(AERO)PLANE THREAD

Leading Edge · Post by **Leading Edge** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:26 pm

Calculus wrote:
Madness wrote:Can't compete with some of the in depth knowledge so going for a teaser

What 3 cockpits are these and what is the connection between them??

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I'm guessing

Hurricane
SE 5
Puma

but not sure about the connection

That is quite exceptional, Calculus.

I agree.
Hurricane has the steel tubing within cockpit, and the strip bracing on windscreen upper left and right.

Puma has the central wiper, and the cross brace on central windscreen.

The connection I assumed was that all three types were perhaps operated by a single RAF squadron.

This part I had to cheat slightly, and used google.
30 Sqn flew the Hurricane and Puma, but not the SE 5.
230 Sqn has only flown the Puma.

So I'm unsure too.

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:47 pm

Looks like Puma is a good call. Photo makes it hard to think it's a 2 seat but the odd location of the ball compass gives it away.

No2 is central to this and I have no idea based on a cockpit shot!!!! I'm nots sure about the SE5. On the right of the cockpit we can see what appears to be a spar/brace emanating from just fore of the cockpit on the fuselage and going DOWN. Unusual config if correct.

Madness · Post by **Madness** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:56 pm

Madness wrote:Can't compete with some of the in depth knowledge so going for a teaser

What 3 cockpits are these and what is the connection between them??

That didn't take long

It is a Hurricane, SE5 and a Puma, not surprised no one go the connection

They've all been piloted on operations by my family
SE5 - My great grandfather RFC
Hurricane - My grandfather RAF
Puma (my photo over Iraq) - RAF

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:59 pm

Madness wrote:[not surprised no one go the connection

They've all been piloted on operations by my family
SE5 - My great grandfather RFC
Hurricane - My grandfather RAF
Puma (my photo over Iraq) - RAF

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Hmm. 3 different eras and types of aircraft. The link has to be something esoteric like
- flown by 3 gens of the same family
- last of the production line
Something like that.

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:01 pm

BTW: the SE5 shot still has me confused by that apparent spar on the right.

Madness · Post by **Madness** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:01 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Madness wrote:[not surprised no one go the connection

They've all been piloted on operations by my family
SE5 - My great grandfather RFC
Hurricane - My grandfather RAF
Puma (my photo over Iraq) - RAF

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Hmm. 3 different eras and types of aircraft. The link has to be something esoteric like
- flown by 3 gens of the same family
- last of the production line
Something like that.

Sorry Torque missed the 3 gens thing, great guess and ac knowledge!!!

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:03 pm

Madness wrote:Sorry Torque missed the 3 gens thing, great guess and ac knowledge!!!

Only got the Hurricane and even then wasn't convinced. Brilliant work by Calculus but that SE5 photo is confusing. Maybe a perspective thing.

Any free rides let us know!!!!

OptimisticJock · Post by **OptimisticJock** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:25 pm

Madness wrote:
Madness wrote:Can't compete with some of the in depth knowledge so going for a teaser

What 3 cockpits are these and what is the connection between them??

That didn't take long

It is a Hurricane, SE5 and a Puma, not surprised no one go the connection

They've all been piloted on operations by my family
SE5 - My great grandfather RFC
Hurricane - My grandfather RAF
Puma (my photo over Iraq) - RAF

f**king bollocks you flew a Puma in the RAF!!!!!!

Your last post was on time

Madness · Post by **Madness** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:35 pm

OptimisticJock wrote:
Madness wrote:
Madness wrote:Can't compete with some of the in depth knowledge so going for a teaser

What 3 cockpits are these and what is the connection between them??

That didn't take long

It is a Hurricane, SE5 and a Puma, not surprised no one go the connection

They've all been piloted on operations by my family
SE5 - My great grandfather RFC
Hurricane - My grandfather RAF
Puma (my photo over Iraq) - RAF

f**king bollocks you flew a Puma in the RAF!!!!!!

Your last post was on time

Given me the wrong grid when you wanted a pick up and it was raining????
Never late, always taking a varied route to avoid pattern setting!!

OptimisticJock · Post by **OptimisticJock** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:43 pm

Translated for the civvies as "I got lost........... again"

Hawaiian_shirts_rule · Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:00 am

Leading Edge wrote:It's the Piaggio P.7, which was designed for the 1929 Schneider Trophy Race, which were the fastest planes in the world at the time.

It used hydroplanes instead of floats.
It had a novel clutch system that transferred power from the marine pusher propeller aft to the aero propellor forward once it was planing clear of the water.

I went to youtube to try and see what this plane flew like,...
the result is not as I had wanted, but it gives an indication....!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9rx0VcxBc

Leading Edge · Post by **Leading Edge** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:06 am

Hawaiian_shirts_rule wrote:
Leading Edge wrote:It's the Piaggio P.7, which was designed for the 1929 Schneider Trophy Race, which were the fastest planes in the world at the time.

It used hydroplanes instead of floats.
It had a novel clutch system that transferred power from the marine pusher propeller aft to the aero propellor forward once it was planing clear of the water.
I went to youtube to try and see what this plane flew like,...
the result is not as I had wanted, but it gives an indication....!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9rx0VcxBc

The concept was amazingly advanced for the 1920's, although probably a little too complex.

Just take a look at what was buzzing around the skies at the same time.
Even its cutting edge contemporaries, the other Schneider Trophy participants, look staid in comparison, even though they are beautiful machines.

On that note, the Macchi MC 72 still holds the piston engined seaplane speed record after almost 80 years.
It achieved an average speed of 709km/h (440mph) over 3 passes in 1934.
And what a beauty she is. Check out that row of exhaust pipes...

AD345 · Post by **AD345** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:02 am

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Leading Edge · Post by **Leading Edge** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:07 am

Lovely pics AD345!

The top one is an organised photocall with loads of South Korean F-16's, if I recall correctly.

And that picture of the Polish Su-17's with their wings at different settings is brilliant.

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:10 am

Leading Edge wrote:Lovely pics AD345!

The top one is an organised photocall with loads of South Korean F-16's, if I recall correctly.

And that picture of the Polish Su-17's with their wings at different settings is brilliant.

Great demonstration of variable geometry.

merlin the happy pig · Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:22 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lun_Ekranoplan.jpg

Always thought these were rather cool.
Boeing were thinking of making on a least twice as big as a giant freighter.

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:35 am

I know it’s not the most beautiful of planes but……

The documentary I watched on the development and building of this plane was nothing short of amazing. Some of the technology and engineering workarounds that they came up with were incredible. Having flown on these a couple of times I seriously wonder where passenger planes will go in the next decade. Bigger, faster, cleaner?

From this –

To that in about 80 years.

badmannotinjapan · Post by **badmannotinjapan** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:42 am

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:43 pm

Gazzamonster wrote:I know it’s not the most beautiful of planes but……
Spoiler: show

There was an airshow in Dublin a few weeks ago with one of these. As air shows go it was quiet enough, but they had a rake of commercial aircraft fly up the river a few times each.

The A380 went last. Seeing that low over the city is just bizarre. Looks like it shouldn't stay in the sky.

I took some pics on my phone, but there are much better ones online.

Civillian C-130. I forget the actual designation that it uses.

Spoiler: show

Two Air Corps' fisheries patrol CASA 235s with four PC9s.

Spoiler: show

Video of the same.

A380 flies past the stacks of the power station in Dublin Port.

Spoiler: show

obelixtim · Post by **obelixtim** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:47 pm

badmannotinjapan wrote:

Richard Pearses monoplane. Did he fly before the Wright Bros?.....A pity his flights weren't properly documented, but then I suppose everyone would have thought he was nuts....

Leading Edge · Post by **Leading Edge** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:32 pm

Nolanator wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:I know it’s not the most beautiful of planes but……
Spoiler: show
There was an airshow in Dublin a few weeks ago with one of these. As air shows go it was quiet enough, but they had a rake of commercial aircraft fly up the river a few times each.

The A380 went last. Seeing that low over the city is just bizarre. Looks like it shouldn't stay in the sky.

I took some pics on my phone, but there are much better ones online.

Civillian C-130. I forget the actual designation that it uses.
Spoiler: show
Two Air Corps' fisheries patrol CASA 235s with four PC9s.
Spoiler: show

Video of the same.

A380 flies past the stacks of the power station in Dublin Port.
Spoiler: show

Civilian C-130's go by the designation L-100.

There are also variants called the L-100-20 and L-100-30, which have fuselage plugs inserted to make the fuselage longer.

Reason being that in many load configurations, the cargo space is used up before the weight payload is even begun to be reached.

If I recall correctly, the RAF military C-130's got the L-100 fuselage lengthening treatment.

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:52 pm

Went and checked on the website, the one we saw was an L382G, apparently.
There was supposed to be an RAF C130, but it didn't make it.

It was fierce windy that day so some of the lighter aircraft didn't do their runs. You could see that the smaller ones were hopping all over the place trying to fly a straight line.

Here's the list of aircraft that were booked in. AFAIK, the RAF C130, the Iolar and the Cessnas didn't fly, unless I missed them at the very start.
The F86 Sabre and Hawker Hunter fly together, they were fairly savage. Serious noise as the manoeuvred.

Shrekles · Post by **Shrekles** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:13 am

obelixtim wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote:
Richard Pearses monoplane. Did he fly before the Wright Bros?.....A pity his flights weren't properly documented, but then I suppose everyone would have thought he was nuts....

It depends how you define 'flying'. It is reasonably accepted that he achieved the first powered takeoff but as he could not control the aircraft and crashed into a hedge he did not actually fly. The bizarre thing is that after that first attempt he gave up altogether.

Council · Post by **Council** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:16 pm

Strange aircraft from the 1950s

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... 1950s.html

Laurent · Post by **Laurent** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:21 pm

Stupid Yank crashed it

A5D5E5 · Post by **A5D5E5** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:32 pm

Nolanator wrote:The A380 went last. Seeing that low over the city is just bizarre. Looks like it shouldn't stay in the sky.

I used to work in Farnborough in the 90s and saw some amazing thing every couple of years when the air show was on, but one of the most incredible was seeing the Antonov come in to land. And the comment you made above was exactly the feeling I got then - no f**king way that thing should stay in the air. Simply incredible.

enzedder01 · Post by **enzedder01** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:13 pm

From Stalkbook - I know it's a RC model but I was impressed

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1388437691387049

backrow · Post by **backrow** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:40 pm

A toughie !

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:54 pm

Spoiler: show

enzedder01 · Post by **enzedder01** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:59 pm

JU87?

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:01 pm

enzedder01 wrote:JU87?

Nah, he's just had a hard life.

backrow · Post by **backrow** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:07 pm

Well done torq, did you know that ? Or just search !?

Never heard of it until last night, thought I'd share it on here.

Torquemada 1420 · Post by **Torquemada 1420** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:20 pm

backrow wrote:Well done torq, did you know that ? Or just search !?

Never heard of it until last night, thought I'd share it on here.

Had to trawl a couple of books. Thought it was eyetie initially. Then had to work my way East from invasion point to invasion point!

Zico · Post by **Zico** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:24 pm

Leading Edge · Post by **Leading Edge** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:33 pm

Buran on the largest aeroplane ever flown, the Antonov An 225.

badmannotinjapan · Post by **badmannotinjapan** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:01 am

A5D5E5 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:The A380 went last. Seeing that low over the city is just bizarre. Looks like it shouldn't stay in the sky.
I used to work in Farnborough in the 90s and saw some amazing thing every couple of years when the air show was on, but one of the most incredible was seeing the Antonov come in to land. And the comment you made above was exactly the feeling I got then - no f**king way that thing should stay in the air. Simply incredible.

To me it's not how the Antonov stays in the air it's how it doesn't sink through the ground.