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That may be true, but it was Shorten and his offsider who managed to lose the unloseable.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:36 amIt's worse than that. People are more likely to vote for the Coalition if they think that doing so will earn their suburb preferential treatment when it comes to infrastructure programs. Open and shameless corruption will win the govt votes rather then cost them votes.
Actually it was Bob Brown and his cavalcade that did the trick. Ralph Nader all over again.
And Senator Conflict of Interest, Tim Wilson and his Franking Credit linksguy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:48 amThat was bloody dumb...wamberal wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:46 amActually it was Bob Brown and his cavalcade that did the trick. Ralph Nader all over again.
there was also the massive campaign by Fat Clive the Conductor. If you're allowing extra influences, and we should, his was considerable.
You're not seriously comparing Shorten's comment to Simon Birmingham's, "If you don't like our corruption then don't vote for us' comment on Insiders.shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:42 am https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/11/la ... on-review/
He made this comment specifically in relation to a question from a voter on taxes, iirc
I just googled the quote. It was the first hitguy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:48 amNot taking anything away from the quote (which I either forgot or never heard about to be honest) but...shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:42 am https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/11/la ... on-review/
He made this comment specifically in relation to a question from a voter on taxes, iirc
gosh...The Howard-Costello era had given Australia stability for 11 great years. There was ongoing leadership rivalry but it was put aside to ensure good government for Australia; government that we all benefitted from
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My enduring memory of the last election campaign was watching TV with my family in the evenings, and sitting through 2 x Clive Palmer Party ads per ad break, exclusively attacking Bill Shorten and the ALP. Apparently he was going to introduce a death tax and that he'd run a Trillion dollar deficit. Two ads every ad break for weeks. I guess that's what's happens when you double the spend of both major parties combined and your sole intent is to elect the Coalition?shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:51 am AC
I’m not comparing anything, I’m making an observation
Like most Australians, I am only passingly interested in politics
During the last election, that was one of about 3 things that stuck with me about the ALP.
Another one was when Shorten(?) told that truck driver at a minesite that his overtime did, in fact, tip him over the $60k thresh-hold and therefore he’d be paying higher taxes
The LNP seemed to have no policies at all.
But yeah, Murdoch
I remembered the line from a snatch of TV news one night.guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:12 amYou remembered the line or something reminded you? Genuinely curious.
Mate. Think what you wantAli's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:10 amSo Bill Shorten is responsible for the Coalition shameless corruption?
Strange comment. The ALP tried their best to win the last Federal election and they lost. That's democracy. They've learned a shit ton from the last election, hence Albo's small target strategy. It seems the same people who attacked Shorten for having a detailed and complex suite of policies are now demanding that Albanese also have a huge policy framework.shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:18 amMate. Think what you wantAli's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:10 amSo Bill Shorten is responsible for the Coalition shameless corruption?
The ALPs failure to wake up to themselves is what’s holding them back.
Strangely defensive comment. You can debate Shorten's strengths and weaknesses all you like. Posters have done that at length on this thread, and the media continues to do it to this day. But that doesn't change the fact that the largest media organisation in Australia unashamedly supports the conservative side of politics.shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:28 am My impression is that Shorten tried to hold a class war and made it too obvious.
The complexity was there sure, but it didn’t affect me
Publishing “out loud” that you’re making a line at 70k, was nuts. Aussies are aspirational, we hate that shit
Should have been vague on the amount…
Except he was probably hoping to fire up the class warrior base with an eat the rich campaign
I don’t know, and I guess we’ll never know, because we’re not allowed to analyse it beyond whingeing about Murdoch
Of course it is. Who on Earth would suggest otherwise?shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:36 am I don’t know what you’re talking about with the carparks. I’ve said nothing about that.
Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It’s comforting I’m sure
The fact that the ALP can’t neat this current shower of shit is at least partly their responsibility.
Rubbish - if you only had a passing interest, you'd not mention half the stuff you do on here.
Well of course you’d know thatPat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:56 amRubbish - if you only had a passing interest, you'd not mention half the stuff you do on here.
I think Sydneysiders forget that Sky News is syndicated to terrestrial TV outside of Sydney - that has a massive influence
About as much as yourself then?shanky wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:59 amWell of course you’d know thatPat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:56 amRubbish - if you only had a passing interest, you'd not mention half the stuff you do on here.
I think Sydneysiders forget that Sky News is syndicated to terrestrial TV outside of Sydney - that has a massive influence
You know pretty much everything about everything.
Give yourself an uppercut!guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:09 am In the interests of promoting some sort of debate, could I suggest everyone step back from the boxing gloves?
All sounds very possible. Only thing you’ve left out is is the role of the ABC in Josh’s rise to power. Given his appeal he could easily be a two termer.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:10 pm I think Morrison is gone. He's an abject failure as a PM and the populace is now waking up to this fact. Normally this would be enough to see a party lose government and be condemned to Opposition for a few terms, but this is Australia and Rupert Murdoch decides who governs. I expect a leadership change to happen in the next few months, with Peter Dutton agitating and acting as the stalking horse but Josh Frydenberg ultimately emerging as the leader and cleanskin. And then a Federal election will be called early next year, capitalising on Frydenberg's honeymoon period and giving the Murdoch empire long enough to sell the likeable, fresh-faced Frydenberg as moderate to the electorate. Basically a rinse-repeat of the 2019 Federal election.
Not sure what the ABC's role is, please explain?kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:47 pm All sounds very possible. Only thing you’ve left out is is the role of the ABC in Josh’s rise to power. Given his appeal he could easily be a two termer.
ALP really is becoming inconsequential, unless Albo can go Hulk on the Liberals (and/or Barny takes them down from the inside).
ACCC prepares second assault on Facebook, Google
Aaron Patrick
Jul 6, 2021 – 5.00am
The failure of a landmark anti-monopoly case against Facebook by the US Federal Trade Commission will not stop global regulators from waging an aggressive campaign against the social media giant over the next two years, Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Rod Sims has said.
Following last week’s court decision in Washington, which pushed Facebook’s market value above $US1 trillion ($1.33 trillion), Mr Sims said Facebook and Google’s power was as big a problem as the millionaire Rockefeller family’s control of the global oil refining market a century ago, which was ultimately ruled an illegal monopoly by the US Supreme Court.
He said the ACCC was gathering evidence of market power abuses by the American companies and planned to use two current inquiries to launch a new assault on them in conjunction with counterparts in Europe, Britain, the US and Canada.
“In the next six to 18 months, a lot will change in terms of how those abuses are dealt with,” Mr Sims said in an interview. “There is an extraordinary amount of market power: self preferencing, markets that aren’t transparent, very high charges and rent extraction.
“Then there is the whole issue of reducing innovation, which is more of a productivity issue.”
Facebook’s dominance over social media – it has 2 billion regular users – was not enough to convince a US district court last week that its purchases of Instagram in 2012 and WhatsApp in 2014 made it so powerful that it had become a social networking monopoly.
Facebook, which doesn’t charge the public for its network, said it would continue to “compete fairly” every day to provide services to consumers and businesses.
The Federal Trade Commission, which originally approved the deals, and a coalition of states could have sought the break-up of the company if they had been successful. They have 30 days to refile their lawsuit.
Mr Sims said Facebook and Google, which has between 60 and 95 per cent of the Australian internet search market depending on how it is defined, had breached the legal test in Australia of holding “a substantial degree of power”.
But suing the companies to reverse the acquisitions that made them so big would take too long and be too unpredictable, he said.
Instead, the ACCC will use a digital advertising services inquiry, which is due to be submitted to the government by August 31, and a digital platform services inquiry, which is due by September 30, to start to limit the companies’ ability to exploit their market power.
A Google spokesman declined to comment but the company has previously said it is willing to work constructively with regulators.
One area of focus is payments by Google, which the ACCC estimates at $8 billion to $12 billion a year, to be the default search engine on Apple mobile phones. The ACCC is examining whether the arrangement limits competition.
The inquiries are likely to find that Facebook and Google have a dangerous degree of control over online advertising, Apple and Google exercise too much control over the software application market and Google has too much power over search.
Once the reports have been made public this year, the ACCC will concentrate on working out what action to take against the companies, including whether new laws are necessary to curtail their power.
“All options are open,” Mr Sims said. “We can take enforcement action or make recommendations to government about what legislation might be needed. We’re working very closely with international colleagues. It’s a very important bit of work.”
Last year, the ACCC led a successful push – with the help of Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who commissioned both current ACCC inquiries into the industry – to force Google and Facebook to pay established media outlets for their articles.
The US FTC case was laughable. It didn’t get past a few minutes.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:49 am The ACCC, emboldened by its win against Google and Facebook las year where it forced the two tech giants to fund News Ltd's failing Australian newspapers and sites until the end of time, is about to unleash a new war on these two companies.
https://www.afr.com/technology/accc-pre ... 705-p586wwACCC prepares second assault on Facebook, Google
Aaron Patrick
Jul 6, 2021 – 5.00am
The failure of a landmark anti-monopoly case against Facebook by the US Federal Trade Commission will not stop global regulators from waging an aggressive campaign against the social media giant over the next two years, Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Rod Sims has said.
Following last week’s court decision in Washington, which pushed Facebook’s market value above $US1 trillion ($1.33 trillion), Mr Sims said Facebook and Google’s power was as big a problem as the millionaire Rockefeller family’s control of the global oil refining market a century ago, which was ultimately ruled an illegal monopoly by the US Supreme Court.
He said the ACCC was gathering evidence of market power abuses by the American companies and planned to use two current inquiries to launch a new assault on them in conjunction with counterparts in Europe, Britain, the US and Canada.
“In the next six to 18 months, a lot will change in terms of how those abuses are dealt with,” Mr Sims said in an interview. “There is an extraordinary amount of market power: self preferencing, markets that aren’t transparent, very high charges and rent extraction.
“Then there is the whole issue of reducing innovation, which is more of a productivity issue.”
Facebook’s dominance over social media – it has 2 billion regular users – was not enough to convince a US district court last week that its purchases of Instagram in 2012 and WhatsApp in 2014 made it so powerful that it had become a social networking monopoly.
Facebook, which doesn’t charge the public for its network, said it would continue to “compete fairly” every day to provide services to consumers and businesses.
The Federal Trade Commission, which originally approved the deals, and a coalition of states could have sought the break-up of the company if they had been successful. They have 30 days to refile their lawsuit.
Mr Sims said Facebook and Google, which has between 60 and 95 per cent of the Australian internet search market depending on how it is defined, had breached the legal test in Australia of holding “a substantial degree of power”.
But suing the companies to reverse the acquisitions that made them so big would take too long and be too unpredictable, he said.
Instead, the ACCC will use a digital advertising services inquiry, which is due to be submitted to the government by August 31, and a digital platform services inquiry, which is due by September 30, to start to limit the companies’ ability to exploit their market power.
A Google spokesman declined to comment but the company has previously said it is willing to work constructively with regulators.
One area of focus is payments by Google, which the ACCC estimates at $8 billion to $12 billion a year, to be the default search engine on Apple mobile phones. The ACCC is examining whether the arrangement limits competition.
The inquiries are likely to find that Facebook and Google have a dangerous degree of control over online advertising, Apple and Google exercise too much control over the software application market and Google has too much power over search.
Once the reports have been made public this year, the ACCC will concentrate on working out what action to take against the companies, including whether new laws are necessary to curtail their power.
“All options are open,” Mr Sims said. “We can take enforcement action or make recommendations to government about what legislation might be needed. We’re working very closely with international colleagues. It’s a very important bit of work.”
Last year, the ACCC led a successful push – with the help of Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who commissioned both current ACCC inquiries into the industry – to force Google and Facebook to pay established media outlets for their articles.
The ACCC can't force people to use Bing and Yahoo, so I suspect they will force Google to financially subsidise poorer performing search engines.towny wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:30 pm The US FTC case was laughable. It didn’t get past a few minutes.
The crux of the debate boils down to this: Google and Facebook are too powerful because too many people choose to use them because they provide better services than their many, many competitors, who are just a click away on the net.
Once in a while they do the wrong thing and they should be smacked hard for this. But this isn’t what the cases are about - they’re about penalising companies for being chosen by most people instead of their competitors, who aren’t as good.
That’s it.
I couldn’t care less about Facebook and Google, but these moronic politicians are f*cking with things they can’t hope to understand. Both Facebook and Google use auctions to price their advertising - thousands of supply and demand auctions each second set the pricing. How are they exploiting this? Meanwhile, Apple is genuinely exploiting a monopoly in their App Store and hardly a word is said. Weird.
These people are stupid or corrupt.
Frydenberg has also weighed in...
Well, you're welcome to start a discussion. Would you like to? Or do you just want to throw your bitter, boomer shit around the room and hope someone's feelings are hurt.Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:28 pm So, read this thread expecting to see some discussion of calls for the Royal Commission in Victoria having it's terms of reference widened to include state government pressure/interference on the state gambling authority into its favourable treatment of the *alleged* money laundering complicit Crown Casino. I was surprised that it doesn't seem to have been mentioned.
What a bunch of loyal little apparatchiks you are.
Uhmmm and no mention of the FriendlyJordies trial or the misuse of counter terrorist squad members in the arrest of the NSW Deputy, pot kettle dude.Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:28 pm So, read this thread expecting to see some discussion of calls for the Royal Commission in Victoria having it's terms of reference widened to include state government pressure/interference on the state gambling authority into its favourable treatment of the *alleged* money laundering complicit Crown Casino. I was surprised that it doesn't seem to have been mentioned.
What a bunch of loyal little apparatchiks you are.
Yeah it’s quite bizarre. There was a hell of a lot of political pressure from Frydenburg and Morrison to lift the Vic lockdown. That would have been a truely terrible idea.
