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Whos Going to Lead the Labor Rabble
Albo 42%  42%  [ 5 ]
Plibbers 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Bowen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Chalmers 25%  25%  [ 3 ]
Uncle Tony 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Clive Palmer 17%  17%  [ 2 ]
George Smith 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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It's official that you can win an election without any policy at all.

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A couple of random thoughts. Firstly, Blind Freddy would have led the ALP to victory in that election.


Labor lacked authenticity, in my opinion. Far too many political apparatchiks, not enough real life experience. Too much theory, not enough practice.


Secondly, the Greens need to start accepting that they are a party with a very limited appeal, and the very attributes that some inner city voters find appealing are anathema to a lot of voters in regional electorates. They need to stick to their knitting, and stop lecturing the wider electorate, because it is totally counter-productive.


Finally, there was a lot of misleading advertising. I hope something can be done about that, but I do not know what.


Well, your last point kinda over rules everything else you said doesn't it? It's about public perception and selling the message... the Libs appear to have embraced the corporate approach to electioneering that worked in the 'States and UK, roughly speaking... that is, to analyse weak points and capitalise on those purely to win votes. By that I mean stuff as crude as printing how to vote placards in Chinese language and AEC colours progressing through to swamping media with on message, punch through tactics. Nothing of substance, no policy, just attack perceived weak points. Incessantly.

The ALP and the Greens appear to still campaign on principle. The belief that policy will carry them through. People don't care about policies, they care about their fears over what they are told will happen if 'the other mob' get in.

I think you'd be surprised that many of the Greens' policies, for instance, are geared towards helping farmers and many individual farmers have embraced those policies as practical and effective... but what we hear repeated is the inner city lefty stereotype


because stereotypes are easy, and they work.

The ALP should go all out attack dog now. They should have done that against Abbott, they should have done that against Howard under Beasley all those years ago when the Libs got away with stealing an election over refugees and children overboard.

The Libs will lie through their teeth to hold power. It's in their blood. It's not about policy, it never has been. The great policy initiatives in Australia have occurred under Labor governments, that's simple fact. Labor need to start kicking heads back... they've avoided the fight.




I think this is part of the problem. According to the rusted on Labor supporter (as evidenced by the rantings of a few posters on this forum) the government is full of corrupt, lying, fear mongering, racist, bloodthirsty, evil, evil people. And anyone that votes for them is identified that way. While their side are virtuous, deeply principled, wonderful, butterfly hugging, play fair, never lie, never cheat, good guys. This is your absolute black and white view and the middle swing voter of Australia knows that it is a lot lot lot more grey than that.

We live in the greatest country on the face of the planet (a bit too close to NZ form liking, but that is about the only major issue). The Coalition has been in power for years now. Things haven't fallen apart. If Labor were able to unknit this yogurt stitched cluster jumper and got up to win this un-loseable election, the sun would've risen today and things wouldn't have fallen apart either. In fact FWIW I think the change would have been good. But fvck me they were so ham fisted and inept they lost the un-loseable. If they can't manage to win the un-loseable election, they certainly don't deserve to be in government. Labor, sort your shit out, pull your heads out of your arses, appeal to the middle of Australia and win the next election FFS. Penny for PM. Here. First.


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Mat, Rudd got elected with limited policies.

I was right that the attack on miners through the Adani issue particularly in regional areas and pensioners franking credits not changing the weather will be the big issues. People are more concerned about their livelihood (hence the Yellow Vest movement). 4 million people had already voted before Shorten sealed his fate with his attack on negative gearing and channelling Gough Whitlam.

The ALP got absolutely hosed in the mining electorates and the pre polling numbers were strong for the Coalition in southern Qld.


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Mat, Rudd got elected with limited policies.

I was right that the attack on miners through the Adani issue particularly in regional areas and pensioners franking credits not changing the weather will be the big issues. People are more concerned about their livelihood (hence the Yellow Vest movement). 4 million people had already voted before Shorten sealed his fate with his attack on negative gearing and channelling Gough Whitlam.

The ALP got absolutely hosed in the mining electorates and the pre polling numbers were strong for the Coalition in southern Qld.


What are you talking about.=? Shorten's negative gearing policy has been in place for years.


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Tbf, Scott Morrison has a good turn of phrase. Since his first outing as leader with his "fair go for those who have a go". That kind of talk is gold for marketing.


Barnaby has gone platinum.

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“(Labor) have abandoned Barcaldine and the Tree of Knowledge, they’ve wandered down and got themselves a kaftan and incense sticks, hanging around in the middle of Sydney,”


Ha, ha, ha, so true! Fortunately Australia wasn't ready for a Hippie government yet.


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Had a dream last night about life under a Labor government. At the station, and on every train I was about to catch, a bomb went off. Melodramatic, maybe (dreams are), but it says something about the choice we face today.


So this post confirms that you're not genuine. The views you spout on this thread are designed solely to garner negative attention from left leaning posters on this thread. You're a troll, a loathsome attention seeker who will literally post anything for attention. That's disappointing because we need some genuine, conservative views on this thread to balance out opinion. Now that you've outed yourself you may as well disappear as non-one is going to engage in any serious chat with you. This thread is populated by adults, middle aged men who have all posted on this forum for over a decade and who don't waste their time with fake-logins or trolls. Bye now.


I've been on this Forum since 2004, Bozo.


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Had a dream last night about life under a Labor government. At the station, and on every train I was about to catch, a bomb went off. Melodramatic, maybe (dreams are), but it says something about the choice we face today.


So this post confirms that you're not genuine. The views you spout on this thread are designed solely to garner negative attention from left leaning posters on this thread. You're a troll, a loathsome attention seeker who will literally post anything for attention. That's disappointing because we need some genuine, conservative views on this thread to balance out opinion. Now that you've outed yourself you may as well disappear as non-one is going to engage in any serious chat with you. This thread is populated by adults, middle aged men who have all posted on this forum for over a decade and who don't waste their time with fake-logins or trolls. Bye now.


I've been on this Forum since 2004, Bozo.


Really? I only noticed you in the last 6-12 months.


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Just flicked over to Sky News where Rita Panahi was lecturing the ALP for trying to "scare people" during the campaign. Are these people living in an alernate rightwing universe. Even the most loyal Scott Morrison supporter would have to concede that he ran the most effective scare campaign in moderan Australian political history. And UAP spent $70 million on scare ads. To lecture the ALP on running a scare campaig really is unbelievable.


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Geez, who wants to watch Sky for the next decade or so. Gloatsville. :thumbdown:


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Ali's Choice wrote:
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Had a dream last night about life under a Labor government. At the station, and on every train I was about to catch, a bomb went off. Melodramatic, maybe (dreams are), but it says something about the choice we face today.


So this post confirms that you're not genuine. The views you spout on this thread are designed solely to garner negative attention from left leaning posters on this thread. You're a troll, a loathsome attention seeker who will literally post anything for attention. That's disappointing because we need some genuine, conservative views on this thread to balance out opinion. Now that you've outed yourself you may as well disappear as non-one is going to engage in any serious chat with you. This thread is populated by adults, middle aged men who have all posted on this forum for over a decade and who don't waste their time with fake-logins or trolls. Bye now.


We all knew a long time ago that 'not genuine'= 'doesn't agree with Ali'. I cast a genuine vote this week, putting Labor 2nd last everywhere, with only The Greens below.


That's not true at all. I have maintained respectful relationships with posters like Towny and Shanky, who posted in support of the Coalition in years past. The difference between them and you is that they were a) genuine, b) not crazed nutjobs and c)didn't quote racists/bigots like Anning or Hansen or support their beliefs.

The fact that you boast about preferencing the racsists like Anning and Hansen, ahead of the ALP (the party the gave Australia Medicare) says it all about your beliefs. You're a f**king idiot and if the ALP win I will be laughing at you for days. Pointing and laughing.


If you read the policies of One Nation and the Conservative National Party they are actually pretty good. Both Parties have their downsides, not the ones you mentioned. ON marked by infighting and rogue members and Annings Party by some unfortunately Neo-Nazi hangers on, though perhaps just as well for protection given he has made some pretty brave remarks (the one about Christchurch was NOT one of those). They have both got one great thing going for them that puts them above Labor and the Greens, who have got nothing going for them, and form their policy to please uninformed groups who make the biggest noise. The great thing is that both their leaders have had the courage to say Muslim immigration has to stop - the most obvious priority for democratic countries for the last 20 years, and yet one that the major parties are too afraid to say publicly. As England, France and all European countries who have significant ongoing Muslim immigration have shown, it leads to escalating deterioration of society and a constant threat to public safety. Those 2 people are actually heroes in that respect - they are taking a stand because Australia is at a crossroads where inaction will inevitably lead to disaster, and anyone who doesn't see that from the worldwide pattern is either a dolt, a hypocrite, or has a vested interest it happening, which is particularly sinister.

And as for pointing and laughing, you can do it as much as you like, but you'd better stand in front of a mirror first. That goes for the rest of the ALP Branch of Planet Rugby whose contribution to this Election Forum has stood out for it's nastiness and self-congratulatory remarks: Kharma


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If you read the policies of One Nation and the Conservative National Party they are actually pretty good. Both Parties have their downsides, not the ones you mentioned. ON marked by infighting and rogue members and Annings Party by some unfortunately Neo-Nazi hangers on, though perhaps just as well for protection given he has made some pretty brave remarks (the one about Christchurch was NOT one of those). They have both got one great thing going for them that puts them above Labor and the Greens, who have got nothing going for them, and form their policy to please uninformed groups who make the biggest noise. The great thing is that both their leaders have had the courage to say Muslim immigration has to stop - the most obvious priority for democratic countries for the last 20 years, and yet one that the major parties are too afraid to say publicly. As England, France and all European countries who have significant ongoing Muslim immigration have shown, it leads to escalating deterioration of society and a constant threat to public safety. Those 2 people are actually heroes in that respect - they are taking a stand because Australia is at a crossroads where inaction will inevitably lead to disaster, and anyone who doesn't see that from the worldwide pattern is either a dolt, a hypocrite, or has a vested interest it happening, which is particularly sinister.

And as for pointing and laughing, you can do it as much as you like, but you'd better stand in front of a mirror first. That goes for the rest of the ALP Branch of Planet Rugby whose contribution to this Election Forum has stood out for it's nastiness and self-congratulatory remarks: Kharma


Go f**k your own face, dickhead. Anning and Hansen are humam-scum, and anyone who supports them or their policies deserves to be treated with contempt. They aren't brave they are racist.


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Unemployment up last week, no wage growth, economic growth completely anemic, dollar down the toilet. Inflation in deflation and rba held off on a cut purely because of in mid election and these plum still get voted in. Just bizarre


How would the Labor government and their proposed policies improve any of these?

Also how is it the Liberal governments fault on what you mentioned?

How do higher taxes and whatever Labor were supposed to do address any of these issues?


So 6 years of govt comes down to that statement? So what’s the point of a govt at all then? Obviously govt doesn’t influence anything. No control over employment, economic growth...nada, nothing, not our fault

But yeah tax cuts bro...sweat, everything will be perfect





Yes they have some say but where I was getting at is that they're not responsible for everything. There's the global economy and there is RBA, APRA, whatever. It's kinda like saying whoever was in government during the GFC, was terrible for the economy.

And you didn't really mention anything that the Labor government would do to improve anything.

And from my understanding lower taxes improves economy growth. I'm no expert but lower taxes for companies mean more investment into Australia. Lower taxes for higher income individuals who pay majority of the income tax bill, how is that bad for the economy? Wouldn't they spend money in Australia or invest which is good for the economy.

I'm trying to understand what you think Labor would do differently to better the economy because I haven't heard anything and most of it seems to have the opposite effect.


Yup, I’m interested to hear how any of his original points would be different or how things would be better today under Labour?


I addressed that in another post. But yeah ignore it if you want. Bottom line is I come out of this financially fine, yey! Am I happy no. But yeah tax cuts woohoo all good. Seriously this is all this govt has.

By the way people on high income brackets don’t spend their tax breaks, we save them. Business don’t invest their tax breaks they pay them back in dividends and share buy backs which do fudge all for the economy. But yeah I get to bank some more money woohoo, I might even go for an investment property - choice. Life is good. Looking forward to seeing more homeless in the cbd and Nth Sydney :thumbup:


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mightyreds wrote:
Had a dream last night about life under a Labor government. At the station, and on every train I was about to catch, a bomb went off. Melodramatic, maybe (dreams are), but it says something about the choice we face today.


So this post confirms that you're not genuine. The views you spout on this thread are designed solely to garner negative attention from left leaning posters on this thread. You're a troll, a loathsome attention seeker who will literally post anything for attention. That's disappointing because we need some genuine, conservative views on this thread to balance out opinion. Now that you've outed yourself you may as well disappear as non-one is going to engage in any serious chat with you. This thread is populated by adults, middle aged men who have all posted on this forum for over a decade and who don't waste their time with fake-logins or trolls. Bye now.


We all knew a long time ago that 'not genuine'= 'doesn't agree with Ali'. I cast a genuine vote this week, putting Labor 2nd last everywhere, with only The Greens below.


That's not true at all. I have maintained respectful relationships with posters like Towny and Shanky, who posted in support of the Coalition in years past. The difference between them and you is that they were a) genuine, b) not crazed nutjobs and c)didn't quote racists/bigots like Anning or Hansen or support their beliefs.

The fact that you boast about preferencing the racsists like Anning and Hansen, ahead of the ALP (the party the gave Australia Medicare) says it all about your beliefs. You're a f**king idiot and if the ALP win I will be laughing at you for days. Pointing and laughing.


If you read the policies of One Nation and the Conservative National Party they are actually pretty good. Both Parties have their downsides, not the ones you mentioned. ON marked by infighting and rogue members and Annings Party by some unfortunately Neo-Nazi hangers on, though perhaps just as well for protection given he has made some pretty brave remarks (the one about Christchurch was NOT one of those). They have both got one great thing going for them that puts them above Labor and the Greens, who have got nothing going for them, and form their policy to please uninformed groups who make the biggest noise. The great thing is that both their leaders have had the courage to say Muslim immigration has to stop - the most obvious priority for democratic countries for the last 20 years, and yet one that the major parties are too afraid to say publicly. As England, France and all European countries who have significant ongoing Muslim immigration have shown, it leads to escalating deterioration of society and a constant threat to public safety. Those 2 people are actually heroes in that respect - they are taking a stand because Australia is at a crossroads where inaction will inevitably lead to disaster, and anyone who doesn't see that from the worldwide pattern is either a dolt, a hypocrite, or has a vested interest it happening, which is particularly sinister.

And as for pointing and laughing, you can do it as much as you like, but you'd better stand in front of a mirror first. That goes for the rest of the ALP Branch of Planet Rugby whose contribution to this Election Forum has stood out for it's nastiness and self-congratulatory remarks: Kharma


Wtf is this bullshit


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TBH the anti-ALP swing in QLD was a perfect storm of old people who were scared by the pensioners 'tax', poor people who support the Adani mine and the aspiring class who didn't want to miss out on their chances of accessing the negative gearing rort. A friend posted this profile status update this morning which I think was quite apt;

"The great australian dream is that one day, you too will be able to access the rort"

Pretty much sums up this election.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
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Had a dream last night about life under a Labor government. At the station, and on every train I was about to catch, a bomb went off. Melodramatic, maybe (dreams are), but it says something about the choice we face today.


So this post confirms that you're not genuine. The views you spout on this thread are designed solely to garner negative attention from left leaning posters on this thread. You're a troll, a loathsome attention seeker who will literally post anything for attention. That's disappointing because we need some genuine, conservative views on this thread to balance out opinion. Now that you've outed yourself you may as well disappear as non-one is going to engage in any serious chat with you. This thread is populated by adults, middle aged men who have all posted on this forum for over a decade and who don't waste their time with fake-logins or trolls. Bye now.


I've been on this Forum since 2004, Bozo.


Really? I only noticed you in the last 6-12 months.


Probably because I only upset you in the last 6-12 months :lol:


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The country is in safe hands with compulsory voting.

I'll go down and shake hands with Peter Dutton tomorrow to try and ensure that the Bob Hawke sympathy vote doesn't overwhelm the country and rob me of my inheritance via taxation.


Good on you. The desperate attacks on him from the Left are typified by Paul Keating, who weighed in to say he hopes the Electorate will plunge a long, long dagger into the dark, dark heart of Peter Dutton. Apart from indicating that Paulus has been watching too much Game of Thrones in his retirement, the many references to 'meanness' seem to be references to him stopping the boats (thank god), closing offshore processing centres (good riddance), and saying at the last Election that national security is our biggest issue (it still is) - we live in an age when it's regarded as criminal to say what you see, as Izzy, found out in answering a question when he said what is in the Old Testament, rather than pretend he couldn't see it, didn't know about it, or didn't care about it, or denying it. Denial is all the rage now.



You either need to explain what “criminal” process Folau went through, or admit that you’re a lying dumb sack of shit...

So, which is it?


I used the word 'criminal as a euphemism for the treatment Folau has been subjected to, because there are people in sport who have committed criminal offences repeatedly, and are still running around in their codes, whereas he has done nothing wrong and been discarded - he is being treated as 'worse than criminal'. He himself has said the hate campaign waged against him has made him feel 'like a killer.' It's ridiculous when that can ensue from someone being questioned on a religious belief and responding honestly.


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If you read the policies of One Nation and the Conservative National Party they are actually pretty good. Both Parties have their downsides, not the ones you mentioned. ON marked by infighting and rogue members and Annings Party by some unfortunately Neo-Nazi hangers on, though perhaps just as well for protection given he has made some pretty brave remarks (the one about Christchurch was NOT one of those). They have both got one great thing going for them that puts them above Labor and the Greens, who have got nothing going for them, and form their policy to please uninformed groups who make the biggest noise. The great thing is that both their leaders have had the courage to say Muslim immigration has to stop - the most obvious priority for democratic countries for the last 20 years, and yet one that the major parties are too afraid to say publicly. As England, France and all European countries who have significant ongoing Muslim immigration have shown, it leads to escalating deterioration of society and a constant threat to public safety. Those 2 people are actually heroes in that respect - they are taking a stand because Australia is at a crossroads where inaction will inevitably lead to disaster, and anyone who doesn't see that from the worldwide pattern is either a dolt, a hypocrite, or has a vested interest it happening, which is particularly sinister.

And as for pointing and laughing, you can do it as much as you like, but you'd better stand in front of a mirror first. That goes for the rest of the ALP Branch of Planet Rugby whose contribution to this Election Forum has stood out for it's nastiness and self-congratulatory remarks: Kharma


Go f**k your own face, dickhead. Anning and Hansen are humam-scum, and anyone who supports them or their policies deserves to be treated with contempt. They aren't brave they are racist.


Time for another look in the mirror.


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Just flicked over to Sky News where Rita Panahi was lecturing the ALP for trying to "scare people" during the campaign. Are these people living in an alernate rightwing universe. Even the most loyal Scott Morrison supporter would have to concede that he ran the most effective scare campaign in moderan Australian political history. And UAP spent $70 million on scare ads. To lecture the ALP on running a scare campaig really is unbelievable.


2 points:
The most effective scare campaign in modern history was run by the ALP under Mediscare where people complain of receiving texts that looked like Medicare bulletins. To be clear, it was wrong and dishonest when the ALP did it and the Libs adopting AEC colors on billboards advising Chinese voters in Chisholm how to vote is wrong also.
Both sides have used dirty tactics when it suits and neither are clean

Two, if Clive Palmer spent shitloads (and he did) are we completely ignoring Getup! And there electioneering for the Greens and ALP. Getup! Are aligned on the same issues as broadly Palmer was with the Libs.


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If you read the policies of One Nation and the Conservative National Party they are actually pretty good. Both Parties have their downsides, not the ones you mentioned. ON marked by infighting and rogue members and Annings Party by some unfortunately Neo-Nazi hangers on, though perhaps just as well for protection given he has made some pretty brave remarks (the one about Christchurch was NOT one of those). They have both got one great thing going for them that puts them above Labor and the Greens, who have got nothing going for them, and form their policy to please uninformed groups who make the biggest noise. The great thing is that both their leaders have had the courage to say Muslim immigration has to stop - the most obvious priority for democratic countries for the last 20 years, and yet one that the major parties are too afraid to say publicly. As England, France and all European countries who have significant ongoing Muslim immigration have shown, it leads to escalating deterioration of society and a constant threat to public safety. Those 2 people are actually heroes in that respect - they are taking a stand because Australia is at a crossroads where inaction will inevitably lead to disaster, and anyone who doesn't see that from the worldwide pattern is either a dolt, a hypocrite, or has a vested interest it happening, which is particularly sinister.

And as for pointing and laughing, you can do it as much as you like, but you'd better stand in front of a mirror first. That goes for the rest of the ALP Branch of Planet Rugby whose contribution to this Election Forum has stood out for it's nastiness and self-congratulatory remarks: Kharma


Go f**k your own face, dickhead. Anning and Hansen are humam-scum, and anyone who supports them or their policies deserves to be treated with contempt. They aren't brave they are racist.


Time for another look in the mirror.


A few pages back you acknowledged that you were a lying sack of shit...

Please add slow witted xenophobe to that moniker.

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The country is in safe hands with compulsory voting.

I'll go down and shake hands with Peter Dutton tomorrow to try and ensure that the Bob Hawke sympathy vote doesn't overwhelm the country and rob me of my inheritance via taxation.


Good on you. The desperate attacks on him from the Left are typified by Paul Keating, who weighed in to say he hopes the Electorate will plunge a long, long dagger into the dark, dark heart of Peter Dutton. Apart from indicating that Paulus has been watching too much Game of Thrones in his retirement, the many references to 'meanness' seem to be references to him stopping the boats (thank god), closing offshore processing centres (good riddance), and saying at the last Election that national security is our biggest issue (it still is) - we live in an age when it's regarded as criminal to say what you see, as Izzy, found out in answering a question when he said what is in the Old Testament, rather than pretend he couldn't see it, didn't know about it, or didn't care about it, or denying it. Denial is all the rage now.

Corinthian is in the New Testament :lol:


Yes, an error, but the epistle to the Corinthians was written by Paul, who took his teachings directly from the Old Testament, so it is virtually a comment from the Old Testament; Paul was quoting of what was there. Jesus is never reported, through the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, to have said anything about eternal damnation for homosexuals, but fundamentalist Christianity put equal weight on all the books of the Bible, not just Jesus' teachings.


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mightyreds wrote:
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The country is in safe hands with compulsory voting.

I'll go down and shake hands with Peter Dutton tomorrow to try and ensure that the Bob Hawke sympathy vote doesn't overwhelm the country and rob me of my inheritance via taxation.


Good on you. The desperate attacks on him from the Left are typified by Paul Keating, who weighed in to say he hopes the Electorate will plunge a long, long dagger into the dark, dark heart of Peter Dutton. Apart from indicating that Paulus has been watching too much Game of Thrones in his retirement, the many references to 'meanness' seem to be references to him stopping the boats (thank god), closing offshore processing centres (good riddance), and saying at the last Election that national security is our biggest issue (it still is) - we live in an age when it's regarded as criminal to say what you see, as Izzy, found out in answering a question when he said what is in the Old Testament, rather than pretend he couldn't see it, didn't know about it, or didn't care about it, or denying it. Denial is all the rage now.

Corinthian is in the New Testament :lol:


Yes, an error, but the epistle to the Corinthians was written by Paul, who took his teachings directly from the Old Testament, so it is virtually a comment from the Old Testament; Paul was quoting of what was there. Jesus is never reported, through the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, to have said anything about eternal damnation for homosexuals, but fundamentalist Christianity put equal weight on all the books of the Bible, not just Jesus' teachings.


Jesus who even reads this bullshit, seriously who gives a fudge


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Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?


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I addressed that in another post. But yeah ignore it if you want. Bottom line is I come out of this financially fine, yey! Am I happy no. But yeah tax cuts woohoo all good. Seriously this is all this govt has.

By the way people on high income brackets don’t spend their tax breaks, we save them. Business don’t invest their tax breaks they pay them back in dividends and share buy backs which do fudge all for the economy. But yeah I get to bank some more money woohoo, I might even go for an investment property - choice. Life is good. Looking forward to seeing more homeless in the cbd and Nth Sydney :thumbup:



The same, I come out ahead but believe it's not necessary.

I see people on Facebook talking about Death Taxes 100% media fed.

Franking credits affect hardly anyone

It will end up like Brexit, where the people who vote for them will end up suffering in the long term.

< 1000 jobs at Adani will look great when the Tourists stop coming to the Reef which will affect many thousands more..


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Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?



Don’t bother Farva.


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Farva wrote:
Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?



Don’t bother Farva.


He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


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rett wrote:
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Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?



Don’t bother Farva.


He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


One of the main reasons you can't argue with retards is because of their persistent use of fallacies. Basically, they don't understand logical reasoning (which is also why they don't get science).


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Go easy with the insults, mate, we do not need them. Calling somebody a "retard" is pretty vile.


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Farva wrote:
rett wrote:
Farva wrote:
Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?



Don’t bother Farva.


He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


I don’t really want to get drawn into this as I don’t have an interest in either camp.
What part of the growing view do you not understand?


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Farva wrote:

He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


One of the main reasons you can't argue with retards is because of their persistent use of fallacies. Basically, they don't understand logical reasoning (which is also why they don't get science).


Farva's point is a good one. This POV needs to be understood. Calling people retards isn't going to win any arguments nor is it going to win someone over to your way of thinking. The common element in the crowing from those 'on the right' as many like to say, from the Trump supporters through Brexit and here now, is that the 'elitists' on the left are out of touch.

The evidence suggests the last part is right. I mentioned earlier, that the ALP and Greens seemed to be too reliant on the idea that policy would sell. Both have reasonable policies and in Labor's case particularly, were offering at least a better tax deal for the majority... but they failed because the Libs sold the idea they tax heavily, along with whatever else they could scare people with.

'The Left' need to understand this... they are losing the misinformation war. 'The Right' know how to manipulate the market.

this is not about 'retards not understanding'... if it was, then 'the Left' is the retard. Antagonising your voting base through some sort of moral superiority is a one way ticket to fail town.

The task now for the progressive side of politics is learning how to win the ugly punch up with your opponent first up to gain attention, then actually sell the policy they're carrying... not just present it. They need to play dirty just as their opponents are... but abusing the base isn't going to do that.


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Quite amazing after the last 6 yrs of shit sandwich we’ve had, the electorate has gone back for 3 more :?

Unemployment up last week, no wage growth, economic growth completely anemic, dollar down the toilet. Inflation in deflation and rba held off on a cut purely because of in mid election and these plum still get voted in. Just bizarre


Labor and Shorten couldn't show they'd be better. Sad indictment. We all need both sides to be better than they are.


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Farva wrote:
rett wrote:
Farva wrote:
Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?



Don’t bother Farva.


He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


I don’t really want to get drawn into this as I don’t have an interest in either camp.
What part of the growing view do you not understand?

Why do people hold it?


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freewheelan wrote:
Farva wrote:

He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


One of the main reasons you can't argue with retards is because of their persistent use of fallacies. Basically, they don't understand logical reasoning (which is also why they don't get science).


Farva's point is a good one. This POV needs to be understood. Calling people retards isn't going to win any arguments nor is it going to win someone over to your way of thinking. The common element in the crowing from those 'on the right' as many like to say, from the Trump supporters through Brexit and here now, is that the 'elitists' on the left are out of touch.

The evidence suggests the last part is right. I mentioned earlier, that the ALP and Greens seemed to be too reliant on the idea that policy would sell. Both have reasonable policies and in Labor's case particularly, were offering at least a better tax deal for the majority... but they failed because the Libs sold the idea they tax heavily, along with whatever else they could scare people with.

'The Left' need to understand this... they are losing the misinformation war. 'The Right' know how to manipulate the market.

this is not about 'retards not understanding'... if it was, then 'the Left' is the retard. Antagonising your voting base through some sort of moral superiority is a one way ticket to fail town.

The task now for the progressive side of politics is learning how to win the ugly punch up with your opponent first up to gain attention, then actually sell the policy they're carrying... not just present it. They need to play dirty just as their opponents are... but abusing the base isn't going to do that.


Eh? Mightreds is a troll.


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freewheelan wrote:
Farva wrote:

He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


One of the main reasons you can't argue with retards is because of their persistent use of fallacies. Basically, they don't understand logical reasoning (which is also why they don't get science).


Farva's point is a good one. This POV needs to be understood. Calling people retards isn't going to win any arguments nor is it going to win someone over to your way of thinking. The common element in the crowing from those 'on the right' as many like to say, from the Trump supporters through Brexit and here now, is that the 'elitists' on the left are out of touch.

The evidence suggests the last part is right. I mentioned earlier, that the ALP and Greens seemed to be too reliant on the idea that policy would sell. Both have reasonable policies and in Labor's case particularly, were offering at least a better tax deal for the majority... but they failed because the Libs sold the idea they tax heavily, along with whatever else they could scare people with.

'The Left' need to understand this... they are losing the misinformation war. 'The Right' know how to manipulate the market.

this is not about 'retards not understanding'... if it was, then 'the Left' is the retard. Antagonising your voting base through some sort of moral superiority is a one way ticket to fail town.

The task now for the progressive side of politics is learning how to win the ugly punch up with your opponent first up to gain attention, then actually sell the policy they're carrying... not just present it. They need to play dirty just as their opponents are... but abusing the base isn't going to do that.


:thumbup: Good post.

What people sometimes miss is these "retards" or "undesirables" are usually working or low middle class, struggling to make ends meet. Closing down coal mines because of climate change will cost them everything, in their minds at least. You have to do something to help these people, beyond "learn to code" if you want to win their votes.

Its not all racism and xenophobia.


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It is ironic that this workforce has rejected a socialist policy when subsidising their jobs, which may well be obsolete, is the price of victory for a right wing government.


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Farva wrote:
Harveys wrote:
Farva wrote:
rett wrote:
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Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?



Don’t bother Farva.


He has a view, and it is a growing view in Australia.
I want to understand it.


I don’t really want to get drawn into this as I don’t have an interest in either camp.
What part of the growing view do you not understand?

Why do people hold it?



Full disclosure to try to mitigate the shit that is bound to be thrown my way.

I am not, I repeat, I am NOT a Christian, in any way shape or form. I practise secular Vippassana, enjoy hot yoga and participate in AA, if that makes me a bit of a wanker, so be it. The reason I mention I am in AA is because it is a truly inclusive society, we have it all & you learn to live with it all. I’m no Christian apologist, their book has some wacky shit in it and they as an institution have committed unforgivable atrocities. I don’t however, conveniently fail to acknowledge the positive impacts they have on society and people.

That said, this is how things could look to some people.

Australian culture & society is built on and grounded in judeo-Christian values, we may be a somewhat secular country but the values are underpinning.

I think part of the Izzy issue being so divisive is because in some people at least it creates a confliction, obviously it’s wrong to condemn vulnerable minority groups but at the same time there is this strange sense of instability in the underlying values that make up our society.

Make no mistake, that pic of ScoMo singing in church with his hand raised (cringe) did not bother the majority of voters.

It looks like there are a few issues people may feel concernd about.

The left is very critical of Christianity (this forum will do for a good enough example) however criticism of Islam quickly gets you labelled an Islamophobe. The reaction to the NZ shooting & the Easter bombings some say are an illustration of this.

Do you not think some people may feel the values of the society they live in could at some stage become threatened.


There are clear social issues in Europe. How do you ensure better integration here than there?

Perhaps there is a fundamental misunderstanding of Islam due to the overexposure of radical extremists?

Do you think it’s just a case of people being retarded bigots?


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Well, you've always been an advertisement for rational, reasoned posts in here :thumbup:

Yeah, but you post that to everyone who doesn't agree with you. :nod:
Besides that, I'm surprised you can remember what i post, as it is usually only around test time or RWC.


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Harveys, i am of the opinion that if you deny access to Australia to a fifth of the worlds population due to the religion they follow without looking at the person they are, is bigotted. That is just as true for Christians.

Islamic fundamentalists are an issue. But the Islamic bit is redundant there. It holds true for any extremist (including animal rights activits who take a violent or oppressive attitude and far right activists who do the same for example).

Australia should be judging people for who they are as a part of their apolication to come here. That might mean a larger number of Muslims are denied access to say other religious groups. However we should be making an effort to be inclusive to all who come here.

I dont believe that what Mightyreds posts do that. And he is not alone with that view. I want to know why.


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Well, you've always been an advertisement for rational, reasoned posts in here :thumbup:

Yeah, but you post that to everyone who doesn't agree with you. :nod:
Besides that, I'm surprised you can remember what i post, as it is usually only around test time or RWC.


Your version of rational and reasonable is easy to remember.


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Harveys, i am of the opinion that if you deny access to Australia to a fifth of the worlds population due to the religion they follow without looking at the person they are, is bigotted. That is just as true for Christians.

Islamic fundamentalists are an issue. But the Islamic bit is redundant there. It holds true for any extremist (including animal rights activits who take a violent or oppressive attitude and far right activists who do the same for example).

Australia should be judging people for who they are as a part of their apolication to come here. That might mean a larger number of Muslims are denied access to say other religious groups. However we should be making an effort to be inclusive to all who come here.

I dont believe that what Mightyreds posts do that. And he is not alone with that view. I want to know why.


Just to be clear I don’t support mightreds view.

I just don’t pretend to be completely ignorant as to why some may hold it.


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What are you talking about.=? Shorten's negative gearing policy has been in place for years.




The policy he had stewing on for three years and only spat out on Friday?

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Just flicked over to Sky News where Rita Panahi was lecturing the ALP for trying to "scare people" during the campaign. Are these people living in an alernate rightwing universe. Even the most loyal Scott Morrison supporter would have to concede that he ran the most effective scare campaign in moderan Australian political history. And UAP spent $70 million on scare ads. To lecture the ALP on running a scare campaig really is unbelievable.


:lol: :lol: :lol: SBS, GetUp, ABC, Bob Brown, GetUp, The Guardian, Fairfax, GetUp and a large percentage of posters on here did a good job of promoting the ALP and Green cause. A flyover instructing people not to vote for Peter Dutton really worked. Throw in Shorten's 45% non costed emissions reduction target which was well over the target set by the Paris Agreement.

The Nationals did really well considering the change in leadership and kept Rob Oakshott out of Parliament. Barnaby gained a bigger swing since his recent by election. The AEC has put up on their website that the Coalition now have a majority. The Victorians will cop on now they can keep their holiday homes in Portsea, Noosa, Mt Buller, etc without getting screwed.

Admirable for Farva to stick up for his line of work. Much like the Turnbull's supported Alex's renewables business. I find it very hard to believe that there is a place that has 100% sustainable renewables efficiency over tradition power sources to supply energy to their people. Moving to renewables cost money particularly with having to own a property to put a solar panel on and having to rely on base. Australia has the resources internally to support nuclear energy. The French went nuclear in the 70s and are still doing well off that. They export the power that they don't use and make coin out of it.


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