Re: The Australian Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:31 am
And QLD Health spokesman tells Greg Hunt and the Federal Government to "give themselves an Uppercut" live on TV
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Actually not a rant but continue your support of all things Coalition, no matter how dumb those pricks prove themselves to be week in week out.shanky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 pmIt means what it’s always meant, that you can only leave home for essential reasons.Salient wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm My wife, who is currently down in NSW has to go into lockdown due to having visited Brisbane during the period that is apparently of concern. Lock down south of the border apparently means you can go do shopping for food, attend medical appointments, oh and go to work. Exactly how dumb are the pricks running NSW, do they actually understand the term "lock down" and what it is attempting to achieve
But don’t let that stop your little echo chamber rant.
oh my, are you telling me that different States have different definitions?????Salient wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:04 amActually not a rant but continue your support of all things Coalition, no matter how dumb those pricks prove themselves to be week in week out.shanky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 pmIt means what it’s always meant, that you can only leave home for essential reasons.Salient wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm My wife, who is currently down in NSW has to go into lockdown due to having visited Brisbane during the period that is apparently of concern. Lock down south of the border apparently means you can go do shopping for food, attend medical appointments, oh and go to work. Exactly how dumb are the pricks running NSW, do they actually understand the term "lock down" and what it is attempting to achieve
But don’t let that stop your little echo chamber rant.
Sorry, just phoned my Boss to say we should all go into work under shanky's definition of "lock down", apparently not going to happen because Brisbane is in "lock down" and we aren't working in one of the essential industries.
Kim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs
TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.
Again, I point the learned gentleman to the Downers....wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 amKim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs
TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.
Ability, and achievements outside politics, are far more important than genealogy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/ ... /100036294NSW Nationals MP Michael Johnsen offered a sex worker $1,000 to attend state Parliament for sex and sent the woman a string of lewd text messages and an obscene video while Parliament was sitting, an ABC investigation can reveal.
I actually think this is the same (to an extent) with politics everywhere. The media is the problem, though they love to put the blame on social media, which is the force destroying their industry, though I’m sure that’s not the reason they blame it for all society’s ills.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:20 pmHow pathetic are we as a nation that this a true statementwamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pmShe's too good for Australian politics.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:50 pm Grace Tame is freakin awesome! She should run for parliament as an Independent, she'd romp in.
Beasley was a good man and apparently an excellent minister. But he wasn’t a great opposition leader - the only punches he landed were about the GST, which was a positive policy.wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 amKim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs
TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.
Ability, and achievements outside politics, are far more important than genealogy.
I definitely agree with thattowny wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:46 amI actually think this is the same (to an extent) with politics everywhere. The media is the problem, though they love to put the blame on social media, which is the force destroying their industry, though I’m sure that’s not the reason they blame it for all society’s ills.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:20 pmHow pathetic are we as a nation that this a true statementwamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pmShe's too good for Australian politics.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:50 pm Grace Tame is freakin awesome! She should run for parliament as an Independent, she'd romp in.
It was the NY Times, and not Facebook or Google, that swung the public to back the invasion of Iraq and Trump over Clinton.
I initially read that as ‘hanging out of the PM of the time.’towny wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:48 amBeasley was a good man and apparently an excellent minister. But he wasn’t a great opposition leader - the only punches he landed were about the GST, which was a positive policy.wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 amKim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs
TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.
Ability, and achievements outside politics, are far more important than genealogy.
I have a pic with him somewhere. He was half-cut and hanging out with the PM of the time.
I’m at the stage where I’m not sure you can vote for them and not hate Australia.The Optimist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:07 am This is a govt of idiots for idiots. How do we accept this ineptitude. It's like an episode of 'The Office' on a national scale, though less funny.
It wasn’t true when he said it and it’s not true now. It’s just a quote.wamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:44 pmWe supposedly model ourselves on the mother of parliaments: Westminster. The Poms put us to shame.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:20 pmHow pathetic are we as a nation that this a true statementwamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pmShe's too good for Australian politics.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:50 pm Grace Tame is freakin awesome! She should run for parliament as an Independent, she'd romp in.
Politics in Australia is a combat sport, politicians are mostly born and bred to the "career of politics".
We have brought it on ourselves. As an ALP supporter I am often reminded of Frank Crean's remark: "The ALP used to be made up of the cream of the working-class; now it is the dregs of the middle class". That was true many years ago. Now it is even truer.
Just a quote? Did he say it, or not?
If you’re an ALP supporter, why are you lumping them in with the problem? In the last 40 years, they’ve been the good guys.
I doubt that the "real clowns" are reading this bored. Well, not many of them, anyway.
Playing that ‘both sides’ shit just let’s the real clowns off the hook, and that’s that they want you to think - “there as bad as each other”.
They aren’t by a long way.
Bolt is such a swivel-headed loonSlim 293 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:52 am Unfortunately there's not enough for Qld police to go after Laming...
Meanwhile, Andrew Bolt has said that Laming has been "framed by the ABC and the journalists on the left", in another one of his teary op-ed opportunities to attack Louise Milligan because he's still butt hurt over Pell... even though it was Channel 9 Queensland who have led with the expose on Laming.
You really are a bit dense aren't you, to the level of Mick if we are being honest.shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:13 amoh my, are you telling me that different States have different definitions?????Salient wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:04 amActually not a rant but continue your support of all things Coalition, no matter how dumb those pricks prove themselves to be week in week out.shanky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 pmIt means what it’s always meant, that you can only leave home for essential reasons.Salient wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm My wife, who is currently down in NSW has to go into lockdown due to having visited Brisbane during the period that is apparently of concern. Lock down south of the border apparently means you can go do shopping for food, attend medical appointments, oh and go to work. Exactly how dumb are the pricks running NSW, do they actually understand the term "lock down" and what it is attempting to achieve
But don’t let that stop your little echo chamber rant.
Sorry, just phoned my Boss to say we should all go into work under shanky's definition of "lock down", apparently not going to happen because Brisbane is in "lock down" and we aren't working in one of the essential industries.
Sorry.wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:50 pmJust a quote? Did he say it, or not?
If you’re an ALP supporter, why are you lumping them in with the problem? In the last 40 years, they’ve been the good guys.
There is a problem in all political parties. As for the ALP being cleanskins, have you heard of Sussex Street? A breeding ground for political hacks.
Yes, I am an ALP supporter, and have voted for the party in more losing elections than I care to count.I doubt that the "real clowns" are reading this bored. Well, not many of them, anyway.
Playing that ‘both sides’ shit just let’s the real clowns off the hook, and that’s that they want you to think - “there as bad as each other”.
They aren’t by a long way.
Both sides have produced some trash. But I am ashamed to say that my side has done some absolutely dreadful things, particularly in NSW. Staying silent, and complicit, when kids where burnt to death. Fark me.
I really don’t like the ‘both sides are bad’ shtick. It’s easy to think and say it - I’m also guilty of it. But it plays into the hands of the Trumps and ScoMos of this world. Lumping their lies, ineptitude, etc with “all politicians” let’s them get away with it.
Oh, righto. Forget all about Queensland under Joh. Or WA under Brian Burke.guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 pm
The particular talent that NSW has for corruption across all walks of life is known and understood... but could we try not to paint the entirety of Australian politics with that specific shitpit of self interest and stench?
Tbf to QLD, Bjelke-Petersen left office in 1987 (he's been dead for nearly twenty years) and none of the governments since then have been tainted with corruption. For the most part they've been decent ALP led governments that have built the state up from being a backward wasteland to the thriving, modern jurisdiction that it currently is.wamberal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:47 pmOh, righto. Forget all about Queensland under Joh. Or WA under Brian Burke.guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 pm
The particular talent that NSW has for corruption across all walks of life is known and understood... but could we try not to paint the entirety of Australian politics with that specific shitpit of self interest and stench?
I disagree slightly - the fact is that SA/TAS/WA have such small populations that the media isn't massive there - perhaps more likely to turn a blind eye.guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:55 pmYeah... years ago.wamberal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:47 pmOh, righto. Forget all about Queensland under Joh. Or WA under Brian Burke.guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 pm
The particular talent that NSW has for corruption across all walks of life is known and understood... but could we try not to paint the entirety of Australian politics with that specific shitpit of self interest and stench?
I'm not trying to say corruption isn't present in other places. I'm saying that NSW has refined the art to a level the others could only aspire to. It's intrinsic to to the state's identity...
and this discussion could do well without needing to have that taint applied as if it were a national tendency rather than a NSW specialty.
He's never been involved with state politics though. A Federal body with the powers of NSW's ICAC will sort things out, but the Coalition won't ever allow one to be established.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am QLD - Peter Dutton. Everyone knows, but nothing is done
His time should have been under the purview of either Police Watchdog or State Watch-dog.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:24 amHe's never been involved with state politics though. A Federal body with the powers of NSW's ICAC will sort things out, but the Coalition won't ever allow one to be established.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am QLD - Peter Dutton. Everyone knows, but nothing is done
I keep hearing this but it doesn't align with anything that Albanese and his MP's are saying. What makes you say this? The ALP will be running strong on a Federal corruption watchdog at the next election. What they don't want is the Coalition's watered down body that cannot investigate historical corruption and has no powers to force witnesses to present and answer questions.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:26 amHis time should have been under the purview of either Police Watchdog or State Watch-dog.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:24 amHe's never been involved with state politics though. A Federal body with the powers of NSW's ICAC will sort things out, but the Coalition won't ever allow one to be established.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am QLD - Peter Dutton. Everyone knows, but nothing is done
Sadly, for all it's talk, the ALP appear to not be backing a full Federal ICAC in reality
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit
It will never stop, but needs to be policed more - hidden away last week was a missive from the LNP to cut ICAC's funding by $4.5 Million
Re Federal ICAC, the ALP don't support banning corporate donations, etc.
There's the Achilles Heel right there.
I love Melbourne - but it's not a global city. FFS, you can still afford houses within 10Km of the CBD Man!guy smiley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:37 amYou've lived there too longPat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit
FFS... Melbourne dude, remember it?
Clearly you don't know much about corruption if you think the current donation model is not open to abuse.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:44 amPat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit
It will never stop, but needs to be policed more - hidden away last week was a missive from the LNP to cut ICAC's funding by $4.5 Million
Re Federal ICAC, the ALP don't support banning corporate donations, etc.
There's the Achilles Heel right there.
I'm not sure why you conflate the current donations rules to the establishment of a corruption watchdog?
Btw what changes would you propose to the current Federal donations rules?
Any system is open for abuse. I don't think our system is the worst, but I was interested in what system you preferred. I don't think a system funded by the Commonwealth would be at all fair, especially for new or minor parties. It would simply consolidate the status quo.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:57 am Clearly you don't know much about corruption if you think the current donation model is not open to abuse.
For all your love of politics, you're a bit of a Naif at times
Proportional funding from the Commonwealth - the system is already set up that way for expenses, cash per vote, etc - how do you think Pauline keeps running?
Tidy the whole thing up with an impartial Administrator role*
* Yes pipe-dreams I know.
Exactly - pretty simple but telling that the ALP won't go for itguy smiley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:12 amHere's a decent blueprint...Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:44 amPat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit
It will never stop, but needs to be policed more - hidden away last week was a missive from the LNP to cut ICAC's funding by $4.5 Million
Re Federal ICAC, the ALP don't support banning corporate donations, etc.
There's the Achilles Heel right there.
I'm not sure why you conflate the current donations rules to the establishment of a corruption watchdog?
Btw what changes would you propose to the current Federal donations rules?
https://greens.org.au/platform/2019/democracy#clean-up
ban political donations from the mining, property development, tobacco, alcohol, and gambling industries to all political parties and candidates. We will cap all other donations and make sure every donation over $1000 is disclosed publicly, in close to real time.politicians and senior staff members find themselves with cushy lobbyist jobs as soon as they leave parliament. That doesn’t happen by accident. Our plan will require the publication of information about meetings, such as the subject of the lobbying and we will enforce a five year ‘cooling off’ period during which Ministers and their senior staff cannot be engaged in private enterprise that raises a conflict of interest, or particular benefit, from their role and connections.