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Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:54 pm Barilaro holding a presser now. Boasting that he secured $300 million for education infrastructure in his electorate. In the current climate, read the room dude.

Looks like he's leaving for personal reasons, claiming that he's having a mid life crisis.

He just refused to answer a question about whether he is being called before ICAC.

No doubt that will give rise to lots of conspiracy theories.

Not sure if you watched his presser this morning, but his response to the ICAC question was unusual.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:46 pm

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:42 pm And Constance leaving for a fed seat...rats jumping?

The timing is unusual for sure. I suspect they'll both end up contesting Federal seats. John Barilaro will fancy his chances in Eden Monaro up against the ALP's Kristy McBain. But she's a popular local member so its not a lay down mesire that he will be successful. I imagine that he's not well loved by everyone in NSW.

Eden Monaro has never been safe for either party - historically it has been a litmus test seat. It has a diverse population - coastal towns, tourism, fishing industry, workers, farmers, public servants from Canberra who are enrolled in the electorate, and head down to their holiday house on election weekend. It's a small margin seat which often aligns with the overall election outcome.

As for your "read the room" comment about JB claiming to have secured infrastructure spending in his electorate, the only room that counts is the one with the the Eden Monaro polling booth in it. JB will clip the enraged headlines about it, and show them to the electors there as often as he possibly can.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:49 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:54 pm Barilaro holding a presser now. Boasting that he secured $300 million for education infrastructure in his electorate. In the current climate, read the room dude.

Looks like he's leaving for personal reasons, claiming that he's having a mid life crisis.

He just refused to answer a question about whether he is being called before ICAC.

No doubt that will give rise to lots of conspiracy theories.

Not sure if you watched his presser this morning, but his response to the ICAC question was unusual.

I'll check it out on ivew.

He may simply have been subpoenaed to give evidence, and if so, he's probably not allowed to talk about it.

I'm trying to imagine how the media would react if Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk was forced to resign because she was facing a corruption watchdog, and then three days later her Deputy Premier Steven Miles resigned for personal reasons. The Courier Mail's headquarters would explode.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:12 am I'm trying to imagine how the media would react if Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk was forced to resign because she was facing a corruption watchdog, and then three days later her Deputy Premier Steven Miles resigned for personal reasons. The Courier Mail's headquarters would explode.

They would explode with delight.

Australia needs to introduce a modern form of proscription to reign in the deceit, lies, obfuscation, and financial cheating of the rich and powerful. The Murdochs would be a good place to start.

freewheelan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:36 am Australia needs to introduce a modern form of proscription to reign in the deceit, lies, obfuscation, and financial cheating of the rich and powerful. The Murdochs would be a good place to start.

Murdoch pere proscribed himself, citizenship-wise, by becoming a seppo. Dunno about the juniors.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:30 am

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:04 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:57 am

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:51 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:48 am

THAT time.

As much as Baz looks like someone with their snout in the trough, was he ever actually identified as such?

You don't resign over a bottle of wine...

Could be a sign of his respect for the office. Do you have anything to base this on or are you making assumptions?

It's "worse case" Pat. He believes in Sod's law.

On a more serious note, apparently the enquiry into Queen Gladys relates to the proposition she might have "breached public trust". While having shit taste in boyfriends is regrettable, is there any further consequence to that? It all sounds a bit vague. It's not like she took paper bags of money like Rex Jackson, Eddy Obeid, Joe Tripodi who all faced criminal charges.

She siphoned funds on the basis of personal gain as opposed to the benefit of the public good.
I agree its not as bad as Obeid, Tripodi, etc.
I also dont think its as bad as say a senior minister raping someone and then accepting cash donations from an unnamed source to sue the organisation that identified it, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as knowing about a rape in a ministers office, and then covering that up and bullying the person into not going to the police, again, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as say buying back water at inflated rates to a company owned by a sitting minister in the same party, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as buying a plot of land for 10x the value from a major party donor, that wont be needed for another 30 years, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as funding child care centres on land that is owned by a sitting member of parliament, the same member who signed off on those payments, if that hypothetically happened.

Its probably on par with allocating car parking funds to seats that were marginal for the sitting government, or doing the same to sporting clubs in seats that were marginal, as opposed to locations / clubs that would have received it on merit. Should that hypothetically happen of course.

All of these things are demonstrations of a lack of integrity, if they hypothetically happened of course.

Farva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:00 am

Ellafan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:30 am

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:04 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:57 am

Zakar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:51 am

As much as Baz looks like someone with their snout in the trough, was he ever actually identified as such?

You don't resign over a bottle of wine...

Could be a sign of his respect for the office. Do you have anything to base this on or are you making assumptions?

It's "worse case" Pat. He believes in Sod's law.

On a more serious note, apparently the enquiry into Queen Gladys relates to the proposition she might have "breached public trust". While having shit taste in boyfriends is regrettable, is there any further consequence to that? It all sounds a bit vague. It's not like she took paper bags of money like Rex Jackson, Eddy Obeid, Joe Tripodi who all faced criminal charges.

She siphoned funds on the basis of personal gain as opposed to the benefit of the public good.
I agree its not as bad as Obeid, Tripodi, etc.
I also dont think its as bad as say a senior minister raping someone and then accepting cash donations from an unnamed source to sue the organisation that identified it, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as knowing about a rape in a ministers office, and then covering that up and bullying the person into not going to the police, again, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as say buying back water at inflated rates to a company owned by a sitting minister in the same party, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as buying a plot of land for 10x the value from a major party donor, that wont be needed for another 30 years, if that hypothetically happened.
Its not as bad as funding child care centres on land that is owned by a sitting member of parliament, the same member who signed off on those payments, if that hypothetically happened.

Its probably on par with allocating car parking funds to seats that were marginal for the sitting government, or doing the same to sporting clubs in seats that were marginal, as opposed to locations / clubs that would have received it on merit. Should that hypothetically happen of course.

All of these things are demonstrations of a lack of integrity, if they hypothetically happened of course.

I hate to disappoint you, but the ICAC aren't alleging that.

By the way, ALP are the kings of pork barrelling. I' don't recall you calling for heads to roll when they were doing it.

Pork barrelling was also widespread under the 2007-2013 Labor government, which was slammed by the National Audit Office in 2014 when it found 80 per cent of ministerial decisions to decline funding to recommended applications were in Coalition-held electorates.

I love a bit of whataboutery!

For the record. I have voted for the Coalition but have never voted ALP.

And while I fully support the ICAC, this post was more directed that our leadership right now is incredibly corrupt. That stuff isnt pork barrelling. Its directing millions of dollars of tax payer money into the pockets of ministers and party donors.

Farva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:52 am

I love a bit of whataboutery!

For the record. I have voted for the Coalition but have never voted ALP.

Id much prefer that the ALP get in at the moment than the coalition. However, there are plenty of ALP policy I dont agree with.

Id like to vote for the progressive elements of the Liberal party, as long as they are genuinely progressve. But since the right element has taken over. I dont want them anywhere near power.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:57 am

freewheelan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:36 am Australia needs to introduce a modern form of proscription to reign in the deceit, lies, obfuscation, and financial cheating of the rich and powerful. The Murdochs would be a good place to start.

Murdoch pere proscribed himself, citizenship-wise, by becoming a seppo. Dunno about the juniors.

I was thinking more about asset stripping and execution rather than fooling around with citizenship.

freewheelan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:20 am

MungoMan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:57 am

freewheelan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:36 am Australia needs to introduce a modern form of proscription to reign in the deceit, lies, obfuscation, and financial cheating of the rich and powerful. The Murdochs would be a good place to start.

Murdoch pere proscribed himself, citizenship-wise, by becoming a seppo. Dunno about the juniors.

I was thinking more about asset stripping and execution rather than fooling around with citizenship.

Asset-stripping and a sudden and unpleasant death would be A-OK with me as regards the Murdochs.

Is Australia going in to bat for the DPP

Nice! ^

Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:23 pm Slats pays the price for having a crack...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/m ... 99ed82c9b8

Back in May, Slater unloaded on the Prime Minister following the Australian government’s decision to block citizens from returning home from India.

Slater tweeted at the time: “If our Government cared for the safety of Aussies they would allow us to get home. It’s a disgrace!

“Blood on your hands PM. How dare you treat us like this. How about you sort out quarantine system.

“I had government permission to work on the IPL but I now have government neglect.

“And for those who think this is a money exercise. Well forget it. This is what I do for a living and I have not made a penny having left early. So please stop the abuse and think of the thousands dying in India each day. It’s called empathy. If only our government had some!”

Former Australian Test batter Michael Slater has reportedly been dumped by Channel 7 ahead of the 2021/22 summer of cricket.

Slater has served on Channel 7’s commentary team since the free-to-air broadcaster secured the cricket rights in 2018, but he has reportedly failed to win a new deal this year.

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As first revealed by The Daily Telegraph, Channel 7 decided not to renew the 51-year-old’s contract due to budgetary restraints.

“Unfortunately business decisions have to be made from time to time and unfortunately we’re not in a position to renew it (Slater’s contract),” Channel 7 Head of Sport Lewis Martin said in a statement.

Incontrovertible

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:38 pm Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

In time for the election? So you are looking for another Clive Palmer?
Independents will be the hit of the next election, sprouting from everywhere and traditional parties.

grievous wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:35 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:38 pm Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

In time for the election? So you are looking for another Clive Palmer?
Independents will be the hit of the next election, sprouting from everywhere and traditional parties.

I was thinking a stronger Green Party as the likely basis for a more viable third option.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:38 pm Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

When you say gone backwards, what are you basing this on?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 58xtj.html

Primary vote support for the federal government has fallen to 40 per cent in NSW and 37 per cent in Victoria amid a series of disputes over the response to the pandemic, down from 43 per cent and 39 per cent at the last election.

But Labor has also lost ground in the two states since the election, down from 35 to 32 per cent in NSW and 37 to 35 per cent in Victoria, in a sign that some voters may have shifted their allegiance to smaller parties and independents until closer to the election.

The exclusive results compile responses over the past three months from 4820 voters in the Resolve Political Monitor conducted for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, producing estimates with a margin of error of 1.4 per cent.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:06 am

grievous wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:35 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:38 pm Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

In time for the election? So you are looking for another Clive Palmer?
Independents will be the hit of the next election, sprouting from everywhere and traditional parties.

I was thinking a stronger Green Party as the likely basis for a more viable third option.

Greens appeal to no one and the old hippes even have mortgages now.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:06 am

grievous wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:35 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:38 pm Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

In time for the election? So you are looking for another Clive Palmer?
Independents will be the hit of the next election, sprouting from everywhere and traditional parties.

I was thinking a stronger Green Party as the likely basis for a more viable third option.

The Greens are going into the next election focussing on consolidating their current seats, acknowledging that they stretched themselves too thinly last go around and didn't get a heap done. They'll get their votes from the same places they have been for ages: women, middle-aged urban professionals, and anyone who cares about the environment, while their youth (under 35) vote will more than likely continue to rise.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. What would you consider stronger?

grievous wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:44 am
Greens appeal to no one and the old hippes even have mortgages now.

Who are you calling old, cunt!

They already get more votes than the Nats

Dumbledore wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:03 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:06 am

grievous wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:35 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:38 pm Interesting to see that Lib and Lab going backwards in NSW and Victoria.

Will a viable 3rd party capture that dissatisfaction and offer an alternative?

In time for the election? So you are looking for another Clive Palmer?
Independents will be the hit of the next election, sprouting from everywhere and traditional parties.

I was thinking a stronger Green Party as the likely basis for a more viable third option.

The Greens are going into the next election focussing on consolidating their current seats, acknowledging that they stretched themselves too thinly last go around and didn't get a heap done. They'll get their votes from the same places they have been for ages: women, middle-aged urban professionals, and anyone who cares about the environment, while their youth (under 35) vote will more than likely continue to rise.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. What would you consider stronger?

Had to snigger a bit while reading Katharine Murphy of The Guardian on the topic of climate change and the coalition. Here's a sample.

Banks – hard-headed institutions that they are – are merely heeding the requirements of regulators, both local and international, to manage their exposure to carbon risk. But according to the Pitt Declaration, safeguarding the interests of shareholders and customers through prudent lending practices (like not sprinting to bankroll planet cooking industries in inexorable decline) is … unAustralian.

But before anyone could say Venezuela, Pitt’s Queensland Nationals colleague Matt Canavan – a former Productivity Commission economist now apparently estranged from capitalism – was out and about with a different parable.

Canavan told a mildly startled Kieran Gilbert on Sky News that Australians should be prepared to pay higher interest rates in order to stare down international financiers managing carbon risk in global markets.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... on-climate

guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:57 pm ^

Newscorp...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology ... 896f6ff9e8



Joe Hildebrand

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. And AGW.

Its completely the case and is happening despite our government not because of it.

The Nationals in particular (well, Barnaby, Canavan, etc) are a blight on our political landscape and are not in the least bit in touch with their electorate who are experiencing massive droughts, etc.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:57 pm ^

Newscorp...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology ... 896f6ff9e8



Joe Hildebrand

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:22 pm Its completely the case and is happening despite our government not because of it.

The Nationals in particular (well, Barnaby, Canavan, etc) are a blight on our political landscape and are not in the least bit in touch with their electorate who are experiencing massive droughts, etc.

They become even more irrelevant when coal has had its day (even though there are many more minerals that will needed to be and continue to be mined such as precious metals).
Do they ever talk about food production, water? Much more relevant for the future and what a "rural" party should be talking about.
Barnaby wouldnt know which end of a sheep to feed.

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:20 pm

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:22 pm Its completely the case and is happening despite our government not because of it.

The Nationals in particular (well, Barnaby, Canavan, etc) are a blight on our political landscape and are not in the least bit in touch with their electorate who are experiencing massive droughts, etc.

They become even more irrelevant when coal has had its day (even though there are many more minerals that will needed to be and continue to be mined such as precious metals).
Do they ever talk about food production, water? Much more relevant for the future and what a "rural" party should be talking about.
Barnaby wouldnt know which end of a sheep to feed.

Sadly the Nationals will continue to be irrelevant because their constituents will generally continue to vote for them regardless of their performance. Take for example, Southwest QLD. The electorate of Warrego is one of the safest Federal seats in Australia and is held by David Littleproud. It is also one of the most socially disadvantaged regions in Australia, with the unemployment, crime, life expectancy, suicide and subsrance abuse data all well above national norms. Towns like Charleville and Cunnamulla are literally dying before their residents' eyes, yet they will continue to vote for the Nationals, whilst complaining about how bad things are and blaming 'Brisbane' and 'Canberra' for their problems.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:05 am

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:20 pm

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:22 pm Its completely the case and is happening despite our government not because of it.

The Nationals in particular (well, Barnaby, Canavan, etc) are a blight on our political landscape and are not in the least bit in touch with their electorate who are experiencing massive droughts, etc.

They become even more irrelevant when coal has had its day (even though there are many more minerals that will needed to be and continue to be mined such as precious metals).
Do they ever talk about food production, water? Much more relevant for the future and what a "rural" party should be talking about.
Barnaby wouldnt know which end of a sheep to feed.

Sadly the Nationals will continue to be irrelevant because their constituents will generally continue to vote for them regardless of their performance. Take for example, Southwest QLD. The electorate of Warrego is one of the safest Federal seats in Australia and is held by David Littleproud. It is also one of the most socially disadvantaged regions in Australia, with the unemployment, crime, life expectancy, suicide and subsrance abuse data all well above national norms. Towns like Charleville and Cunnamulla are literally dying before their residents' eyes, yet they will continue to vote for the Nationals, whilst complaining about how bad things are and blaming 'Brisbane' and 'Canberra' for their problems.

You mean Maranoa, not Warrego. I’m from there - it’s pretty much true. Cunnamulla has always been f**ked, but Charleville was once thriving as a regional service centre. It got bypassed by the upgraded highway, then services left (govt departments, bank etc). Apparently tree clearing laws are the current ill that is destroying the South West.

Climate change is the thing that will end the region though (unless, by a stroke of luck rainfall actually increases). It will be someone else’s fault, of course, when it all goes to shit (which TBF, apart from poor planning, it mostly is).

Interestingly, news.com.au have just published a look at temperature increases in Australia by 2050.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/envi ... 6441e8633e

That region is set to increase by around 1.7 degrees

I'm all for supporting the regional areas but the conversation needs to start being about which ones can survive and thrive - not all of them can.

An MP should be leading this conversation, but it won't be a Nationals one.

Bindi wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:01 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:05 am

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:20 pm

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:22 pm Its completely the case and is happening despite our government not because of it.

The Nationals in particular (well, Barnaby, Canavan, etc) are a blight on our political landscape and are not in the least bit in touch with their electorate who are experiencing massive droughts, etc.

They become even more irrelevant when coal has had its day (even though there are many more minerals that will needed to be and continue to be mined such as precious metals).
Do they ever talk about food production, water? Much more relevant for the future and what a "rural" party should be talking about.
Barnaby wouldnt know which end of a sheep to feed.

Sadly the Nationals will continue to be irrelevant because their constituents will generally continue to vote for them regardless of their performance. Take for example, Southwest QLD. The electorate of Warrego is one of the safest Federal seats in Australia and is held by David Littleproud. It is also one of the most socially disadvantaged regions in Australia, with the unemployment, crime, life expectancy, suicide and subsrance abuse data all well above national norms. Towns like Charleville and Cunnamulla are literally dying before their residents' eyes, yet they will continue to vote for the Nationals, whilst complaining about how bad things are and blaming 'Brisbane' and 'Canberra' for their problems.

You mean Maranoa, not Warrego. I’m from there - it’s pretty much true. Cunnamulla has always been f**ked, but Charleville was once thriving as a regional service centre. It got bypassed by the upgraded highway, then services left (govt departments, bank etc). Apparently tree clearing laws are the current ill that is destroying the South West.

Yup, Maranoa. I think Warrego was the state seat around Charleville.

Scotty and Barnaby sitting down today sketching out a plan for 2050, probably on one of those environmentally non friendly burger packages. I wonder what Scotty has to agree to, ridiculous situation by the so called coalition.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:33 am
"Barnaby Joyce doesn‘t have the experience of managing and dealing with COVID and is an embarrassment to the Australian Parliament.

“We won’t be taking his advice.”

Farva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:09 am Interestingly, news.com.au have just published a look at temperature increases in Australia by 2050.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/envi ... 6441e8633e

That region is set to increase by around 1.7 degrees

So, if rainfall increases, can they plant more bananas etc. ?