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Whos Going to Lead the Labor Rabble

Albo
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35%
Plibbers
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5%
Bowen
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5%
Chalmers
4
20%
Uncle Tony
1
5%
Clive Palmer
3
15%
George Smith
3
15%
 
Total votes: 20

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oh yeah but
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guy smiley wrote:The hidden question in this election is just how big a shitfight are the Libs leaving behind themselves for Labor to wear? How much debt, how many dodgy deals, how many biased appointments...

they've done a fine job of sabotaging the whole country. And as for that choice between STIs, while I am cynical about the machinations of Big Politics, there is no way in hell the ALP come close to the depths of merde the coalition have plumbed over the last decade. The comparison is pathetic.
To get their 'surplus' for next year the lnp have cut everything and looking to sell anything not nailed down. There are large scale cuts being scheduled for all departments but nobody has worked it out yet. Home Affairs cuts have been publicised or exposed depending on your perspective but there will be others. For the last couple of years the LNP have been running down the PS and kicking the can down the road on when services will have to be cut. This hits next year so Labor will inherit a shitfight in the PS, many contracts that they will be saddled with and perhaps be forced to complete transactions that the LNP initiated just prior to caretaker mode. Whilst some may say 'every govt does this' it is on an unprecedented scale.

Traditionally Labor don't do a night of long knives and use process to pursue enemies but it may this time as the sheer scale of malfeasance has been off the charts. The last 3 LNP governments have basically stolen money from the public coffers to give to special interest groups, mates, associates and in some cases to themselves. The outsourcing and other commercial deals they have signed up for are third world level of corrupt.
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Brumbie_Steve wrote:
guy smiley wrote:The hidden question in this election is just how big a shitfight are the Libs leaving behind themselves for Labor to wear? How much debt, how many dodgy deals, how many biased appointments...

they've done a fine job of sabotaging the whole country. And as for that choice between STIs, while I am cynical about the machinations of Big Politics, there is no way in hell the ALP come close to the depths of merde the coalition have plumbed over the last decade. The comparison is pathetic.
To get their 'surplus' for next year the lnp have cut everything and looking to sell anything not nailed down. There are large scale cuts being scheduled for all departments but nobody has worked it out yet. Home Affairs cuts have been publicised or exposed depending on your perspective but there will be others. For the last couple of years the LNP have been running down the PS and kicking the can down the road on when services will have to be cut. This hits next year so Labor will inherit a shitfight in the PS, many contracts that they will be saddled with and perhaps be forced to complete transactions that the LNP initiated just prior to caretaker mode. Whilst some may say 'every govt does this' it is on an unprecedented scale.

Traditionally Labor don't do a night of long knives and use process to pursue enemies but it may this time as the sheer scale of malfeasance has been off the charts. The last 3 LNP governments have basically stolen money from the public coffers to give to special interest groups, mates, associates and in some cases to themselves. The outsourcing and other commercial deals they have signed up for are third world level of corrupt.

yup.
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The Liberal party has pledged to cut $1.5 billion in spending on the public service over the next four years, to fund promises made during the election campaign.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann made the announcement in Melbourne, saying the efficiency dividend would stay at 2 per cent over the next two years, reducing to 1.5 per cent in 2021-22 and 1 per cent the following year.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Minister for Finance and the Public Service Mathias Cormann made the announcement. Picture: Alex Ellinghausen


The extension would mean a reduction of $136 million in 2019-20, $379 million in 2020-21, jumping to $506 million in 2021 and $493 million in 2022-23.
A Coalition statement said this amount would increase to $5 billion over the medium term.

MORE ELECTION NEWS
Labor's public service promise: No forced cuts to conditions
Liberals say a cut to contractor spend is a $2.1 billion cut to public service spending
Exemptions to the efficiency dividend will apply to agencies with average staffing levels below 200, and to the national collecting institutions, which includes the Australian War Memorial, the National Archives of Australia, National Gallery of Australia, National Library of Australia and National Museum of Australia.
Agencies such as the National Disability Insurance Agency, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority will also be excluded.
The existing exclusion for Australian Signals Directorate and the Office of National Intelligence will be extended.
The spending cut has been framed by the Coalition as a similar saving to the one promised by Labor, where the opposition has promised a $2.6 billion reduction in spending on contractors, consultants and travel.
In a statement released with the costings Mr Frydenberg and Senator Cormann said the Coalition measure would give departmental secretaries the power to decide where cuts would be made.
"If departmental secretaries assess that these efficiencies can best be secured through reductions in expenditure on contractors, consultants and travel, because that makes sense from a value-for-money point of view, then of course that is what the Coalition would expect them to do," the statement said.
"Efficiency outcomes will be better and more sensible by letting departmental secretaries make those judgements based on value-for-money considerations."
In contrast, last week Labor committed to forgoing 0.5 per cent of the efficiency dividend from next financial year.


Shadow Assistant Treasurer Andrew Leigh said it was "gutless" that the Liberal party had waited until two days before the election to make the announcement when many Canberrans had already cast a pre-poll vote.
"After literally decimating the public service, the Liberals are planning massive cuts in the future," he said.
"The choice on polling day couldn't be starker - between a progressive Labor Party that will scrap the staffing cap and not proceed with the additional efficiency dividend, versus a Liberal Party that will inflict further cuts on the public service."
Greens ACT Senate candidate Penny Kyburz said it was an "apalling attack" on the public service.
"On the eve of the election, to make this announcement shows their continued disregard for Canberra and the hard working public servants who are struggling to fulfill their remits with ever dwindling resources," she said.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14350
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It would be best if Labor list all the cuts they have to deal with, and the minister that signed them off immediately after a victory.

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It is actually surreal that anybody seriously considers voting for them. Have you seen Mighty Reds spruiking for Clive Palmer?

I have also decided that the phrase 'Yeah, good onya ScoMo' is going to become part of the Australian lexicon.
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Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.
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Ali's Choice wrote:Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

He's another plum that cant die fast enough. Don't worry Alan I'm sure they have public toilets for you to perform lewd acts in.
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Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

He's another plum that cant die fast enough. Don't worry Alan I'm sure they have public toilets for you to perform lewd acts in.
Apparently, he's promised to quit if Labor win.
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guy smiley wrote:
Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

He's another plum that cant die fast enough. Don't worry Alan I'm sure they have public toilets for you to perform lewd acts in.
Apparently, he's promised to quit if Labor win.
Quit performing lewd acts in public toilets? Surely at his age that would be retirement rather than resignation.

Quit what?
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Brumbie_Steve wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Allan Jones on Sky News pleading with viewers to vote for the Coalition, He just boasted that the Coalition will win Saturday's election and that the ALP won't pick up a single seat outside Victoria.

He's another plum that cant die fast enough. Don't worry Alan I'm sure they have public toilets for you to perform lewd acts in.
Apparently, he's promised to quit if Labor win.
Quit performing lewd acts in public toilets? Surely at his age that would be retirement rather than resignation.

Quit what?
Presumably, his Messianic role at 2GB, as that was where he made the promise. Threat. Entreaty.
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I'm just not seeing the momentum for the Coalition that Allan Jones is desperately telling us exists. Morrison started the campaign off well, but has fizzled over the past fortnight. He lost all three leaders debates ffs. I know the public is luke warm on Shorten, but I just don't see how Morrison has done enough to pull this back. Perhaps the unprecedented UAP spend will get the Coalition home on preferences? I think UAP will just steal the far right vote off One Nation, those two parties are fighting for the same political base.
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Andrew Bolt on Sky News also claiming victory in this election for the Coalition. He's claiming that the dramatic change in public opinion that will deliver Morrison an election win on Saturday is the result of the public no longer believing in Climate Change.
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Ali's Choice wrote:Andrew Bolt on Sky News also claiming victory in this election for the Coalition. He's claiming that the dramatic change in public opinion that will deliver Morrison an election win on Saturday is the result of the public no longer believing in Climate Change.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm going to invoke Anthony Green and call a Labor victory off the back of that.
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Bob Hawke gooooone

Just saw he has passed.
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The most remarkable thing about this article is that it's from News Ltd...

ScoMo delivers master class in dodging the question in Press Club address
Scott Morrison today gave a master class in the critical skill he has absorbed over the past five weeks of non-stop, energy sapping campaigning.

How not to answer questions. Because responding to them fully might betray a possibility of change, the great sin the Liberals argue should be pinned on the ALP and one Labor warmly accepts.

Non-answers might be excusably routine for some politicians, but the Liberal leader began his address to the National Press Club by congratulating himself on being accountable 48 hours out from polling day. Except he wasn’t accountable.

It was an address and subsequent question-and-answer period without a salute to his Liberal Party — the organisation that put him in Parliament and The Lodge — and with no list of achievements, and no specific promise of them.



And few coherent answers. Mr Morrison has learned it is safer to answer the question he wants asked, not the one actually tossed at him by reporters.

So today he was asked about Malcolm Turnbull and spoke at length about Greg Hunt; he was asked about wage growth and gave a mini lecture on Labor’s housing policy; he responded to an inquiry about pensions with an attack on Labor’s policy on the dole; he deflected two questions about how Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton allowing accused murderers in as refugees by simply not offering any direct answer and praising intelligence agencies.

The no-go areas of the prime minister’s final national television appeal weren’t the most extraordinary aspect of Mr Morrison’s appearance. That title goes to his convoluted rationalisation that he was not offering anything fresh to the voters, and that this was good.
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Farva wrote:Bob Hawke gooooone

Just saw he has passed.
:shock: :((

RIP Bob.
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My fellow Australians, please vote the LNP out.

Do it for Bob.
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Caley_Red wrote:Still looks like it'll be an ALP win but the polls have narrowed dramatically over the last month.

It'll be interesting to see how my seat, Wentworth, goes in the election- same Liberal candidate standing against independent incumbent.

I can't vote in Australian elections but will be eating some sausages whilst the other half does :D
The anger over Turnbull's axing seems to have dissipated and Get Up hasn't been as active on the ground this time.

Word is that Sharma will get in.
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Unemployment up, letting murders secretly into the country in a people swap, savage cuts to get to this mythical surplus. Surely these plum can’t get voted back in?
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A friend was at an event where Peta Credlin all but admitted it's over.

Hopefully [/Mockers]
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Vuaka wrote:
Caley_Red wrote:Still looks like it'll be an ALP win but the polls have narrowed dramatically over the last month.

It'll be interesting to see how my seat, Wentworth, goes in the election- same Liberal candidate standing against independent incumbent.

I can't vote in Australian elections but will be eating some sausages whilst the other half does :D
The anger over Turnbull's axing seems to have dissipated and Get Up hasn't been as active on the ground this time.

Word is that Sharma will get in.
Wentworth is one of the wealthiest, most conservative electorates in Australia. The fact that they ever lost Wentworth is an indictement to the Liberals. Sharma is a strong candidate and if he wins it shouldn' surprise anyone.

This election is going to be close. But if the ALP this will be the first Federal Election where News Corp have not backed the winning party. It will effectively be the end of the Murdoch control over Australia's political power.
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What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?
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J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?

The ALP, just. Should be romping in, but Scummo is more popular than Shorty, and he has run a very clever and effective campaign.
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J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?
Bookies have Labor at 1.14 and the coalition at 5.75

Sportsbet have paid out on a Labor win as they don't want to take any more money on them
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What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?
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Abbott provides further motivation for voting for Steggall

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It highlights his "strength" of absolute focus on the issues he thinks are important (that made him a good opposition leader) and the negative that he is a unware "c*nt" who can't be just respectful and show compassion
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wamberal99 wrote:What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?
Who is sworn in
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749a wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?
Who is sworn in

Well, the smart money usually gets it right. Here's hoping. I want to enjoy my Saturday night!
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wamberal99 wrote:
749a wrote:
wamberal99 wrote:What qualifies as a "win"? Most seats, or the ability to form a government?
Who is sworn in

Well, the smart money usually gets it right. Here's hoping. I want to enjoy my Saturday night!
And so say all of us :lol:
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749a wrote:
J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?
Bookies have Labor at 1.14 and the coalition at 5.75

Sportsbet have paid out on a Labor win as they don't want to take any more money on them
:thumbup:

That has slightly unknotted my gut...
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Despite the polls seemingly being tight, for the Coalition to win they still have to actually win seats off Labor to be able to form Government... and that's looking tough...

They're now on track to lose Corangamite...

Abbott is giving the voters of Warringah more reasons not to vote for him...

Dutton looks like he might hang onto Dickson...

And the Greens have a good chance in Higgins... the ACTU now putting them ahead of Labor on how to vote cards.
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Taranaki Snapper wrote:
749a wrote:
J Man wrote:What are the polls saying? Who is most likely to win this?
Bookies have Labor at 1.14 and the coalition at 5.75

Sportsbet have paid out on a Labor win as they don't want to take any more money on them
:thumbup:

That has slightly unknotted my gut...
We are all, I think, seasoned enough to not count our chickens early and polling can be notoriously inaccurate...

but seriously, the whole country has been dismissive of the LNP for a year or more now (outside of Newscorp). It's hard to see how they could remain in power. The likely scenario is enough of a shift in the narrow margin seats to allow Labor a majority. The LNP haven't really managed to convince anyone of anything, the issue is voter disenchantment with politics in general and distaste for mainstream parties.

The wild card is smaller parties and independents.
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The betting agencies are usually accurate

Next Election - Sworn in Government
Labor. 1.14.
Coalition. 5.75.

and by how far
Labor 76 to 80 seats 2.75
Labor 81 to 85 seats 3.00
Labor 86 to 90 seats 3.25


Labor 91 to 100 seats 6.00

And Abbott's seat

Warringah (NSW) WinnerSat 18 May 18:00 Party wins seat. At Final Count.
Zali Steggall (Independent) 1.60
Tony Abbott (Coalition) 2.25
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Fairfax have now put out their editorial backing Shorten...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/shor ... 51o1a.html


The Guardian are backing "not the Liberals"...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -emergency


It will be interesting to see what the Murdoch rags come out with tonight.
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Scratch that...

The Australian and Daily Telegraph's editorials were buried in their sites, but they're rooting for the "stability" of a Coalition government.
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Abbott copping some justified flak this morning...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-17/ ... e/11122654
Former prime minister Tony Abbott has been criticised for a "tasteless" tribute to Bob Hawke, who he described as having a "Labor heart but a Liberal head".

Mr Hawke died aged 89 last night, and Mr Abbott posted a statement describing Mr Hawke as "Labor's greatest prime minister", before taking a swipe at his political opponents.

"But his key achievements — financial deregulation, tariffs cuts, and the beginnings of privatisation — went against the Labor grain, as Labor's more recent policy direction shows," his statement read.

"You might also say he had a Labor heart, but a Liberal head."

The Member for Warringah — who is locked in a tight tussle to hold his seat this weekend — was accused of politicising Mr Hawke's death.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison criticised Mr Abbott's statement.

"Well, they're not the words I obviously used," he said.

"I think everyone was seeking to be generous about that.

"I mean, a Liberal saying that, I would hope, would not seek to be partisan.

"I think it was more about a broad spectrum of views he was able to embrace ... and that's certainly how I choose to look at that."


Speaking on radio station 2GB this morning, Mr Abbott defended his statement and credited the Coalition for supporting Mr Hawke's biggest reforms.

He said he was trying to highlight how Mr Hawke was admired by both sides of politics.

"Bob Hawke had a remarkable ability ... to reach across party lines and a lot of things he did in the early 80s … were things that people felt might have been done by the Fraser government," Mr Abbott said.
'Abbott is a man under pressure'

Speaking on ABC News Breakfast, Labor leader Bill Shorten chuckled as he repeated Mr Abbott's "Liberal head" statement.

"I suspect Tony Abbott is a man under pressure," Mr Shorten said.

"I know Bob, I don't think he would've paid too much attention to what Tony Abbott said to be honest."

After releasing his statement last night, Mr Abbott subsequently posted a photo of himself and Hawke from 2015, extending condolences to his family but making no reference to his previous tweet.

"He had a the capacity to reach out to everyone across party lines. He was a great Australian," he wrote.

"Margie and I extend our deepest sympathies to Blanche and his family."

Mr Abbott's statement was widely condemned on social media.

"A rare combination of thoughtless, tactless, heartless, clueless and tasteless," The Monthly's Richard Cooke tweeted.

Olympian Nova Peris tweeted: "What an awful statement. Shame on you."

Labor figures rejected suggestions Mr Hawke held Liberal sentiments, with federal senator and former NSW premier and Kristina Keneally noting the Liberals had opposed him on several signature policies.

"[Tony Abbott] is wrong on the facts and so wrong in his sentiment," she said.

I reckon the ALP will gain some voter momentum from Hawke's passing and random whackjobbery like this from Mr Rabbit will only feed that impetus.
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Please tell me Abbott is sitting on one of the TV panels tomorrow night...

I would love another John Pesutto moment:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-24/ ... v/10552112
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Would be a bigger upset than Trump or Brexit at those odds
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