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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:13 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:07 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:46 am Overall the government spends less money on private school children than state school - so there is no subsidising, quite the opposite. Equity would be equal $$ per child, but fair to distribute this way as some parents can afford and fund a higher $$ per child in private schools.

The level of funding for private schools Australia is farcical. Especially when you consider how much more complex state schools are and how under-funded they are. There are much higher numbers of special needs, Indigenous, children in care and students, students with learning difficulties and students with behaviour challenges in state schools. Yet any time anyone mentions this they are accused by the Federal govt and News Ltd of engaging in class warfare.

You boast that the Federal government spends less a few thousand less on private students than public ones, but fail to consider how much more expensive it is to support students with complex needs. It is much, much more costly to appropriately support a child in care, a child who is addicted to sniffing solvents or a child with FASD than it is to support a Dr's child from Vaucluse.

A chip on my shoulder and a whippet apparently

Christ, I don't even have kids, yet understand the social compact better than neo-liberal numbers men.

They'll start talking about Trickle-down economics next

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:24 am I’m sure you’re right about the distribution of funding.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 am
Please - tell me more on your view of the social compact (should I assume that it’s me that you understand it better than?

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:34 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:24 am I’m sure you’re right about the distribution of funding.

The system is set up to encourage anyone who can afford it, to send their child to a private school. John Howard massively increased funding to private schools, which saw the flow from the public to private sector increase sharply in the 1990's. The problem is that the state systems are more and more becoming exclusively for children from poor families. And poverty is strongly linked to many factors that relate to complexity. Poor children are more likely to have a disability, or learning difficulty, or behaviour problems. So the state system is becoming more and more complex, whilst simultaneously getting less and less money because they are funded on enrolments, which are slowly declining as middle class families opt for private schools.

Shrekles wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:21 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:34 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:24 am I’m sure you’re right about the distribution of funding.

The system is set up to encourage anyone who can afford it, to send their child to a private school. John Howard massively increased funding to private schools, which saw the flow from the public to private sector increase sharply in the 1990's. The problem is that the state systems are more and more becoming exclusively for children from poor families. And poverty is strongly linked to many factors that relate to complexity. Poor children are more likely to have a disability, or learning difficulty, or behaviour problems. So the state system is becoming more and more complex, whilst simultaneously getting less and less money because they are funded on enrolments, which are slowly declining as middle class families opt for private schools.

My school is a case in point. We are the only public high school in an area surrounded by 6 private high schools. Our population of school age children is increasing dramatically with the influx of families leaving Sydney but our roll is dropping as most of these families are affluent enough to afford the private school fees.

When I first started there we had Three support classes - next year we will have six.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:18 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 am
Please - tell me more on your view of the social compact (should I assume that it’s me that you understand it better than?

You certainly write with an odd cadence - what are you asking?

Shrekles wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:04 am Greg, those stats don’t account for the split between primary and secondary school - the vast majority of private school students are secondary students. This is changing in my district however, as several of the private schools have opened junior schools as well and will only guarantee a secondary place for students who also attend their primary school.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:52 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:18 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:26 am
Please - tell me more on your view of the social compact (should I assume that it’s me that you understand it better than?

You certainly write with an odd cadence - what are you asking?

Initially would be what the hell is the ‘social compact’ you are referring to.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm I just popped in to see what you lot made of un-elected Senator Lidia Thorpe's disgusting behavior in the senate a few days ago. I was expecting 2-3 pages of incensed moral outrage.

Apparently none of you are aware of it.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm I just popped in to see what you lot made of un-elected Senator Lidia Thorpe's disgusting behavior in the senate a few days ago. I was expecting 2-3 pages of incensed moral outrage.

Apparently none of you are aware of it.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:58 pm

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm I just popped in to see what you lot made of un-elected Senator Lidia Thorpe's disgusting behavior in the senate a few days ago. I was expecting 2-3 pages of incensed moral outrage.

Apparently none of you are aware of it.

Funny comment since you now openly laugh about Coalition sex scandals and bullying allegations, and boast that Australian voters don't care. Your faux outrage at Thorp's comment is pathetic.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:26 am You should at least try and make your strawmen faintly plausible, if you want to get any traction. The fact is, if an LNP senator had said it to her, you'd be all over it like a bunch of blowies on a cowpat.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:26 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:58 pm

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm I just popped in to see what you lot made of un-elected Senator Lidia Thorpe's disgusting behavior in the senate a few days ago. I was expecting 2-3 pages of incensed moral outrage.

Apparently none of you are aware of it.

Funny comment since you now openly laugh about Coalition sex scandals and bullying allegations, and boast that Australian voters don't care. Your faux outrage at Thorp's comment is pathetic.

You should at least try and make your strawmen faintly plausible, if you want to get any traction. The fact is, if an LNP senator had said it to her, you'd be all over it like a bunch of blowies on a cowpat.

I skimmed through all the (repetitive) recent posts here about LNP this, and Scomo that, and how could people vote for them? The answer is because the alternative - the ALP doing deals with the likes of Thorpe to get bills through the senate is more than a little off-putting. The reality though, is that in a week or so most people will have forgotten about it, and the 3% or so of the electorate whose swinging vote determines the outcome of elections will vote on whatever basis they usually do.

Slim 293 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:50 am In other news...

Peta Credlin has issued a lengthy apology on air for claiming the largely Christian South Sudanese community in Melbourne spread Covid via Ramadan dinners... and for suggesting they don't speak English.

Thomas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:18 am

Slim 293 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:50 am In other news...

Peta Credlin has issued a lengthy apology on air for claiming the largely Christian South Sudanese community in Melbourne spread Covid via Ramadan dinners... and for suggesting they don't speak English.

She's done quite a bit of apologising lately. Personally, I'd prefer it if she just gave up being a journalist/LNP lickspittle and fucked off for good.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:42 am Will Scotty be able to conjure up another miracle?

Ellafan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:52 pm Wrong question.

You should be asking "Will Mr Beige fuck this up like Shifty Shorten did?".

A visitor from Alpha Centauri reading this thread could only get the impression that it's a shoe-in for labour.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 am

towny wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:21 am Anyway, I think ScoMo and the bogan majority should be favourites.

Agreed... I've lifted this from comments on Reddit

Last election LNP won 51.5% of the vote and Labor got 48.5% (TPP).

LNP won 77 seats and Labor won 68 seats. This is 1 seat per 0.669% of the vote for the LNP and 1 seat per 0.713% for Labor based on TPP.

This disparity can be caused by how voters are spread amongst electorates, either naturally/by chance or due to gerrymandering.

76 seats was the winning margin at the last election.

This means the LNP needed 50.9% to get 76 and win, however Labor would need 54.2% to get 76 and win.

Therefore 53% would not have won the last election for Labor.

The Coalition are front runners this time around again. An ALP win would be a miracle and their only serious hope, already flat out denied by them, is power sharing with the Greens.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 am

towny wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:21 am Anyway, I think ScoMo and the bogan majority should be favourites.

Agreed... I've lifted this from comments on Reddit

Last election LNP won 51.5% of the vote and Labor got 48.5% (TPP).

LNP won 77 seats and Labor won 68 seats. This is 1 seat per 0.669% of the vote for the LNP and 1 seat per 0.713% for Labor based on TPP.

This disparity can be caused by how voters are spread amongst electorates, either naturally/by chance or due to gerrymandering.

76 seats was the winning margin at the last election.

This means the LNP needed 50.9% to get 76 and win, however Labor would need 54.2% to get 76 and win.

Therefore 53% would not have won the last election for Labor.

The Coalition are front runners this time around again. An ALP win would be a miracle and their only serious hope, already flat out denied by them, is power sharing with the Greens.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:47 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:40 am

So just to clarify, you're saying that the ALP could win the 2PP 53-47 and still lose the election? Has that ever happened before?

no, I'm not saying that.

grievous wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 am Scummo begging for The Bin Chicken to run on the Northern Beaches ticket was desperate. Hes starting to to dig into the bottom draw for options.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:59 am

towny wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:51 am
Cheers for that bleak reality.

It is a bit bleak but it's not a rusted on certainty. The poster that wrote that has ignored the cross bench and independents as a proportion and that, as Slim has suggested earlier, promises to be a minefield this time around.... more and more people are disenfranchised by the majors and are looking to smaller interest candidates.

I think the ALP and Greens should settle their differences, stop sniping at each other and look hard at the possibility of some sort of power sharing. There are seats where they will steal votes from each other, they could strategise those and remove the LNP from a few narrow margin spots.

Something like 75% of the electorate want more done on Climate Change. It's a vote winner. That, and not raping women.

Alan Jones begins new live show with rant about being silenced, before being cut off

Direct to the People reaches out to the mythical silent majority on Covid, coal – and the 389 bus route

They’re trying to silence me! You can’t swim in the ocean! They changed the 389 Bondi bus timetable! Won’t somebody think of the property developers?

Alan Jones, having lost his low-rating spot on Sky News and his regular rant in Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, is back with a new show called Direct to the People.

Jones began at 8pm on Monday night, thundering about being silenced. “You’re not allowed to have an alternative viewpoint,” he bellowed on YouTube, Facebook and his own website, while spruiking his new morning podcast.

“They won’t silence you or me,” he continued.

Alas, he was silenced.

After a dramatic introduction to the strains of Laura Branigan’s Gloria, all three feeds sputtered to a halt about 2.45 minutes in.

Jones’s online fans declared it a conspiracy of big tech. A post to his Facebook page said it was due to viewer demand. The YouTube ticker showed 1,778 people were tuning in.

The one-time 2GB shock jock was back two hours later, and delivered about an hour of fanciful and often fact-free ruminations.

On Covid: Only 2,000 people have died, there’s no proof lockdowns achieved anything, and you couldn’t swim in the ocean.

On climate change: They’re going to mandate electric cars.

On education: It’s “full of indoctrination”.

On the Sydney ferries: There’s no air inside.

On the 389 bus: “Out of the blue” it changed its route.

On property: Red tape is stifling progress and you need to “emancipate” people to build more homes.

Jones, freed of any obligations to civility or truth, said President Joe Biden “shouldn’t be allowed outside”, that Vice-President Kamala Harris was “unwanted by her own party”, and hinted that somehow 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton might end up in the top job.

The overarching theme was familiar. Jones is the man to give voice to the mythical silent majority. He sketched out an imagined Ye Olde Australia, a land where men are free and the 389 bus route cannot be changed without his permission.

He evoked nostalgia for this past where wealthy, high-profile Sydneysiders like him were free to say whatever they liked on the airwaves and be financially rewarded for it.

The New South Wales premier, Dominic Perrottet, joined the show. He displayed a remarkable nimbleness, and managed to keep Jones cheering for him while not actually agreeing with some of his more outlandish claims.

Jones and the Queensland senator Matt Canavan, that reliable outlier, egged each other on to new heights of adoration of coal and fear-mongering about renewables.

And then it was over, for now.

At last glance, Direct to the People had racked up 5,500 YouTube views. After that stuttering start, Jones chose not to end with the song he began with:

“If everybody wants you, why isn’t anybody callin’? / You don’t have to answer / Leave them hangin’ on the line, oh oh oh, calling Gloria.“

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:30 am Ellafan's beloved Prime Minister Scott Morrison was on Today this morning, boasting about the low number of deaths from Covid in Australia and blaming the slow roll-out of booster shots on the states. He also said there will be no mask mandates in NSW because "Australians don't like being told what to do".

ElementFreak wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:26 am

I hate the media in this country.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:22 am Albo gave him a good roasting over the backflip