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If he were able to travel here, he would probably be expecting beers n apologies from all those that made noise about his vaccines were rushed declaration. He will point to the halting of the AZ vaccine as evidence...
To be fair he has caballed - well he had a drink with us but wouldn't sit with us
The reason given is that the chance of getting COVID for 30-50s is far greater in the UK than in Australia, therefore the risks associated with not vaccinating is much greater relative to the risk of blood clots for that age group. So blood clot risk same, COVID risk different.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:06 amSomethings off. Why is it over 30s in the UK, but over 50s here....UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:03 am So just to recap.
The moment Scotty and his boys start copping scrutiny about the vaccine rollout the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation suddenly change their position on Astra Zeneca without any substantially different facts from what has been known for a month or so now.
How independent is ATAGI?
What I don't understand is the risk is higher from taking the pill. And its because you have some underlying condition? Could they not test for that and give those people the Pfizer one?Bindi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:38 amThe reason given is that the chance of getting COVID for 30-50s is far greater in the UK than in Australia, therefore the risks associated with not vaccinating is much greater relative to the risk of blood clots for that age group. So blood clot risk same, COVID risk different.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:06 amSomethings off. Why is it over 30s in the UK, but over 50s here....UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:03 am So just to recap.
The moment Scotty and his boys start copping scrutiny about the vaccine rollout the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation suddenly change their position on Astra Zeneca without any substantially different facts from what has been known for a month or so now.
How independent is ATAGI?
Not sure if correct but supposedly the clotting with AZ is the opposite (platelet count) than the Pill-type of clotting.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:40 am
What I don't understand is the risk is higher from taking the pill. And its because you have some underlying condition? Could they not test for that and give those people the Pfizer one?
Regardless, is it not something they could test for before jabbing you? Or is it too hard?Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:43 am
Not sure if correct but supposedly the clotting with AZ is the opposite (platelet count) than the Pill-type of clotting.
Not too sure - perhaps it's so new, it's not known yetSensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:47 amRegardless, is it not something they could test for before jabbing you? Or is it too hard?Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:43 am
Not sure if correct but supposedly the clotting with AZ is the opposite (platelet count) than the Pill-type of clotting.
For the pill, the risk-reward is entirely different. The consequences of getting pregnant when you don't want to are far greater than the small chance of getting COVID when you're of breeding age and getting very sick/dying. Worth the still rare chance of getting blood clots, which generally aren't as life-threatening anyway for the pill. The real issue for the govt is vaccine hesitancy - not the danger of the clots themselves.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:40 amWhat I don't understand is the risk is higher from taking the pill. And its because you have some underlying condition? Could they not test for that and give those people the Pfizer one?Bindi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:38 amThe reason given is that the chance of getting COVID for 30-50s is far greater in the UK than in Australia, therefore the risks associated with not vaccinating is much greater relative to the risk of blood clots for that age group. So blood clot risk same, COVID risk different.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:06 amSomethings off. Why is it over 30s in the UK, but over 50s here....UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:03 am So just to recap.
The moment Scotty and his boys start copping scrutiny about the vaccine rollout the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation suddenly change their position on Astra Zeneca without any substantially different facts from what has been known for a month or so now.
How independent is ATAGI?
Beyond frustrating.Bindi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:57 amFor the pill, the risk-reward is entirely different. The consequences of getting pregnant when you don't want to are far greater than the small chance of getting COVID when you're of breeding age and getting very sick/dying. Worth the still rare chance of getting blood clots, which generally aren't as life-threatening anyway for the pill. The real issue for the govt is vaccine hesitancy - not the danger of the clots themselves.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:40 amWhat I don't understand is the risk is higher from taking the pill. And its because you have some underlying condition? Could they not test for that and give those people the Pfizer one?Bindi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:38 amThe reason given is that the chance of getting COVID for 30-50s is far greater in the UK than in Australia, therefore the risks associated with not vaccinating is much greater relative to the risk of blood clots for that age group. So blood clot risk same, COVID risk different.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:06 amSomethings off. Why is it over 30s in the UK, but over 50s here....UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:03 am So just to recap.
The moment Scotty and his boys start copping scrutiny about the vaccine rollout the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation suddenly change their position on Astra Zeneca without any substantially different facts from what has been known for a month or so now.
How independent is ATAGI?
For the testing, the problem with a really rare outcome is you can't design proper experiments to work out what the cause is. There are too few people who are likely variable for all sorts of things to go from a correlation of some potential thing to a causative agent. It becomes a matter of guesswork. THere's a decent chance that we'll never know.
Wont happen until next year. They are saying last quarter so you know it be after that.Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:04 am We need to see some timelines
Ignoring the over 50 thing in NSW....
When will all over 50s be vaccinated?
When do the first 10 million people get the Pfizer shots and who are these people.
Finally, who are the last 10 million people that get the second batch of Pfizer - in December presumably.
Your ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
+1Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
Clogs, he's been posting trolling sensationalist crap all day to politicise the covid vaccine rollout.Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:36 amYour ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
How much is the Oz economy losing per day without international visitors? How many companies will fail? How many families will have their futures churned for things out of their control?Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:47 pmClogs, he's been posting trolling sensationalist crap all day to politicise the covid vaccine rollout.Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:36 amYour ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
As AC probably well knows, but chooses to intellectually dishonestly ignore, the reason that a couple of other vaccines have not been so far procured/applied in this country, is that the producer drug companies demanded that countries using them granted indemnities against any suit by users for damages, in the event the accelerated certification/roll out missed some serious/fatal side effect.
I doubt that even AC wants the Australian taxpayers to underwrite that risk.
I'm really struggling to come to terms with this being the same Towny that declared we'd see 'four term Tony' in years passed.towny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:57 pmHow much is the Oz economy losing per day without international visitors? How many companies will fail? How many families will have their futures churned for things out of their control?Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:47 pmClogs, he's been posting trolling sensationalist crap all day to politicise the covid vaccine rollout.Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:36 amYour ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
As AC probably well knows, but chooses to intellectually dishonestly ignore, the reason that a couple of other vaccines have not been so far procured/applied in this country, is that the producer drug companies demanded that countries using them granted indemnities against any suit by users for damages, in the event the accelerated certification/roll out missed some serious/fatal side effect.
I doubt that even AC wants the Australian taxpayers to underwrite that risk.
Underwriting the liability might be chump change in comparison to the very real economic damage that's occurring right now. Plus, the government is free to engage an insurance company to mitigate the risk.
Anyone who supports this government must just hate Australia - why else would they think they're not a disaster?
Isn't it justWorking Class Rugger wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 pmI'm really struggling to come to terms with this being the same Towny that declared we'd see 'four term Tony' in years passed.towny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:57 pmHow much is the Oz economy losing per day without international visitors? How many companies will fail? How many families will have their futures churned for things out of their control?Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:47 pmClogs, he's been posting trolling sensationalist crap all day to politicise the covid vaccine rollout.Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:36 amYour ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
As AC probably well knows, but chooses to intellectually dishonestly ignore, the reason that a couple of other vaccines have not been so far procured/applied in this country, is that the producer drug companies demanded that countries using them granted indemnities against any suit by users for damages, in the event the accelerated certification/roll out missed some serious/fatal side effect.
I doubt that even AC wants the Australian taxpayers to underwrite that risk.
Underwriting the liability might be chump change in comparison to the very real economic damage that's occurring right now. Plus, the government is free to engage an insurance company to mitigate the risk.
Anyone who supports this government must just hate Australia - why else would they think they're not a disaster?
Yeah. Good times.Working Class Rugger wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:55 pmI'm really struggling to come to terms with this being the same Towny that declared we'd see 'four term Tony' in years passed.towny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:57 pmHow much is the Oz economy losing per day without international visitors? How many companies will fail? How many families will have their futures churned for things out of their control?Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:47 pmClogs, he's been posting trolling sensationalist crap all day to politicise the covid vaccine rollout.Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:36 amYour ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
As AC probably well knows, but chooses to intellectually dishonestly ignore, the reason that a couple of other vaccines have not been so far procured/applied in this country, is that the producer drug companies demanded that countries using them granted indemnities against any suit by users for damages, in the event the accelerated certification/roll out missed some serious/fatal side effect.
I doubt that even AC wants the Australian taxpayers to underwrite that risk.
Underwriting the liability might be chump change in comparison to the very real economic damage that's occurring right now. Plus, the government is free to engage an insurance company to mitigate the risk.
Anyone who supports this government must just hate Australia - why else would they think they're not a disaster?
towny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:57 pmHow much is the Oz economy losing per day without international visitors? How many companies will fail? How many families will have their futures churned for things out of their control?Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:47 pmClogs, he's been posting trolling sensationalist crap all day to politicise the covid vaccine rollout.Clogs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:36 amYour ruler's husband has passed away and all you can do is post some nonsense from some far right wing tabloid?Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:28 pm Very good article by Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/ ... c_news_web
As AC probably well knows, but chooses to intellectually dishonestly ignore, the reason that a couple of other vaccines have not been so far procured/applied in this country, is that the producer drug companies demanded that countries using them granted indemnities against any suit by users for damages, in the event the accelerated certification/roll out missed some serious/fatal side effect.
I doubt that even AC wants the Australian taxpayers to underwrite that risk.
Underwriting the liability might be chump change in comparison to the very real economic damage that's occurring right now. Plus, the government is free to engage an insurance company to mitigate the risk.
Anyone who supports this government must just hate Australia - why else would they think they're not a disaster?
There are those of us who remember the confession thread back on the eve of The Great Meltdown/Wipe.
I’m presuming that Baubles, Bells and Bonnet was the name of that unwooded Chardonnay you were drinking. With ice.guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:05 amIt was a dark and foreboding night when the #PerthcabalisBestcabal crew met in the shadow of the Hanging Tree. Evil stalked the land and The Jester had forsaken the baubles, bells and bonnet for a more serious countenance. The Stout Defender and I could only stand agog, Truth Beers unhanded as he confessed his ALP membership to us... reams of Planet Rugby shitfights flashed before our eyes, The Peoples' Prince unmasked. To this day, The Stout Defender has not been seen in public while I have taken retreat in the Holy Land and taken heed of the Call of the Tui.shanky wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:58 pmThere are those of us who remember the confession thread back on the eve of The Great Meltdown/Wipe.
Towny basically confessed to being a champagne socialist.
Or something like that.
More like ‘Truth Spritzers’, by the sounds of it.guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:22 am C'mon man, I invoked Truth Beers. You can't be making up stories over Truth Beers.
Chapter 8: In which our hero becomes a big old ho
It'll get nasty - popcorn timeguy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:41 amFairfaxNein and 7even are pretty much at war these days.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:28 am And "All-Australian" Ben Roberts-Smith buried incriminating evidence in his back garden.....
Yep, after boasting about how he's untouchable because Kerry Stokes is bankrolling his legal bills, and then threatening to destroy all the whistle blowers and journalists who were involved in the reporting of his alleged atrocities.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:28 am And "All-Australian" Ben Roberts-Smith buried incriminating evidence in his back garden.....
Do you think he's toast? With Stokes's financial backing no-one will ever be able to lay a finger on him.guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:45 amIt's quite a good read all up, really.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:43 amYep, after boasting about how he's untouchable because Kerry Stokes is bankrolling his legal bills, and then threatening to destroy all the whistle blowers and journalists who were involved in the reporting of his alleged atrocities.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:28 am And "All-Australian" Ben Roberts-Smith buried incriminating evidence in his back garden.....
He's toast. I wonder how much collateral damage Stokes will take and whether that would flow on into the War Memorial funding.
