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Albo
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39%
Plibbers
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6%
Bowen
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6%
Chalmers
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22%
Uncle Tony
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6%
Clive Palmer
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17%
George Smith
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6%
 
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Let me just slip in a few words regarding Josh Frydenberg: slimy bumgrub.

That is all. You may continue.
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Farva wrote:
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Im blown away that they have named her. She is clearly a shit person but saying so on national news? Seems excessive, and the hate that is about to come her way is massive.
Yep but they are all doing it. Funny how a few weeks ago masks were unnecessary and wearing them was not recommended and that had been the official line for many weeks.
To be fair there, the initial advice was given because people didn’t know how to use masks and the effects of masks was not as well known. Plus they thought that masks would mean people touch their face a lot more with a mask and at the time the thought was that the virus was spread more through touch and surfaces than it might be.
Now we know differently and masks have a lot of benefit. As such the advice has changed.
Yeah nah. There is lots of Asian counties that masks are widely used. Shortage of PPE was probably the reason but now suggesting any mask will do is more compliance than risk reduction. The large number of health workers testing positive shows even with best intentions and equipment its hard to keep safe if you are in a risky environment.
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Just spoken with a Victoria client. Have confirmed cases at a site with 100+ people and despite advising Vic Health etc they have had no advice , assistance etc. They are very concerned that they are dealing with on their own.
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kiwinoz wrote:even with best intentions and equipment its hard to keep safe if you are in a risky environment.
Sure. But it's not binary safe/unsafe. There are measures of degrees.
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kiap wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:even with best intentions and equipment its hard to keep safe if you are in a risky environment.
Sure. But it's not binary safe/unsafe. There are measures of degrees.
Of course but minmising the risk/interactions is key.
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kiwinoz wrote:
Farva wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:
Farva wrote:
Im blown away that they have named her. She is clearly a shit person but saying so on national news? Seems excessive, and the hate that is about to come her way is massive.
Yep but they are all doing it. Funny how a few weeks ago masks were unnecessary and wearing them was not recommended and that had been the official line for many weeks.
To be fair there, the initial advice was given because people didn’t know how to use masks and the effects of masks was not as well known. Plus they thought that masks would mean people touch their face a lot more with a mask and at the time the thought was that the virus was spread more through touch and surfaces than it might be.
Now we know differently and masks have a lot of benefit. As such the advice has changed.
Yeah nah. There is lots of Asian counties that masks are widely used. Shortage of PPE was probably the reason but now suggesting any mask will do is more compliance than risk reduction. The large number of health workers testing positive shows even with best intentions and equipment its hard to keep safe if you are in a risky environment.
Absolutely. The chief medical officer has said a few times that things like coverings dont do much.
But the point is they do something - they capture droplets that might otherwise have gone in to someones mouth. It will reduce the spread, even if not as much as if everyone had a hospital grade mask. And that wont be to zero, as evidenced by what you mention, doctors are getting it. Unfortunately multiple exposures for doctors means they are far more likely to get it even with a mask than I am when I duck down to Coles once a week.
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In New Zealand we have never ever been asked to wear masks. We locked down instead and have one of the most enviable records in the world.

22 deaths at 4 deaths/million. Australia once had this record but have dropped the ball. It is unfortunate but Australian people making excuses for that doesn't help.
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Muttonbirds wrote:In New Zealand we have never ever been asked to wear masks. We locked down instead and have one of the most enviable records in the world.

22 deaths at 4 deaths/million. Australia once had this record but have dropped the ball. It is unfortunate but Australian people making excuses for that doesn't help.
Qld, with a similar population to NZ, only went to L3 lockdown and had around only 1000 cases and 6 deaths.
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Muttonbirds wrote:In New Zealand we have never ever been asked to wear masks. We locked down instead and have one of the most enviable records in the world.

22 deaths at 4 deaths/million. Australia once had this record but have dropped the ball. It is unfortunate but Australian people making excuses for that doesn't help.
And you're helping by painting a mini silver fern on your microcock and waving it frantically?

You are providing an object lesson in why it is that other Kiwis clearly find you beyond exasperating and why you eventually get banned from every forum silly enough to let you register.
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MungoMan wrote:Let me just slip in a few words regarding Josh Frydenberg: slimy bumgrub.

That is all. You may continue.
He's not to be trusted as he won't shave his head :lol:
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Slimy Bumgrub is an awesome porn star name.
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Muttonbirds wrote:In New Zealand we have never ever been asked to wear masks. We locked down instead and have one of the most enviable records in the world.

22 deaths at 4 deaths/million. Australia once had this record but have dropped the ball. It is unfortunate but Australian people making excuses for that doesn't help.
Watch out mate you'll have Grev frothing at the mouth.

You may want to check the figures for Queensland Bro
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Muttonbirds wrote:In New Zealand we have never ever been asked to wear masks. We locked down instead and have one of the most enviable records in the world.

22 deaths at 4 deaths/million. Australia once had this record but have dropped the ball. It is unfortunate but Australian people making excuses for that doesn't help.
QLD has had just 6 deaths with 5.5 million people. Stay safe from your plague, boet :thumbup:
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It's curious how Australians have retreated to statism, each commenter 'othering' the neighbours in an effort to claim their version of Australia is doing well.

Countrymen should stick together for the common cause instead of creating regional imbalances through which Covid-19 is at its most dangerous. It's clear that countries which have done this have fared better.

It is also very clear that warmer climates such as Queensland have an advantage because the virus either doesn't survive as well or doesn't spread as much.
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Muttonbirds wrote: It is also very clear that warmer climates such as Queensland have an advantage because the virus either doesn't survive as well or doesn't spread as much.
Except for, you know, those warm places like Florida where the virus is almost out of control.
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Muttonbirds wrote:It's curious how Australians have retreated to statism, each commenter 'othering' the neighbours in an effort to claim their version of Australia is doing well.

Countrymen should stick together for the common cause instead of creating regional imbalances through which Covid-19 is at its most dangerous. It's clear that countries which have done this have fared better.

It is also very clear that warmer climates such as Queensland have an advantage because the virus either doesn't survive as well or doesn't spread as much.
And South Australia then? Is it our tropical winters that save us too?
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Sensible Stephen wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:It's curious how Australians have retreated to statism, each commenter 'othering' the neighbours in an effort to claim their version of Australia is doing well.

Countrymen should stick together for the common cause instead of creating regional imbalances through which Covid-19 is at its most dangerous. It's clear that countries which have done this have fared better.

It is also very clear that warmer climates such as Queensland have an advantage because the virus either doesn't survive as well or doesn't spread as much.
And South Australia then? Is it our tropical winters that save us too?
No-one wants to go to SA so you are safe. :thumbup:
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Could someone please teach Mutton the first law of holes?
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Muttonbirds wrote:It's curious how Australians have retreated to statism, each commenter 'othering’ blah blah blah...
Let me spell this out for you, knucklehead. Literally.

F.E.D.E.R.A.T.I.O.N.

An Australian Government exists because each colony agreed with every other colony to make it so. And when it was so, the colonies became states rather than disappearing; and each had its own government.

NZ took a different course because the British Government did not decide to formally make the country a colony until well after Brit settlement had begun, and even then it was initially included as part of the Crown colony of New South Wales. Which would not have been the case, had the original people of the land been those deciding.

In short, the unitary state comprising today’s Aotearoa exists because white folk in Straya and GB thought that was the way to go.
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MungoMan wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:It's curious how Australians have retreated to statism, each commenter 'othering’ blah blah blah...
Let me spell this out for you, knucklehead. Literally.

F.E.D.E.R.A.T.I.O.N.

An Australian Government exists because each colony agreed with every other colony to make it so. And when it was so, the colonies became states rather than disappearing; and each had its own government.

NZ took a different course because the British Government did not decide to formally make the country a colony until well after Brit settlement had begun, and even then it was initially included as part of the Crown colony of New South Wales. Which would not have been the case, had the original people of the land been those deciding.

In short, the unitary state comprising today’s Aotearoa exists because white folk in Straya and GB thought that was the way to go.
I bet the residents of Melbourne are regretting not climbing on board then. I like the idea of New Zealand expanding into South East Australia. Victorians would be much better protected under our government...
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Muttonbirds wrote:I like the idea of New Zealand expanding into South East Australia
Like a colostomy bag into a stoma.
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Interesting fallout from the bushfires:
  • Rupert Murdoch’s Son James Resigns From News Corp. Due To ‘Disagreements’

    Elana Lyn Gross Forbes Staff
    Jul 31, 2020, 07:37pm EDT


    James Murdoch, the youngest son of billionaire media mogul Rupert Murdoch, resigned from the board of his family’s News Corp. Friday due to “disagreements,” marking his final pivot from formal roles at his family’s media empire.

    In his resignation letter Murdoch wrote, “my resignation is due to disagreements over certain editorial content published by the Company’s news outlets and certain other strategic decisions,” he had been on the board since 2013.

    His father, who is executive chairman of News Corp. and his brother Lachlan, who is co-chairman, said in a joint statement Friday: “We’re grateful to James for his many years of service to the company,” adding, “We wish him the very best in his future endeavors.”

    In January, Murdoch publicly criticized the family’s news outlets for their “ongoing denial” of the links between climate change and bushfires in Australia — News Corp. owns several papers in Britain and Australia and others, including The Wall Street Journal and The New York Post.

    Murdoch had already departed Fox Corporation, the family’s television and entertainment holding that houses Fox News, after his family transferred many of its assets to The Walt Disney Company in a $71.3 billion deal inked in 2018.

    Rupert chose Lachlan to be head of Fox Corporation, but a role was not carved out for Murdoch, who had been CEO of 21st Century Fox from 2015 until it was sold to Disney — he moved on to start his investment firm Lupa Systems, after reportedly netting $2 billion from the deal.

    Murdoch remains a beneficiary of his family’s trust — Forbes estimates that Rupert and his family’s net worth is $16.9 billion.

    SURPRISING FACT
    HBO’s “Succession” is thought to be loosely based on the family. Murdoch told the New Yorker he hasn’t seen it.

    KEY BACKGROUND
    While his father is conservative, Murdoch told the New Yorker last year that the 2020 election is “a really crucial moment” for liberal democratic values and admitted, “there are views I really disagree with on Fox.”

    He and his wife Kathryn have backed Democratic candidates and sustainability companies and causes and co-founded the foundation Quadrivium which focuses on climate change, ocean health and democracy, among other things.

    “Quadrivium is working to restore the health of our U.S. democracy at a time of increasing polarization and dysfunction within the system,” the site reads.

    Federal Election Commission receipts show that Murdoch and his wife jointly contributed more than $1 million to a fundraising committee for former Vice President Joe Biden, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, in June.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... ments/amp/
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6.Jones wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:I like the idea of New Zealand expanding into South East Australia
Like a colostomy bag into a stoma.
I like the idea of Muttonbirds catching Covid19 in conjunction with a nasty case of syphilis.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.
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guy smiley wrote:I like the idea of Muttonbirds catching Covid19 in conjunction with a nasty case of syphilis.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.
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guy smiley wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:I like the idea of New Zealand expanding into South East Australia
Like a colostomy bag into a stoma.
I like the idea of Muttonbirds catching Covid19
Log of for a while, mate. That is an appalling post.
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Muttonbirds wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:I like the idea of New Zealand expanding into South East Australia
Like a colostomy bag into a stoma.
I like the idea of Muttonbirds catching Covid19
Log of for a while, mate. That is an appalling post.
Say that in a mirror :nod:
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guy smiley wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:I like the idea of New Zealand expanding into South East Australia
Like a colostomy bag into a stoma.
I like the idea of Muttonbirds catching Covid19 in conjunction with a nasty case of syphilis.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.
No fan of the mutton but that really is an abysmal post
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The Federal Government seems to have completely abandoned Victoria. Seems a bit unfortunate.
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grievous wrote: No fan of the mutton but that really is an abysmal post
Sure. Get outraged.

I realise the pointless nature of lowering yourself to another’s level... but that cnut has been shamelessly trolling and trumpeting on the back of NZ’s lockdown success, amongst all the other shit he trolls on... including attacking expat Kiwis like me for being expats. F**k him, deserves a kick in the sack.
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guy smiley wrote:
grievous wrote: No fan of the mutton but that really is an abysmal post
Sure. Get outraged.

I realise the pointless nature of lowering yourself to another’s level... but that cnut has been shamelessly trolling and trumpeting on the back of NZ’s lockdown success, amongst all the other shit he trolls on... including attacking expat Kiwis like me for being expats. F**k him, deserves a kick in the sack.
Rubbish. I've made a comment on the NZ politics thread which explains my position on Covid response.

I don't know why you're so sensitive about being an expat. You don't have to be an expat, you know.
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Bindi wrote:The Federal Government seems to have completely abandoned Victoria. Seems a bit unfortunate.
It does seem that way. Disappointing.
Businesses will suffer because of it.
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I hope we shut the Qld border again real soon. Saves most Qld businesses from a L3/L4 lockdown.
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kiwinoz wrote:I hope we shut the Qld border again real soon. Saves most Qld businesses from a L3/L4 lockdown.
Yeah, surely the economic benefit of keeping the borders open for a few more weeks pale in significance to closing down now and avoiding level 3? Let's let NSW get fully on top of their infections before we re-open. The fact that Sydney is 'closed' off but the rest of the state is open is a bit ridiculous.

In saying that, I suspect Morrison would support a High Court challenge if Palaszczuk did close her borders, or even threaten to withhold GST.
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Ali's Choice wrote:I suspect Morrison would support a High Court challenge if Palaszczuk did close her borders, or even threaten to withhold GST.
If Palaszczuk is smart, she will increase the NSW barrier because it wins on two counts, the second being politically.

Morrison might not like it but I doubt he will go full nuke on it.

Qld and WA are the only reason he is not on the opposition benches. So he'll watch Fat Clive's court case with a "hands off, it was never me" gesture.

Either way, that will take months to play out.
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I think Palaszczuk has nothing to lose by doing it. But that window may close quicker than she thinks, especially if people are bullshitting at borders.
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Ignoramus Matt Canavan has just said that the Federal government has no case to answer on anything Covid related.
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So a Federal government contractor who was working in Afghanistan received an exemption from DFAT to skip quarantine. Turns out he's been walking around QLD with Covid-19. How can the government grant exemptions to overseas returnees during a time like this, and then blame the states when infections spread? Makes you wonder how many similar exemptions were granted in Melbourne prior to the 2nd wave?
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:Ignoramus Matt Canavan has just said that the Federal government has no case to answer on anything Covid related.
Really. I'd say the buck stops with Scomo. He is the Prime Minister, is he not?
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Muttonbirds wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:Ignoramus Matt Canavan has just said that the Federal government has no case to answer on anything Covid related.
Really. I'd say the buck stops with Scomo. He is the Prime Minister, is he not?
Nope, in Australia the buck stops with whoever Rupert Murdoch says it stops with. He owns over 80% of our media outlets. And he love the PM. So almost 100% of negative coverage is directed towards the Victorian state premier.
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Not really political but snow in the inner north of Melbourne today.
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