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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:45 am 
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Different system. They do record cases under investigation, some of which are eventually subtracted.

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Thanks for that. That clears it up. I’ve been looking at The Age and all I could find was confirmed!


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Each day NZ reports out their confirmed and probable numbers, which makes up their total covid19 numbers for the day. I’m just wondering if Australia use the same format for their daily numbers that’s all. I can tell you the criteria for probable if you want?



FWIW I have never seen any Covid-19 stats from anywhere split into confirmed and probable.

Yeah NZ only report actual confirmed cases externally, e.g. to WHO. There's no other way to do it for integrity of actual, y'know, data.


Nope NZ report out both externally. Observe:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... w-zealand/

If you take away the probable NZ has 1144 confirmed


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:55 am 
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kiap wrote:
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Each day NZ reports out their confirmed and probable numbers, which makes up their total covid19 numbers for the day. I’m just wondering if Australia use the same format for their daily numbers that’s all. I can tell you the criteria for probable if you want?



FWIW I have never seen any Covid-19 stats from anywhere split into confirmed and probable.

Yeah NZ only report actual confirmed cases externally, e.g. to WHO. There's no other way to do it for integrity of actual, y'know, data.



Well, that clears it up. Now you had better let all the media outlets know.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:56 am 
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Unconfirmed is useful for something like isolating precautionary patients, but it's not counting real numbers of covid cases. Nearly anyone with a cough can be unconfirmed if you wanted to get investigative.

BTW, Worldometer is inaccurate and, almost by necessity, imprecise when conglomerating so many diverse data sets.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:17 am 
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Yeah NZ only report actual confirmed cases externally, e.g. to WHO. There's no other way to do it for integrity of actual, y'know, data.


Nope NZ report out both externally. Observe:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... w-zealand/

If you take away the probable NZ has 1144 confirmed


I suggest you read your own Ministry of Health page

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10 May 2020

Today we are reporting two new confirmed cases of COVID-19.

One case is linked to the St Margaret’s Hospital & Rest Home in Auckland. The individual is not a healthcare worker - they are a household contact of an earlier case linked to St Margaret's. They have been in self-isolation since that case was notified.

The second is a person who has travelled back from overseas, so is an imported case.

Today’s cases bring New Zealand’s combined total of confirmed and probable COVID-19 cases to 1,494.

This is made up of 1,144 confirmed cases, which is the number we report to the World Health Organization, and 350 probable cases.

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/m ... covid-19-3


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kiap wrote:
Unconfirmed is useful for something like isolating precautionary patients, but it's not counting real numbers of covid cases. Nearly anyone with a cough can be unconfirmed if you wanted to get investigative.

BTW, Worldometer is inaccurate and, almost by necessity, imprecise when conglomerating so many diverse data sets.


Thank you kiap. Really helpful that. WHO does report out only confirmed for NZ.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 am 
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kiap wrote:
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Yeah NZ only report actual confirmed cases externally, e.g. to WHO. There's no other way to do it for integrity of actual, y'know, data.


Nope NZ report out both externally. Observe:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... w-zealand/

If you take away the probable NZ has 1144 confirmed


I suggest you read your own Ministry of Health page

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10 May 2020

Today we are reporting two new confirmed cases of COVID-19.

One case is linked to the St Margaret’s Hospital & Rest Home in Auckland. The individual is not a healthcare worker - they are a household contact of an earlier case linked to St Margaret's. They have been in self-isolation since that case was notified.

The second is a person who has travelled back from overseas, so is an imported case.

Today’s cases bring New Zealand’s combined total of confirmed and probable COVID-19 cases to 1,494.

This is made up of 1,144 confirmed cases, which is the number we report to the World Health Organization, and 350 probable cases.

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/m ... covid-19-3


Yep my bad. Thanks again. I literally just jumped on to MOH website. The media here and elsewhere seem to jump on this figure of probable plus confirmed. Cheers again.


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Begbie wrote:
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Unconfirmed is useful for something like isolating precautionary patients, but it's not counting real numbers of covid cases. Nearly anyone with a cough can be unconfirmed if you wanted to get investigative.

BTW, Worldometer is inaccurate and, almost by necessity, imprecise when conglomerating so many diverse data sets.


Thank you kiap. Really helpful that. WHO does report out only confirmed for NZ.


NZ report to WHO (see my post above)

<ADIT> all good :thumbup:


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There’s an excellent Facebook page giving detailed, well researched and clearly articulated figures on Australian infection rates thats worth following if you’re on the Book. He does provide his (excellent) sources and if you dig around on his page you’ll find some great links to data sources, his professional and academic background and the like...

It’s called ‘Serendipity in Numbers’.


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There’s an excellent Facebook page giving detailed, well researched and clearly articulated figures on Australian infection rates thats worth following if you’re on the Book. He does provide his (excellent) sources and if you dig around on his page you’ll find some great links to data sources, his professional and academic background and the like...

It’s called ‘Serendipity in Numbers’.


I'm "read only" on bookface (fuk u marc zambuc) but willl do a google.

Interesting article here (US-based, but by an oz-born academic originaly working in infectious disease in animals).

https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19 ... 6V3NOhJSvo

Looks at things like indoor transmission - click pick to embiggen
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The page has an email contact showing... p leitch at hotmail dot com. He’s posted his academic qualifications at one stage, I remember reading them. He’s considering doing a second doctorate on top of the several degrees, a masters and the first PhD.

Bit of a whiz kid :thumbup:


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Pretty disgraceful scenes today in Sydney and Melbourne where a few dozen anti-vaxxer, anti-lockdown nutters flagrantly broke current restrictions and protested outside the parliaments of of both states. Footage showed protesters carrying signs with the slogans such as 'Liberty' and 'Freedom', calling for an end to COVID-19 related restrictions/social distancing, the arrest of Bill Gates and the banning of 5G. Wtaf.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 54rj7.html


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 1:30 pm 
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Yeah, it’s pretty out there. I thought Carrick Ryan nailed it though...

https://mobile.twitter.com/realCarrickR ... gr%5Etweet


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Alan Jones is retiring.


Good.


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Yeah, it’s pretty out there. I thought Carrick Ryan nailed it though...

https://mobile.twitter.com/realCarrickR ... gr%5Etweet


Barking Batshit Bingo!

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Yeah, it’s pretty out there. I thought Carrick Ryan nailed it though...

https://mobile.twitter.com/realCarrickR ... gr%5Etweet


Barking Batshit Bingo!

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It's like someone asked an algorithm to output a random set of words associated with conspiracy lunatics, could add Putin, Israel, MSM etc.


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Could be some knock-down prices on steaks soon, near you.

    Red-meat processors have beef sales to China suspended as trade barriers escalate

    ABC Rural - updated 1hour ago
    By Kath Sullivan and Jodie Gunders

    China has imposed an import ban on four Australian abattoirs in an apparent escalation of Beijing's trade war tactics.

    Key points:
    • Three abattoirs in Queensland and one in NSW have been blacklisted by China
    • The four locations provide an estimated 35 per cent of beef exports to China, an expert suggests
    • There are concerns the move is in retaliation for Australia's calls for an independent investigation into the COVID-19 pandemic

    The blacklisting of the red meat abattoirs — three in Queensland and one in NSW — comes just days after China flagged plans to introduce an 80 per cent tariff on Australian barley, bringing the trade to its knees.

    There are fears the barriers introduced by Australia's largest trading partner are in retaliation to Prime Minister Scott Morrison's demand for an independent investigation into the COVID-19 outbreak.

    ...

    Minister: Suspensions based on technical issue

      According to Trade Minister Simon Birmingham, the Government was notified yesterday about the suspensions, which Chinese authorities linked to labelling and health certificate requirements.

      He said he was concerned the suspensions were due to "highly technical issues", some of which dated back more than a year, arguing changes to export arrangements should be considered separately to the merits of an investigation into COVID-19.

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That is some platinum-plated expense account..... :shock:



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The executive chairman of the National COVID-19 Co-ordination Commission, former Fortescue Metals chief executive Neville Power, is being paid $500,000 for the six-month full time role.

Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet associate secretary Stephanie Foster told the COVID-19 Senate inquiry the amount was calculated to cover Mr Power's travel and accommodation costs.


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nev-power-s-red-hot-500-000-allowance-to-lead-the-covid-19-taskforce-20200513-p54som.html


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 9:44 am 
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Is he not working from home like the rest of us?


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Is he not working from home like the rest of us?


I know Uber Eats is expensive but this takes the piss


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guy smiley wrote:
There’s an excellent Facebook page giving detailed, well researched and clearly articulated figures on Australian infection rates thats worth following if you’re on the Book. He does provide his (excellent) sources and if you dig around on his page you’ll find some great links to data sources, his professional and academic background and the like...

It’s called ‘Serendipity in Numbers’.


Can we outright ban teenage chicks from this site?


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There’s an excellent Facebook page giving detailed, well researched and clearly articulated figures on Australian infection rates thats worth following if you’re on the Book. He does provide his (excellent) sources and if you dig around on his page you’ll find some great links to data sources, his professional and academic background and the like...

It’s called ‘Serendipity in Numbers’.


Can we outright ban teenage chicks from this site?


Teenagers wouldn't be caught dead using facebook, boomer.


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From the Australian

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More than 72 per cent of the nation­’s 13.2 million-strong labour force is now employed by federal, state or local governments, supported by JobKeeper or in receipt of JobSeeker.


This is unsustainable especially if multinationals pay 2/5th of FA


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From the Australian

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More than 72 per cent of the nation­’s 13.2 million-strong labour force is now employed by federal, state or local governments, supported by JobKeeper or in receipt of JobSeeker.


This is unsustainable especially if multinationals pay 2/5th of FA


Makes it doubly fun for Frydenberg....


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From the Australian

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More than 72 per cent of the nation­’s 13.2 million-strong labour force is now employed by federal, state or local governments, supported by JobKeeper or in receipt of JobSeeker.


This is unsustainable especially if multinationals pay 2/5th of FA

What was the rest of the article about? That statement on its own is just strange - how many of that 72% are on finite term Jobkeeper as opposed to govt employees and the unemployed?


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From the Australian

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More than 72 per cent of the nation­’s 13.2 million-strong labour force is now employed by federal, state or local governments, supported by JobKeeper or in receipt of JobSeeker.


This is unsustainable especially if multinationals pay 2/5th of FA

What was the rest of the article about? That statement on its own is just strange - how many of that 72% are on finite term Jobkeeper as opposed to govt employees and the unemployed?


Was on mobile before and couldnt get past paywall

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Never in Australian history have so many depended on so few.

More than 72 per cent of the nation­’s 13.2 million-strong labour force is now employed by federal, state or local governments, supported by JobKeeper or in receipt of JobSeeker.

You wouldn’t notice that from the one-percentage-point growth in the official jobless rate, which rose from 5.2 per cent in March to 6.2 per cent last month.

The Treasurer revealed on Thursday that just over six million workers were being supported by JobKeeper, and a further 1.6 million by JobSeeker, the new supercharged unemployment benefit.

The former count as employed, regardless of how little they are actual­ly doing; many of the latter don’t count at all, given recipients no longer have to actively look for work — a critical part of the official definition of unemployment.

So long as the range of extraordinary government support lasts, the headline jobless rate is less informative than it’s ever been, totally divorced from the community’s understanding of what unemployment means.
READ MORE:Heartache as almost 600,000 jobs go|Firms join JobKeeper queue|Fear eases but business conditions worsen|Confidence in record comeback|V-shaped recovery unlikely: BHP

More interesting, because it captures some of the furloughed but “employed” JobKeepers, is the total number of hours worked, which plunged 9.2 per cent over the month.


The Australian Bureau of Statistics also said total employment had fallen almost 600,000 without a corresponding increase in the number of unemployed, which rose only 105,000 over the month to April. Those people were either too stressed to look for work — perhaps minding children — or, on the bright side, could fall back on other household resources and didn’t need to work.

As the ABS said, had the 489,900 people who left the offic­ial­ labour force been counted as unemployed, April’s unemployment rate would have been 9.6 per cent. The underutilisation rate, which adds the unemployment and underemployment rates, hit a record 19.9 per cent, eclipsing the 1992 high of 18.2 per cent.


For all the bad news, the worst might be over already. Lockdown measures are unwinding sooner than expected. Politically, JobKeeper has been a genius move by the government, drastically curbing the extent to which the official jobless rate rises.

Economically, the jury is still out. The government had an oblig­ation to help workers of businesses it had shut down, but the subsidy will blunt businesses’ incentive to be self-sufficient. Prising the payments­ off businesses come September will be fraught.

Then there’s the cost: 28 per cent of the workforce can’t carry everyone else for long.


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28 per cent of the work-force are in "real jobs" and the rest of the population are not. Pretty dated sort of thinking, shirley. What about the impact of artificial intelligence and automation in general?


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28 per cent of the work-force are in "real jobs" and the rest of the population are not. Pretty dated sort of thinking, shirley. What about the impact of artificial intelligence and automation in general?


No 28% are not paid or supported by the Government. Or over 70% are dependent on the government for the majority of their income. Either way its a crappy economy.


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Surely the Job Keeper program makes the unemployment stats completely worthless, and not worth the bother of collecting? 6 million or so people employees are still considered to be working but the government is paying their wages.


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28 per cent of the work-force are in "real jobs" and the rest of the population are not. Pretty dated sort of thinking, shirley. What about the impact of artificial intelligence and automation in general?

It's only someone playing games with numbers. The 'journalist' has added the people on temporary COVID-19 assistance to the public service to get that number. The conservative obsession with benefits meets the conservative obsession with the size of the government workforce to create end of the world shizzle.


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28 per cent of the work-force are in "real jobs" and the rest of the population are not. Pretty dated sort of thinking, shirley. What about the impact of artificial intelligence and automation in general?


No 28% are not paid or supported by the Government. Or over 70% are dependent on the government for the majority of their income. Either way its a crappy economy.


It's not the economy. We're in an emergency.


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28 per cent of the work-force are in "real jobs" and the rest of the population are not. Pretty dated sort of thinking, shirley. What about the impact of artificial intelligence and automation in general?


No 28% are not paid or supported by the Government. Or over 70% are dependent on the government for the majority of their income. Either way its a crappy economy.


It's not the economy. We're in an emergency.


The global economy was tanking pre Covid. Fed repos were the obvious sign. Covid just pricked the everything bubble.


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kiwinoz wrote:
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28 per cent of the work-force are in "real jobs" and the rest of the population are not. Pretty dated sort of thinking, shirley. What about the impact of artificial intelligence and automation in general?


No 28% are not paid or supported by the Government. Or over 70% are dependent on the government for the majority of their income. Either way its a crappy economy.


It's not the economy. We're in an emergency.


The global economy was tanking pre Covid. Fed repos were the obvious sign. Covid just pricked the everything bubble.

That's a completely different argument.


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Small, early signs of an uptick in covid-19 cases.

Flights with recirculating cabin air, even 100 minute domestic flights, are surely not a good idea.

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    NSW Health issues coronavirus alert to those travelling on ‘infectious’ domestic flight

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    Friday, 15 May 2020


    New South Wales health authorities have issued an alert to those who travelled on a domestic flight with a potentially infectious traveller. The man tested positive for COVID-19 overnight in Sydney after returning from Brisbane where he had served the mandatory hotel isolation period.

    “We do believe they may have been infectious on the flight,” NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said.

    The flight in question is QF537 from Brisbane to Sydney on Tuesday, May 12, which landed about 4.05pm.

    “NSW Health is alerting all passengers and crew on the flight to monitor for symptoms,” she said.

    Authorities are in the process of tracing all close contacts - including those who were seated in rows 31 to 35
    . Dr Chant also defended hotel quarantine saying it is “an effective measure” despite the new case.

    Community transmission

    The state recorded a further eight cases of COVID-19 overnight, from more than 12,200 tests on Friday. Of those, three are believed to have been acquired through community transmission in existing hotspots - the Bondi and Waverley area, and one other in Penrith.

    Two men in their 30s in the Bondi area have returned a positive result in preliminary testing.

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    Read more: https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-w ... -c-1039020


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It's getting really hard to keep up to date with the continual changes to restrictions here in QLD. I consider myself someone who keeps well informed. I visit a range of news sites daily, watch the news on TV every night, and follow many Australian and foriegn news sites on FB and Twitter. I also try and watch all the Federal and State based health announcements. But I just cannot keep up with the constant changes. So I'm just staying home and keeping travel as essential as possible for the foreseeable future.


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There was a full page ad in the Qld papers, delineating the stages. It probably does not cover all the perms and coms, but it was good enough for me to understand what I needed to know. The pool in our building is open today!!!!!


The gym opens on 13th June.


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So it seems that the NSW State govt has a rather large problem. They have been gradually getting people back to work and school - but the rules about social distancing on public transport are still very restrictive. No more than 12 passengers are allowed on a bus at any one time, and trains have similar restrictions. How is Sydney going to function given the roads were under considerable pressure previously? Anyone else get the impression that this hasn't really been thought through? I'm not sure how the city will function unless these restrictions on public transport are removed.

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May 16, 2020 — 12.01am

Hundreds of thousands of Sydneysiders will have to change their commuting habits over the coming weeks as the state government looks to impose strict controls on the public transport network that may result in traffic havoc on the roads.

The number of Sydney commuters using public transport dropped from more than 2 million per day to around 400,000 during the two months of the coronavirus lockdown, the lowest in a century.

But as thousands of people begin trickling back onto trains, buses and ferries amid easing restrictions, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has warned that the system is nearing capacity for safe social distancing measures.

The government is considering imposing physical distancing measures on the network, with a cap as low as 12 people per bus being raised as an option during discussions, the Herald has been told by sources familiar with the debate.

They said the government is also considering how to maintain a 1.5-metre social distancing rule on buses, trains and ferries, with plans set to be announced by early next week.

"We’re pretty much at capacity at this stage, but having said that we do have some plans in place to support the community," Ms Berejiklian said on Friday.

"At this stage we are maintaining good social distancing but we’re going to be very strict on that moving forward."

Ms Berejiklian cited overseas public transport systems as "the main reason" COVID-19 had spread across some metropolitan areas, and pleaded with NSW to steer clear of buses and trains during peak hour.

It is understood the government is also considering increasing car parking in the city to encourage people away from trains and buses, as well as installing temporary bike lanes.

Transport experts have warned Sydney’s road network is unlikely to cope if everyone swaps their bus or train commute for a car.

"We are looking at basically ‘carmageddon’, where all the roads are full with the people that were on buses and trains [but are now] in cars," University of Technology transport expert Mathew Hounsell said.

"You’re going to have the underlying problem that the road system cannot support all of the people that will need to come off public transport."

He said as well as temporary bike lanes and a shake-up to some bus services, the best way the government could maintain some order on the roads would be to keep people working at home or commuting outside of peak hours.

"There will be roughly 800,000 people now needing to travel without using public transport, they can’t all go onto the roads," Mr Hounsell said.

"We need to make some choices between what people are used to versus what will keep people safe in the long term."

Analysis of the city’s train system by the opposition suggested Sydney Trains would need to add an extra 230 services per hour during the peak to maintain 40 per cent capacity under pre-coronavirus crowding levels.

Opposition Transport spokesman Chris Minns said the government must increase peak services and make sure commuters had other options, such as temporary bike lanes, to get to work.

"Many of the tragedies we are seeing on overseas public transport systems can be avoided with the right plans in place. We can’t keep relying on luck rather than strategy," he said.

"We need to keep people off the system during peak times by encouraging businesses to stagger the start and finishing times of their employees."


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 7:00 am 
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I am cycling to work when I go in but even that is fraught with danger due to the incomplete and inadequate cyclepath network.

It will be carnage with more cars -really stupid messaging from the Premier which highlights the Libs Northshore mindset.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 12:16 pm 
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More cars simply won't work in Sydney. The place is already gridlocked.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 9:50 am 
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So what do we think of this stoush with China?

I am concerned that ScoMo went too hard in the wrong area. We need a global inquest after this. Finding out what China knew and when is vital. We also need to investigate how the rest of the world reacted and what can be done better next time.

Having said that, China wants our resources and we want to sell it to them. This won’t last. It’s a bit of Sabre rattling.

We do have a point here though. Having the most populated country in the world, and the next great superpower, as a dictatorship, is concerning. I hope there is significant international effort to change that.


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