using UK steel, and equip it with a full range of facilities.

2. Mothball it unless it’s needed

3. Go back to point 1


Would boost some docks employment, sustain a key raw material producer in the UK, and would boost the uk armed defence capability in wartime / uk health care provision in peace crisis time.
It could also be sent when there is a tsunami or someplace around the world and a country needs aid.



Our version of a mothballed ship is radically different to the US, if only due to scale


USN has literally hundreds of ships mothballed that can be elasticated fairly quickly - if you're mothballing at scale the incremental cost if adding one additional ship is clise to zero - adding a single ship that needs 1 day if 1 FTE per month is a nothing cost. For us..... our re-activayable reserve is close to zero. So to mothball a ship.like that would be EXPENSIVE


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:20 am 
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backrow wrote:
Just saw a news snippet about the USN Comfort hospital ship (converted oil tanker)- made me think when the current virus passes and the world gets back to semblance of normality , then the uk govt could do lot worse than follow this plan of mine:
1. Order a new hospital ship to made in a UK doc, using UK steel, and equip it with a full range of facilities.

2. Mothball it unless it’s needed

3. Go back to point 1


Would boost some docks employment, sustain a key raw material producer in the UK, and would boost the uk armed defence capability in wartime / uk health care provision in peace crisis time.
It could also be sent when there is a tsunami or someplace around the world and a country needs aid.



Our version of a mothballed ship is radically different to the US, if only due to scale


USN has literally hundreds of ships mothballed that can be elasticated fairly quickly - if you're mothballing at scale the incremental cost if adding one additional ship is clise to zero - adding a single ship that needs 1 day if 1 FTE per month is a nothing cost. For us..... our re-activayable reserve is close to zero. So to mothball a ship.like that would be EXPENSIVE


Would mothballing ever really be likely to happen when there are tsunamis and famines and things happening even before corona virus ?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:24 am 
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backrow wrote:
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backrow wrote:
Just saw a news snippet about the USN Comfort hospital ship (converted oil tanker)- made me think when the current virus passes and the world gets back to semblance of normality , then the uk govt could do lot worse than follow this plan of mine:
1. Order a new hospital ship to made in a UK doc, using UK steel, and equip it with a full range of facilities.

2. Mothball it unless it’s needed

3. Go back to point 1


Would boost some docks employment, sustain a key raw material producer in the UK, and would boost the uk armed defence capability in wartime / uk health care provision in peace crisis time.
It could also be sent when there is a tsunami or someplace around the world and a country needs aid.



Our version of a mothballed ship is radically different to the US, if only due to scale


USN has literally hundreds of ships mothballed that can be elasticated fairly quickly - if you're mothballing at scale the incremental cost if adding one additional ship is clise to zero - adding a single ship that needs 1 day if 1 FTE per month is a nothing cost. For us..... our re-activayable reserve is close to zero. So to mothball a ship.like that would be EXPENSIVE


Would mothballing ever really be likely to happen when there are tsunamis and famines and things happening even before corona virus ?



That's an entirely different question, and now you're talking about how we spend the foreign aid budget which then brings questions about how, if this vessel is funded out of that budget, we bring it back home for this sort of crisis. For all the flexibility our version of a constitution gives us, we run into trouble with these sorts of common sense issues.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:04 am 
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Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:33 am 
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ovalball wrote:
Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


Reminded me a bit of this...

https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:34 am 
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Clogs wrote:
ovalball wrote:
Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


Reminded me a bit of this...

https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI


Yeah, Gates was quite premiscent


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:18 pm 
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backrow wrote:
Clogs wrote:
ovalball wrote:
Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


Reminded me a bit of this...

https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI


Yeah, Gates was quite premiscent


Premiscent ?? Did you mean prescient ?

He certainly got this one right.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:45 pm 
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Yeah, that one


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:59 pm 
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This is under consideration I think:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/new-bri ... -proposed/


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:57 pm 
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ovalball wrote:
Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


I dunno my main takeway is the Chinese regime cannot be trusted at all and its acceptance as trusted part of the global economic system was a huge mistake.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:21 pm 
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tc27 wrote:
ovalball wrote:
Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


I dunno my main takeway is the Chinese regime cannot be trusted at all and its acceptance as trusted part of the global economic system was a huge mistake.


Uncanny, My main takeaway is also Chinese


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:51 pm 
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Think Defence on twitter have posted this suggestion a few times. Don't know anything about mothballing etc but I think the RN could find uses for it. Plus if it has a Tri-Service input it would provide much needed experience and real time training for the Defence Medical Services.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:17 am 
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backrow wrote:
tc27 wrote:
ovalball wrote:
Not such a bad idea.

We've spent 100s of billions on Defence against the perceived dangers of foreign countries - then it turns out that the biggest danger comes from a totally different source. Perhaps we should review where such funds are best spent to protect the UK.


I dunno my main takeway is the Chinese regime cannot be trusted at all and its acceptance as trusted part of the global economic system was a huge mistake.


Uncanny, My main takeaway is also Chinese



:lol: :lol: :lol: Very good.


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