Re: Ozzie election thread mk II
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:10 am
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You could say the same thing about just about everything both Rudd and Abbott have said and done throughout this campaign. It was a funny moment, nothing more, nothing less._fatprop wrote:But isn't that preaching to the converted a bit? It is an easy thing to smack, but in this election, how many votes will the stance actually move to the Labor Party?Ali's Choice wrote:Yeah made me laugh too. You could actually see the pastor's anger turn to hate, and then humiliation once he realised he was being publicly shamed.Vuaka wrote:I thought it was pretty funny. You could see the anger welling within the pastor when put on the spot about homosexuality, choking on his words.... and ended with the audience laughing at him.
Absolutely, everything is contrived to grab and keep those votes from the centre, I just don't see how this "funny moment" creates or adds momentum to Rudd's side from the centre.Ali's Choice wrote:You could say the same thing about just about everything both Rudd and Abbott have said and done throughout this campaign. It was a funny moment, nothing more, nothing less._fatprop wrote:But isn't that preaching to the converted a bit? It is an easy thing to smack, but in this election, how many votes will the stance actually move to the Labor Party?Ali's Choice wrote:Yeah made me laugh too. You could actually see the pastor's anger turn to hate, and then humiliation once he realised he was being publicly shamed.Vuaka wrote:I thought it was pretty funny. You could see the anger welling within the pastor when put on the spot about homosexuality, choking on his words.... and ended with the audience laughing at him.
Who said it would gain him votes? Can't you just take a light hearted moment for what it was? You strike me as someone who leads a rather joyless life, defined by whingeing and complaining about others. A real 'glass half empty' kind of guy._fatprop wrote:Absolutely, everything is contrived to grab and keep those votes from the centre, I just don't see how this "funny moment" creates or adds momentum to Rudd's side from the centre.
It won't lose him votes, but that ain't Rudd's current problem is it?
From the sounds of things Kevin Rudd isnt a nice person.Sluggy wrote:Just watching K. Rudd on Lateline.
Interested that when he was asked what the alleged $80 billion in alleged LNP cuts was, he ducked, weaved and ran away.
He then moved on to the assertion that there is nothing wrong with the Oz economy.
TJ asked him "Why is it then that people feel are they under stress... "
He blamed the global economy.
Can Snapper or Waratah explain to me why I should believe this prick?
you give me joy Ali, you are getting more whiny by the day, the next 6 years should be quite challenging for you.Ali's Choice wrote:Who said it would gain him votes? Can't you just take a light hearted moment for what it was? You strike me as someone who leads a rather joyless life, defined by whingeing and complaining about others. A real 'glass half empty' kind of guy._fatprop wrote:Absolutely, everything is contrived to grab and keep those votes from the centre, I just don't see how this "funny moment" creates or adds momentum to Rudd's side from the centre.
It won't lose him votes, but that ain't Rudd's current problem is it?
Did you see the other Westie Liberal Fiona Scott on 4 Corners last night? It's no wonder they're hiding these muppets, every time they open their mouths you cringe at the state of Australian politics. She blamed traffic congestion on the M4 on ....... wait for it...... asylum seekers! Apparently the 50k on asylum seekers that arrived on boats last year all travel on the M4 at once.Vuaka wrote:Labor might have the "faceless" men but the Liberals have the "invisible" men (and women).
Apparently for the past two weeks, the Liberals candidates in Western Sydney have refused to engage in debates or be interviewed by the media. Not sure if this extends to News Ltd as they would be painted in the best light regardless.
Where in the world is Jaymes Diaz? Claims to be a lawyer but doesn't have a current practising certificate.
I can't believe this numb nut is going to be a parliamentarian. I guess the people of Greenway will get what they deserve.
Dubya Howard wrote:Sex appeal?
she does appear to be a one term representative, like a few of the other rabbleDubya Howard wrote:Did you see the other Westie Liberal Fiona Scott on 4 Corners last night? It's no wonder they're hiding these muppets, every time they open their mouths you cringe at the state of Australian politics. She blamed traffic congestion on the M4 on ....... wait for it...... asylum seekers! Apparently the 50k on asylum seekers that arrived on boats last year all travel on the M4 at once.Vuaka wrote:Labor might have the "faceless" men but the Liberals have the "invisible" men (and women).
Apparently for the past two weeks, the Liberals candidates in Western Sydney have refused to engage in debates or be interviewed by the media. Not sure if this extends to News Ltd as they would be painted in the best light regardless.
Where in the world is Jaymes Diaz? Claims to be a lawyer but doesn't have a current practising certificate.
I can't believe this numb nut is going to be a parliamentarian. I guess the people of Greenway will get what they deserve.
Let me guess, she's Gen Y?Dumbledore wrote:Who says you should believe him? I met a girl the other night who is one of his media advisors. I told her she was doing a terrible job, she said, and I quote, 'he's an absolute wit kant who won't listen to us.' It's not really anything to do with Rudd, it's that the alternative is so bad it's not really worth contemplating.
You obviously were in Sales and not Tech.inshane wrote:That's how I saw it too.kiap wrote: The FTTH NBN is still the popular option as I see it. Not sure too many punters actually want Malcolm's 2nd rate plan. Best scenario is the Libs do a backflip: "Too far into the process to cancel". But who knows...
Disclosure statement - I've worked in telecoms and data then convergent networking for over 25 years. I'm gagging for FTTH and have every technical and personal reason to prefer it.
But my kids - early to mid 20's professionals wedded to the internet and their laptops for work an play and they think that I'm "out of date"
NONE of them have so much as a telephone line in their homes. All of them have wireless networking and telephones and don't want an old fashioned cable (fibre) tying them to one spot. And almost none of their friends want fibre either.
Maybe the optimum is a hybrid scheme with fibre used to flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet and FTTP for businesses, government and those old enough to like permanence. I know my kids would like that. OTOH the tree huggers would get all kumbaya about the extra "radio-activity"
Insane
Looks like a tranny.towny wrote:Dubya Howard wrote:Sex appeal?
she doesn't really do it for me....
Mr Abbott confirmed categorically on Monday that he would break the Coalition's pledge on greenhouse reduction targets if it cost more money than he had budgeted for.
''We've told you the money we'd spend and we won't spend any more,'' the Opposition Leader said.
Under Mr Abbott's Direct Action plan, farmers and industry will be paid to take action to reduce their emissions. The Coalition has budgeted $3.2 billion over the next four years to do this, plant trees, install more rooftop solar systems and take other measures.
Several attempts to model the outcome of direct action has found it will not deliver the promised 5 per cent cut with the money budgeted. According to independent modelling, the Coalition's policy will likely fall somewhere between $4 billion and $20 billion short of reaching the emissions reduction target.
Mr Abbott does not accept the modelling and says he is ''confident'' the Coalition can reach the 5 per cent reduction target with the money already allocated.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... z2dn8ArqmD
It might become possible in the future to "flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet" but we'd need technology that hasn't been invented yet, and might never be. The kids will just have to put up with uncool fiber for now.Mat the Expat wrote:You obviously were in Sales and not Tech.inshane wrote:That's how I saw it too.kiap wrote: The FTTH NBN is still the popular option as I see it. Not sure too many punters actually want Malcolm's 2nd rate plan. Best scenario is the Libs do a backflip: "Too far into the process to cancel". But who knows...
Disclosure statement - I've worked in telecoms and data then convergent networking for over 25 years. I'm gagging for FTTH and have every technical and personal reason to prefer it.
But my kids - early to mid 20's professionals wedded to the internet and their laptops for work an play and they think that I'm "out of date"
NONE of them have so much as a telephone line in their homes. All of them have wireless networking and telephones and don't want an old fashioned cable (fibre) tying them to one spot. And almost none of their friends want fibre either.
Maybe the optimum is a hybrid scheme with fibre used to flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet and FTTP for businesses, government and those old enough to like permanence. I know my kids would like that. OTOH the tree huggers would get all kumbaya about the extra "radio-activity"
Insane
They might want Wireless in the house and out and about but where does the signal for the wireless come from?
There are few micro-parties with common-sense ideas. I expect that's because their policies are invented by people who mainly want to find solutions to problems.Dumbledore wrote:I don't know anyone who wants Tony/Mewcom's ridiculous NBN scheme. People seem to be desperately hoping the NBN gets to them before the Coalition have the chance to gut the program.
Got a Sex Party flyer in the mail just then. They actually have a lot of genuinely common-sense ideas. Obviously it's easy to say tax and regulate weed if you're a minority party, but if they were to rebrand I can see them getting a seat or two in the near future.
The Sex Party is rather libertarian (no wonder agree with a lot of the proposals)6roucho wrote:There are few micro-parties with common-sense ideas. I expect that's because their policies are invented by people who mainly want to find solutions to problems.Dumbledore wrote:I don't know anyone who wants Tony/Mewcom's ridiculous NBN scheme. People seem to be desperately hoping the NBN gets to them before the Coalition have the chance to gut the program.
Got a Sex Party flyer in the mail just then. They actually have a lot of genuinely common-sense ideas. Obviously it's easy to say tax and regulate weed if you're a minority party, but if they were to rebrand I can see them getting a seat or two in the near future.
What I meant to say was "There are a few micro-parties with common-sense ideas." Somehow I ended up saying the opposite of what I meant, but you got it._fatprop wrote:The Sex Party is rather libertarian (no wonder agree with a lot of the proposals)6roucho wrote:There are few micro-parties with common-sense ideas. I expect that's because their policies are invented by people who mainly want to find solutions to problems.Dumbledore wrote:I don't know anyone who wants Tony/Mewcom's ridiculous NBN scheme. People seem to be desperately hoping the NBN gets to them before the Coalition have the chance to gut the program.
Got a Sex Party flyer in the mail just then. They actually have a lot of genuinely common-sense ideas. Obviously it's easy to say tax and regulate weed if you're a minority party, but if they were to rebrand I can see them getting a seat or two in the near future.
You would need multiple fibre backhauls for this so it's a moot point.6roucho wrote:It might become possible in the future to "flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet" but we'd need technology that hasn't been invented yet, and might never be. The kids will just have to put up with uncool fiber for now.Mat the Expat wrote:You obviously were in Sales and not Tech.inshane wrote:That's how I saw it too.kiap wrote: The FTTH NBN is still the popular option as I see it. Not sure too many punters actually want Malcolm's 2nd rate plan. Best scenario is the Libs do a backflip: "Too far into the process to cancel". But who knows...
Disclosure statement - I've worked in telecoms and data then convergent networking for over 25 years. I'm gagging for FTTH and have every technical and personal reason to prefer it.
But my kids - early to mid 20's professionals wedded to the internet and their laptops for work an play and they think that I'm "out of date"
NONE of them have so much as a telephone line in their homes. All of them have wireless networking and telephones and don't want an old fashioned cable (fibre) tying them to one spot. And almost none of their friends want fibre either.
Maybe the optimum is a hybrid scheme with fibre used to flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet and FTTP for businesses, government and those old enough to like permanence. I know my kids would like that. OTOH the tree huggers would get all kumbaya about the extra "radio-activity"
Insane
They might want Wireless in the house and out and about but where does the signal for the wireless come from?
By your logic, you must be management which will explain you being somewhat hard of understanding.Mat the Expat wrote:You obviously were in Sales and not Tech.inshane wrote:(snip for brevity)kiap wrote: The FTTH NBN is still the popular option as I see it. Not sure too many punters actually want Malcolm's 2nd rate plan. Best scenario is the Libs do a backflip: "Too far into the process to cancel". But who knows...
Maybe the optimum is a hybrid scheme with fibre used to flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet and FTTP for businesses, government and those old enough to like permanence. I know my kids would like that. OTOH the tree huggers would get all kumbaya about the extra "radio-activity"
Insane
They might want Wireless in the house and out and about but where does the signal for the wireless come from?
Don't call me a Manager Cnut!inshane wrote:By your logic, you must be management which will explain you being somewhat hard of understanding.Mat the Expat wrote:You obviously were in Sales and not Tech.inshane wrote:(snip for brevity)kiap wrote: The FTTH NBN is still the popular option as I see it. Not sure too many punters actually want Malcolm's 2nd rate plan. Best scenario is the Libs do a backflip: "Too far into the process to cancel". But who knows...
Maybe the optimum is a hybrid scheme with fibre used to flood suburbs with high speed wireless internet and FTTP for businesses, government and those old enough to like permanence. I know my kids would like that. OTOH the tree huggers would get all kumbaya about the extra "radio-activity"
Insane
They might want Wireless in the house and out and about but where does the signal for the wireless come from?
No, I'm an engineer, and have spent all those years specifying, designing and implementing networks, voice, data, video and now converged.
Hybrid - fibre to base station, and fibre to selected premises, with fibre to the node for everywhere else (back of Bourke excepted).
You might profitably re-read my original post and leave the knee jerk reaction alone. Note that *I* want FTTH myself, but that (aside from a few colleagues of my own propellor head dispensation) I find it very hard to find a young person who wants it. I also can't tell them what new unforseen application will make them willing to be tied back down.
insane
Jesus, you asked for it. Imagine accusing me of being in sales. Those are the blokes who tell the customer that "of course he can do it" then come back and tell me taht I'd better be able to do it!Mat the Expat wrote: Don't call me a Manager Cnut!
If you do design, you'd know the reasons I mentioned that fully immersive WiFi is impossible without Backhaul, which is what I said.
Due to the Lib's butchering of the Telstra float, we're still dealing with vast areas of Major cities that are designate "Business Parks" that can't get fibre into them.
This will be Telstra Mk II by the Libs
Was waiting for your reply on that!Mat the Expat wrote:Don't call me a Manager Cnut!
I don't know many 20-somethings but the ones I do support FTTP (saying that, they're mostly tech geeks).inshane wrote:*I* want FTTH myself, but that (aside from a few colleagues of my own propellor head dispensation) I find it very hard to find a young person who wants it. I also can't tell them what new unforseen application will make them willing to be tied back down.
The problem with that idea is the inescapable bandwidth limitation of wireless networks. Hartley's law tells us that the maximum data rate of a communications links is proportional to its bandwidth in hertz. As more people use a system like 4G then the bandwidth available to each user is reduced. Anyone who suffered from the over-subscription of 3's 3g network will tell you about speeds in the dial-up range, e.g. 56kbps. If we tried to use the 4G networks to deliver community broadband then the same thing would happen. The only way to deliver fast broadband to large numbers of people is by building a fiber network.inshane wrote:The kids aren't using it *already*. That's the point.
And at this stage "flooding" is equal to a higher penetration of 4G, though two of my kids remain happy enough with 3G speeds.
Still, I reckon that I won't live long enough for FTTH to pass my house. Be a bit tough on the youngsters paying for it though.
insane
Farva wrote:For those of us who are normal, can someone please explain what we are talking about.
Maybe complete the following sentence that I can use with authority:
"My mate works in IT and he reckons that the coalition broadband plan is ... and the ALP one is ..."
Here is a start ... .. .towny wrote:Farva wrote:For those of us who are normal, can someone please explain what we are talking about.
Maybe complete the following sentence that I can use with authority:
"My mate works in IT and he reckons that the coalition broadband plan is ... and the ALP one is ..."
this.
It's already been explained. The both of you are supposed to be Engineers/High powered corporate aces and you can't figure it out?towny wrote:Farva wrote:For those of us who are normal, can someone please explain what we are talking about.
Maybe complete the following sentence that I can use with authority:
"My mate works in IT and he reckons that the coalition broadband plan is ... and the ALP one is ..."
this.
But it demonstrably isn't cheaper over 15 years._fatprop wrote:Here is a start ... .. .towny wrote:Farva wrote:For those of us who are normal, can someone please explain what we are talking about.
Maybe complete the following sentence that I can use with authority:
"My mate works in IT and he reckons that the coalition broadband plan is ... and the ALP one is ..."
this.
coalition broadband plan is not as good a system, but cheaper to implement and quicker to deliver while the ALP plan is better, but more expensive and will take longer to implement
I am a civil engineer. Give me the backfill detail and the bending radius and I'll get it in the ground for you.Mat the Expat wrote:It's already been explained. The both of you are supposed to be Engineers/High powered corporate aces and you can't figure it out?towny wrote:Farva wrote:For those of us who are normal, can someone please explain what we are talking about.
Maybe complete the following sentence that I can use with authority:
"My mate works in IT and he reckons that the coalition broadband plan is ... and the ALP one is ..."
this.
Hmmn, the other Engineers on the bored claim "proper" Engineers are omnipotent......Farva wrote:
I am a civil engineer. Give me the backfill detail and the bending radius and I'll get it in the ground for you.
Dont ask me how it works though.