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Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:18 am
by Ellafan
wamberal wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:41 pm Perottett is the scariest Oz pollie since Jo. Right wing Catholic zealot. Could do real damage if he gets in.
Quite. He's Abbot-like, but smarter. He'll probably work to undo the recently announced state climate change plan, and the recent pregnancy termination legislation. If he can do it, he'll roll back the rights of same sex marriage partners under state laws. I'm reminded of a clinical Vulcan observation, which rather applies here - Gladys' political opponents got what they wanted, but
"You may find that having is not so nearly pleasing a thing as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
- Cdr Spock

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:29 am
by wamberal
Who wanted to get rid of her?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:32 am
by Ellafan
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:29 am Who wanted to get rid of her?
You obviously didn't watch the drum last night.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 am
by Ali's Choice
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:25 am
by grievous
Gladys goes immediately, the rapist remains on the federal backbench.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:27 am
by grievous
wamberal wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:41 pm Perottett is the scariest Oz pollie since Jo. Right wing Catholic zealot. Could do real damage if he gets in.
The Nationals are far more dangerous

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:08 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:32 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:29 am Who wanted to get rid of her?
You obviously didn't watch the drum last night.
I thought you said you didn't watch the ABC?

Pru Goward was hilarious with her whataboutery about how good Gladys was until she was skewered by the 7.30 report journalist.

Trolls like you don't seem to understand that ICAC don't make a move without cause

Would you like a Joh-type situation with our elected officials here?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:16 am
by Ali's Choice
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:20 am
by Ted.
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 am Image
Unmitigated self serving tripe. Unsurprisingly parroted by the dim witted and those that want to influence them, i.e. the elites.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:08 am
by Slim 293
The major talking point from the Libs since yesterday seems to focus on...

ICAC - bad, overreaching... a "monster" according to one former Premier.

Except for when, ya know... Obeid?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:54 am
by wamberal
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:08 am The major talking point from the Libs since yesterday seems to focus on...

ICAC - bad, overreaching... a "monster" according to one former Premier.

Except for when, ya know... Obeid?
It was set up under a Coalition Government, if memory serves.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:39 am
by Ellafan
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:08 am
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:32 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:29 am Who wanted to get rid of her?
You obviously didn't watch the drum last night.
I thought you said you didn't watch the ABC?

Pru Goward was hilarious with her whataboutery about how good Gladys was until she was skewered by the 7.30 report journalist.

Trolls like you don't seem to understand that ICAC don't make a move without cause

Would you like a Joh-type situation with our elected officials here?
What do expect me to watch? Commercial TV?

Pru Goward explained it very well, but the the excitable young dumbledore from 730 wasn't going to have his own little mini Woodward & Bernstein moment deflated by someone older and wiser explaining the facts of life to him. He was far too full of his own importance and excited with his success in bringing down the enemy LNP premier. He's a legend in his own mind.

I dismiss your trolling assertion as a mere insult unworthy of a detailed response.

And no, no-one wants a Qld situation here, especially after the labor criminal scrum trio in the Keneally government a few years ago era misused their position for personal gain.

Edit: Spelling

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:50 am
by Ellafan
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:54 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:08 am The major talking point from the Libs since yesterday seems to focus on...

ICAC - bad, overreaching... a "monster" according to one former Premier.

Except for when, ya know... Obeid?
It was set up under a Coalition Government, if memory serves.
IIRC it was set up after the Rex Jackson saga, possibly by Nick Greiner.

In terms of over-reaching, yes it does. It decided to enquire into a senior DPP prosecutor a few years ago, and proceeded to go on a complete witch-hunt. In the end the Courts knocked that on the head.

And the Obeid/Tripodi/Mcdonald episode is exactly the sort of actual money making criminal corruption that it was intended to detect and stamp out.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:24 am
by Ali's Choice
So just to clarify your position Ellafan, you're critical of ICAC when it targets corruption committed by Liberal Party MP's, but a staunch supporter of ICAC when it targets corruptions committed by Labor MP's?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:29 am
by grievous
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:54 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:08 am The major talking point from the Libs since yesterday seems to focus on...

ICAC - bad, overreaching... a "monster" according to one former Premier.

Except for when, ya know... Obeid?
It was set up under a Coalition Government, if memory serves.
And culled 3 of their premiers :lol:

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:32 am
by grievous
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:24 am So just to clarify your position Ellafan, you're critical of ICAC when it targets corruption committed by Liberal Party MP's, but a staunch supporter of ICAC when it targets corruptions committed by Labor MP's?
I assume thats what the Fox after dark mob are saying too, we should all pitch in and get Sluggy a subscription to end his daily wind bagging of the ABC.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:51 am
by Ellafan
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:24 am So just to clarify your position Ellafan, you're critical of ICAC when it targets corruption committed by Liberal Party MP's, but a staunch supporter of ICAC when it targets corruptions committed by Labor MP's?
Oh there are corrupt people on both sides of NSW politics. The corrupt ALP politicians don't usually stand for Premier, because everyone knows they're crooks who might end up in gaol. It must be devastating for you that the Party that you support so passionately and so loyally on this forum has had 3 corrupt members face criminal corruption charges in recent years in such disgraceful circumstances. Perhaps in time you'll reflect on your decisions, and the politicians that you support?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:56 am
by Ali's Choice
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:24 am So just to clarify your position Ellafan, you're critical of ICAC when it targets corruption committed by Liberal Party MP's, but a staunch supporter of ICAC when it targets corruptions committed by Labor MP's?
Oh there are corrupt people on both sides of NSW politics. The corrupt ALP politicians don't usually stand for Premier, because everyone knows they're crooks who might end up in gaol. It must be devastating for you that the Party that you support so passionately and so loyally on this forum has had 3 corrupt members face criminal corruption charges in recent years in such disgraceful circumstances. Perhaps in time you'll reflect on your decisions, and the politicians that you support?
Strange comment, unlike you I am very happy for corrupt politicians, regardless of their party, to be investigated by ICAC and be punished accordingly.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:15 am
by Ellafan
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:56 am
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:24 am So just to clarify your position Ellafan, you're critical of ICAC when it targets corruption committed by Liberal Party MP's, but a staunch supporter of ICAC when it targets corruptions committed by Labor MP's?
Oh there are corrupt people on both sides of NSW politics. The corrupt ALP politicians don't usually stand for Premier, because everyone knows they're crooks who might end up in gaol. It must be devastating for you that the Party that you support so passionately and so loyally on this forum has had 3 corrupt members face criminal corruption charges in recent years in such disgraceful circumstances. Perhaps in time you'll reflect on your decisions, and the politicians that you support?
Strange comment, unlike you I am very happy for corrupt politicians, regardless of their party, to be investigated by ICAC and be punished accordingly.
That is a pathetic strawman attempt. Anyway, it's an adjusted copy of your stupid inflammatory comment from yesterday.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:24 am
by Ellafan
Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:20 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 am Image
Unmitigated self serving tripe. Unsurprisingly parroted by the dim witted and those that want to influence them, i.e. the elites.
He was also the main anti-lockdown proponent in cabinet. I anticipate that the lefty celebrations of Gladys' resignation will be replaced by long loud, and vitriolic whining about the replacement within days.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am
by wamberal
Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:45 am
by Ellafan
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.
It's the old story Wambers - be careful what you wish for. The opposition parties went after Gladys (starting with the grandstanding for the cameras in the MLC committee hearing) and she has been forced to resign. Now, if not "Dom Trump" - they get the other guy who is also a godsquadder.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:57 am
by Ali's Choice
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:45 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.
It's the old story Wambers - be careful what you wish for. The opposition parties went after Gladys (starting with the grandstanding for the cameras in the MLC committee hearing) and she has been forced to resign. Now, if not "Dom Trump" - they get the other guy who is also a godsquadder.
Spoilt for choice in NSW. Your crooked premier quits due to a shameful corruption investigation and your next options is Australia's own version of Donald Trump. Chris Minns looks better every day.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:06 am
by Ellafan
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:57 am
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:45 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.
It's the old story Wambers - be careful what you wish for. The opposition parties went after Gladys (starting with the grandstanding for the cameras in the MLC committee hearing) and she has been forced to resign. Now, if not "Dom Trump" - they get the other guy who is also a godsquadder.
Spoilt for choice in NSW. Your crooked premier quits due to a shameful corruption investigation and your next options is Australia's own version of Donald Trump. Chris Minns looks better every day.
Actually, the allegation for which she is being investigated does not amount to "crooked" criminal corruption, even if proven, which has yet to happen. Unlike the crimes of the labour trio of Tripodi, Obeid and the other fellow. What we can be sure of is you will be leading the charge in the hyperbolic whining about whoever takes over. You'll be calling for Gladys to be re-instated.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:39 am
by koroke hangareka
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:45 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.
It's the old story Wambers - be careful what you wish for. The opposition parties went after Gladys (starting with the grandstanding for the cameras in the MLC committee hearing) and she has been forced to resign. Now, if not "Dom Trump" - they get the other guy who is also a godsquadder.
Well, that's not bad news for the opposition, is it? The less appealing the Premier, the better for them.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:12 am
by Ellafan
koroke hangareka wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:39 am
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:45 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.
It's the old story Wambers - be careful what you wish for. The opposition parties went after Gladys (starting with the grandstanding for the cameras in the MLC committee hearing) and she has been forced to resign. Now, if not "Dom Trump" - they get the other guy who is also a godsquadder.
Well, that's not bad news for the opposition, is it? The less appealing the Premier, the better for them.
Less appealing to who? There is no doubt the rusted on ALP/Greens voters who form the majority on this thread won't find him appealing, but that won't matter in the end.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:23 am
by wamberal
Rob Stokes is a Sydney Anglican!!! So was Baird, of course. He didn't last long. Maybe G*d told him to move on.

Are they all religious cranks? I think we should be told.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:46 am
by Slim 293
Perrottet about to announce he'll be the next former corrupt* Premier of NSW...

*ICAC permitting.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:03 am
by koroke hangareka
Ellafan wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:12 am
koroke hangareka wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:39 am
Ellafan wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:45 am
wamberal wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:37 am Let's get back to the important question of the day: how to keep Perottett out of the Premier's office. Fark me, he would be all we need. At least he is not a Pentecostal. Come to think of it, maybe the fact that he is a left-footer, and an ardent one at that, will rub Scummo the wrong way.
It's the old story Wambers - be careful what you wish for. The opposition parties went after Gladys (starting with the grandstanding for the cameras in the MLC committee hearing) and she has been forced to resign. Now, if not "Dom Trump" - they get the other guy who is also a godsquadder.
Well, that's not bad news for the opposition, is it? The less appealing the Premier, the better for them.
Less appealing to who? There is no doubt the rusted on ALP/Greens voters who form the majority on this thread won't find him appealing, but that won't matter in the end.
That's irrelevant to the opposition though, isn't it?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:27 am
by Dozy

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:30 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Ellafan wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:12 am
Less appealing to who? There is no doubt the rusted on ALP/Greens voters who form the majority on this thread won't find him appealing, but that won't matter in the end.
I see you're supporting another compatriot from your University :lol:

You well know, of course, that ICAC cannot by law, delay it's investigation.

Berejiklian is also compelled to report any dodginess from Diamond Darrell.

You're point about Obeid, etc is interesting - but, as you state, he was far too cunning to become Premier.

It's simple - don't get caught with you fingers in the cookie jar :nod:

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:21 am
by Ellafan
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:30 am
Ellafan wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:12 am
Less appealing to who? There is no doubt the rusted on ALP/Greens voters who form the majority on this thread won't find him appealing, but that won't matter in the end.
I see you're supporting another compatriot from your University :lol:

He is a homophobe and anti gay marriage. I am n0t supporting him. He probably tells anti-semitic holocaust jokes as well.

You well know, of course, that ICAC cannot by law, delay it's investigation.

Yes, and I have never suggested otherwise.

Berejiklian is also compelled to report any dodginess from Diamond Darrell.

Yes, but what is that a response to? I have never suggested otherwise. I have however suggested Kristine Keneally should also be facing investigation for failing to report dodginess from Obeid, Tripodi and MacDonald.

Good to see you agree, as a matter of principle, KK was compelled to do so, and failed to. :nod:


You're point about Obeid, etc is interesting - but, as you state, he was far too cunning to become Premier.

I did not say that - I said he knew there was no point running because everyone, including KK, knew he was a crook.

It's simple - don't get caught with you fingers in the cookie jar :nod:

Are you alleging Gladys took money and pocketed it? That is an extremely serious allegation, and not what ICAC is investigating.
You seem to be ignorant of what ICAC are actually investigating. There is no allegation of criminal behaviour on her part.
"The Commission is investigating whether, between 2012 and 2018, the Hon Gladys Berejiklian MP engaged in conduct that...constituted or involved a breach of public trust by exercising public functions in circumstances where she was in a position of conflict between her public duties and her private interest as a person who was in a personal relationship with the then NSW Member of Parliament, Mr Daryl Maguire."

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:33 pm
by grievous
Gladys resigned numbnuts.
Do the Libsplaining on that one

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:58 pm
by MungoMan
grievous wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:33 pm Gladys resigned numbnuts.
Do the Libsplaining on that one
Barilaro goooooorne! And oddly enough, me & th' lad were discussing what an oily and unlikeable prick he is just yesterday arvo.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:39 pm
by Ali's Choice
I have to say I didn't see John Barilaro's resignation coming.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/joh ... 1633297949

You'd have to think that he is leaving to have a tilt at Federal politics? But it makes a mockery of conservatives who have attacked ICAC for "bad timing" in its investigation of Berejiklian when her Deputy Premier then resigns three days later.

Three bye-elections is an interesting way for Dominic Perrottet to begin his Premiership. I suspect he is going to have a rough start, particularly with the amount of far-right, pro-Trump, religious conservative comments that he has posted on social media.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:42 pm
by grievous
And Constance leaving for a fed seat...rats jumping?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:46 pm
by Ali's Choice
grievous wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:42 pm And Constance leaving for a fed seat...rats jumping?
The timing is unusual for sure. I suspect they'll both end up contesting Federal seats. John Barilaro will fancy his chances in Eden Monaro up against the ALP's Kristy McBain. But she's a popular local member so its not a lay down mesire that he will be successful. I imagine that he's not well loved by everyone in NSW.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:54 pm
by Ali's Choice
Barilaro holding a presser now. Boasting that he secured $300 million for education infrastructure in his electorate. In the current climate, read the room dude.

Looks like he's leaving for personal reasons, claiming that he's having a mid life crisis.

He just refused to answer a question about whether he is being called before ICAC.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:42 am
by freewheelan
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:54 pm Barilaro holding a presser now. Boasting that he secured $300 million for education infrastructure in his electorate. In the current climate, read the room dude.

Looks like he's leaving for personal reasons, claiming that he's having a mid life crisis.

He just refused to answer a question about whether he is being called before ICAC.
So Barilaro is leaving because a comedian hurt his feelings, rather than trying to avoid giving evidence at the ICAC. Good to know!

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:47 am
by Ellafan
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:54 pm Barilaro holding a presser now. Boasting that he secured $300 million for education infrastructure in his electorate. In the current climate, read the room dude.

Looks like he's leaving for personal reasons, claiming that he's having a mid life crisis.

He just refused to answer a question about whether he is being called before ICAC.
No doubt that will give rise to lots of conspiracy theories.