Blonde girl taken from Roma family in Dublin

[C69]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that the McCann case is going to be solved quite soon?

I've got that feeling

This girl is 7.

Madeleine would be 10.

Child/sex traffickers should be executed in public.

Don't you dare say such a thing you will upset the Liberals and center righties on here

[merry!]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that the McCann case is going to be solved quite soon?

I've got that feeling

This girl is 7.

Madeleine would be 10.

Child/sex traffickers should be executed in public.

Don't you dare say such a thing you will upset the Liberals and righties on here

i'm all for making public examples (though hanging should be in jail).

but bring back the stocks, i say. i'd love to see some of the little scrotes try to act cool for a day (and night) in those..

[HighKingLeinster]

Pavee Point straight on the case, taking to the airwaves to tell us how misunderstood the Roma are

f**king joke of an organization. All over the airwaves if you call some scumbag a knacker but then thundering silence when knackers pillage the countryside attacking elderly pensioners or race their knackwagons down main roads

[C69]

"We know there are 1,000 women and girls for sale," she said, adding that many of these enter the trade while underage.

If you know this then do something about it then ffs

[ID2]

Pavee Point straight on the case, taking to the airwaves to tell us how misunderstood the Roma are

f**king joke of an organization. All over the airwaves if you call some scumbag a knacker but then thundering silence when knackers pillage the countryside attacking elderly pensioners or race their knackwagons down main roads

They're a detestable organization, funded by the government of course

[Hellraiser]

We need to be able to help these Roma people to stop them from stealing other people's children and ruining their lives. How can we help the Romas?

Gas chambers.

Properly pressure tested I hope?

With social workers if possible. Any that survive, bullet to the head.

[Frankie Lodge]

The Pikey's are going to love sharing their cultural caravan parks with those cut throat gangster fuckers. Every cloud eh? King of the gypsies, king of a shallow grave more like.

[lorcanoworms]

Pavee Point straight on the case, taking to the airwaves to tell us how misunderstood the Roma are

f**king joke of an organization. All over the airwaves if you call some scumbag a knacker but then thundering silence when knackers pillage the countryside attacking elderly pensioners or race their knackwagons down main roads

Yeah but those are the actions of just a small majority of pikeys.

[HighKingLeinster]

Pavee Point straight on the case, taking to the airwaves to tell us how misunderstood the Roma are

f**king joke of an organization. All over the airwaves if you call some scumbag a knacker but then thundering silence when knackers pillage the countryside attacking elderly pensioners or race their knackwagons down main roads

Yeah but those are the actions of just a small majority of pikeys.

but tis our culture!!!

[alliswell]

Racists, racists everywhere.

[Malahide Mullet]

Racists, racists everywhere.

Where?!?

[Boobs not Moobs]

Sorry it's a bit long, I've been digging to try and find out what happened.

Romanian gipsy gang 'snatched 200 children from homes to use them as beggars'
A gang of Romanian gipsy child-snatchers stole almost 200 poor children from their families and brought them to Britain to pick pockets, a court heard.

The gang has been described as a modern-day version of Fagin's urchins in the Charles Dickens' novel Oliver Twist.

However, the 181 children were beaten and abused, with some even deliberately disfigured to increase their earning potential, as disabled beggars were thought to generate more income.

Those who did not beg were forced to pick pockets, wash car windscreens or shoplift. The children then had to give every penny of their earnings to the men in control.

Prosecutors said many of the children – taken from some of the most deprived parts of Romania – were even schooled in crime before being trafficked into the UK to work.

Twenty-six men went on trial at Harghita Criminal Court accused of trafficking offences.

The defendants – from Tandarei in Ialomita county, southern Romania – are also charged with money laundering, firearms offences and membership of local mafia clans.

The gang came to the attention of the authorities in Romania after grand homes began to appear among the gipsy community at Tandarei which were being built for people who had no apparent income.

More than 300 officers raided addresses across Slough in Berkshire and in Romania.

Dozens of firearms including AK-47 assault rifles and grenade launchers were seized in raids on more than 30 properties and hundreds of thousands of pounds of cash, jewellery, cars and property were confiscated along with bogus child travel documents.

The youngsters, who ranged from a baby a few months old to a 17-year-old, were taken into care by Slough borough council.

Prosecutors from Romania's Directorate for Investigating Organised Crime and Terrorism (DIICOT) said the gang arranged the transport and bogus documents to get the children to Britain and then held them hostage in a series of safe houses run by the gangs.

Some were taught how to steal money from shops and restaurants while others were given instructions in burglary while under constant supervision by a gang member, court documents show.

A police spokesman said: "The children were told their families would be at risk if they tried to flee, and families were told the children would be harmed if they made a complaint to authorities."

The leaders of the group are identified in the court documents as Constantin Radu, Nicolae Schian, Tase Dumitru – nicknamed "Chinezul The Chinese", Mircea Niculae and Gheorghe Ion Dragusin.

Same low lifes

A leading member of a Romanian criminal gang, which is believed by police to be responsible for trafficking 181 children to Britain, has been jailed for conspiracy to defraud the benefits system.

Telus Dumitru, 36, was sentenced to four years and eight months in jail after pleading guilty to masterminding a £800,000 fraud involving UK housing benefit, tax credits, income support and child benefit.

Dumitru is believed by police to be the most senior UK-based figure so far brought to justice from a Roma gang from south-east Romania whose members are accused of trafficking children who then beg and steal across the south of England.

Seven other gang members from near the small town of Tandarei were also sentenced at Southwark crown court, while 26 more remain on trial in Romania on charges of trafficking children into the UK for the purpose of forced criminality, money laundering, membership of a criminal gang and, in some cases, firearms offences.

Sentencing Dumitru's wife, Ramona, 33, to 20 months' jail for fraudulent claims including £50,000 in child benefit for six children, the judge highlighted "the possibility that the children are the subject of child trafficking and are not your children".

The Dumitrus insist the youngsters are their own.

Dorina Dumitru, 38, the gang leader's sister, claimed he used "goons" to enforce his will, and told social workers "she was scared her life might be at risk" after admitting he took her to cashpoints to withdraw scammed money. She pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two years after fraudulently obtaining more than £100,000 over five years in tax credits, income support and housing benefit claimed for addresses in Liverpool, Sefton, Newcastle and Nottingham.

Telus Dumitru was held responsible by the court for leading the fraud. Police seized a bin bag from under his bed in Birmingham which held 41 false Home Office letters, more than 30 false Romanian birth certificates – mostly blank – and false references. The claimants use forged Home Office documents and job references to get national insurance numbers, which were then used to claim the state handouts.

Detectives say the conviction of Dumitru represents the biggest scalp for the British end of a joint Metropolitan police and Romanian national police anti-trafficking investigation called Operation Golf, which has cost at least £1m.

Same family

The notorious 'Con Air' gypsy family who jetted in and out of Britain on budget airlines to fraudulently claim £800,000 in benefits were today ordered to pay back less than a tenth of the swindled cash.

Dumitru was jailed along with eight others for the 'sophisticated and professional' fraud against various Government departments.
Ringleader Telus Dumitru was jailed for four years and eight months for his part in the scam. He was ordered to pay back just £70,000

The gang, who hail from the Romanian town of Tandare, used forged Home Office documents and job references to illegally obtain national insurance numbers which they used to claim state hand-outs.

The fraud amounted to £800,000 but the tax-payer has been deprived of most of the money after the Crown Prosecution Service only managed to trace a total of £136,000 from various members - or 17 per cent of the cash - in hidden assets.

Today, at the last in a series of confiscation hearings at Southwark Crown Court, gang leader Dumitru, who is still in jail, was ordered to pay back just over £70,000.

Prosecutor Christopher Hehir described him as 'very much at the centre of the fraud'.

He added: 'Although his quantifiable benefit was not a large one, that did not necessarily reflect the pivotal role he played in the fraud.'

He was also ordered to pay the DWP compensation of just over £35,000 but the court heard that would come out of the £70,000 as no other assets could be traced.

Fellow gang member Marian Gheorghe, 36, used a number of false documents to rip off Birmingham Council and the department work and pensions.

The court heard he owns a large house in Romania but due to a 'significant drop in property prices' he was only asked to pay back just £10,000 at the same hearing today. The entire sum will be paid to the DWP as compensation.

Other members of the gang have been also been ordered to repay only small sums - with the total amount paid back to the tax-payer reaching just £136, 989.25, vastly short of the £800,000 pocketed by the gang.

In February, Dumitru’s wife Ramona, who claimed she had six children aged between two and 13 years old, was ordered to pay back just £16.65p of the £81,106.33p she received.

Her sister Dorina, after a court heard she had no assets, was told to hand back only £1 despite having netted £101,333.27.

Ion Stoica was also ordered to pay just £27,125.74 or face 12 months behind bars. He was also ordered to pay £3,449.39 compensation. And Claudia Radu was ordered to pay £29,393.22 with compensation of just over £7,000.

The Trial collapsed in Romania - don't know what happened after that. Can't find evidence of another trial.

A court case in Romania against relatives of nine people sentenced this week in the UK for trafficking children to Britain to claim benefits appears to have collapsed.

Judges at the Haghita court, in Miercurea Ciuc, threw out the case and ordered prosecutors to submit it again if they want it to be considered.

The case against 26 gypsy from Tandarei, in Ialomita county in southern Romania had been launched as part of a joint investigation with UK officials.

Court spokesperson Ioana Airinei said the file has been returned to the prosecutors' office after the judge ordered them to get their act together and prepare the evidence properly.

Ioana Airinei said: "The period in which the trafficking of which the defendants are accused is not clear, nor the allegations of forming an organised criminal gang. This means the prosecutors must re-do the investigations in this case and until then the matter will not be considered."

A prosecution insider however said that the chances of finding the additional evidence needed by the court about the alleged trafficking from 2002 to 2008 was unlikely, and added they would appeal the decision to de-list the case.

The accused Buzoeanu Radian, 32, Dumitru Aron, 30, Dumitru Tase, 47, Dragusin Gheorghe Ion, 48, Radu Constantin, 58, Radu Dragusin, 37, Dragusin Marius Costel, 31, Dragusin Petrica, 60, Mitu Ion, 55, Niculae Marian, 44, Niculae Mircea, 52, Radu Marian, 31, Schian Florian, 63, Schian Sile, 40, Schian Marcel, 29, Schian Nicolae, 48, Voicu Ilie, 49, Dragusin Augustin, 26, Dragusin Dobrin, 30, Stan Colonel, 37, Niculae Florian, 34, Stoian Nelu, 27, Radu Ilie, 31, Schian Ilie, 46, Marcu Marian, 50 and Niculae Alidon, 30 deny trafficking and being members of a criminal organisation as well as money laundering and weapons offences.

[Banana Man]

Scum

[Boobs not Moobs]

Scum

Last thing I can find is that the judge again rejected the prosecution in July 2011. Romanian ministry of justice says it's still ongoing updated in Jan 2013. Though it looks like last meeting was in 2011?? http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 6bih%3D775

TRanslation of this doesn't really help.
03/01/2013
Estimated time: 8:30
Complete: C2R
Type Solution: Send to back
Solution brief: Admits appeal of the Prosecutor's Office attached to the High Court of Cassation and Justice - DIOCT-Territorial Office nr.262/31 Harghita against criminal sentence in July 2012 of the Court Harghita. Full quash the judgment and has criticized refer the case file that forms the subject of the Court nr.496/96/2012 Harghita this court for further trial.
Document: Case 1/2013 03/01/2013

I think they were found guilty in 2012 but all I can find in 2013 is appeals to reduce fines against them. Nothing about jail.

[iul]

Scum

Last thing I can find is that the judge again rejected the prosecution in July 2011. Romanian ministry of justice says it's still ongoing updated in Jan 2013. Though it looks like last meeting was in 2011?? http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 6bih%3D775

TRanslation of this doesn't really help.
03/01/2013
Estimated time: 8:30
Complete: C2R
Type Solution: Send to back
Solution brief: Admits appeal of the Prosecutor's Office attached to the High Court of Cassation and Justice - DIOCT-Territorial Office nr.262/31 Harghita against criminal sentence in July 2012 of the Court Harghita. Full quash the judgment and has criticized refer the case file that forms the subject of the Court nr.496/96/2012 Harghita this court for further trial.
Document: Case 1/2013 03/01/2013

I think they were found guilty in 2012 but all I can find in 2013 is appeals to reduce fines against them. Nothing about jail.

It says the case was registered on 10.06(June).2011 and was last ammended on 24.01.2013. The trial is in "recourse", meaning a final decision has not been handed (I think).

[blindsider]

Albanian gangs? Liam Neeson's yer only man for that lot!

As for the Roma, I do hope they won't stop making pasta - I don't always have time to make my own

www.roma.ie

[LandOTurk]

Shouldn't be let into the country, their lifestyle is incompatible with ours and shouldn't be tolerated.

Don't they all come from Ireland in the first place?

[Boobs not Moobs]

Scum

Last thing I can find is that the judge again rejected the prosecution in July 2011. Romanian ministry of justice says it's still ongoing updated in Jan 2013. Though it looks like last meeting was in 2011?? http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 6bih%3D775

TRanslation of this doesn't really help.
03/01/2013
Estimated time: 8:30
Complete: C2R
Type Solution: Send to back
Solution brief: Admits appeal of the Prosecutor's Office attached to the High Court of Cassation and Justice - DIOCT-Territorial Office nr.262/31 Harghita against criminal sentence in July 2012 of the Court Harghita. Full quash the judgment and has criticized refer the case file that forms the subject of the Court nr.496/96/2012 Harghita this court for further trial.
Document: Case 1/2013 03/01/2013

I think they were found guilty in 2012 but all I can find in 2013 is appeals to reduce fines against them. Nothing about jail.

It says the case was registered on 10.06(June).2011 and was last ammended on 24.01.2013. The trial is in "recourse", meaning a final decision has not been handed (I think).

the 2012 page their status changed to guilty/convicted, I can't find any evidence of a jail sentence though I can of a fine and one of them was appealing it.

[camroc1]

Boobs, afaik the romanians have similar opinions about the Roma as many have shown on here, and the courts would not be bending over backwards to find a soft not guilty out. They will be rigorous and find on the evidence presented.

[ID2]

Boobs, afaik the romanians have similar opinions about the Roma as many have shown on here, and the courts would not be bending over backwards to find a soft not guilty out. They will be rigorous and find on the evidence presented.

The Romanians hate the Roma far more than Western Europe does. Was talking to a Romanian lad about them before, he despised them

[ID2]

Shouldn't be let into the country, their lifestyle is incompatible with ours and shouldn't be tolerated.

Don't they all come from Ireland in the first place?

No, but the knackers should be forced to integrate or given lifelong jail sentences if they don't give up their illegal activities.

[Psychologist]

Why the fudge you let these people in is a mystery to me. The best explanation I have heard is that the Roma are descendants of Egyptian sorcerers and they can influence immigration policy by projecting into the astral plane and planting suggestions in the subconscious minds of border control staff.

[camroc1]

The UK Daily Star running with a 'Maddie found in Ireland' headline.

[Openside]

...and in more depressing news for humanity:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co ... 85676.html

Confidential details about girl (14) feared trafficked to Ireland were sent to business ‘with similar name to HSE’

The girl was found in a distressed state near the GPO

22 October 2013
THE HSE has complained to the Data Protection Commissioner about a breach of confidence in the case of the young teenager who was found in a distressed state outside the GPO recently.


Confidential information about the young teenager was accidentally sent to a business that has a similar domain name to the HSE.

The email - which was originally sent by the Psychiatric Nurses Association (PNA) and is believed to have been subsequently forwarded on by someone else - was meant for members of the trade union within the HSE.

The email sought their help in identifying the girl and contained private information about her, as well as a photograph taken in a Dublin hospital.

A HSE spokesperson said: "As confirmed by the Data Protection Commissioner the responsibility of data protection is on the controller and sender of the information, in this case the sender of the information was not the HSE."

"Should any action be required on the part of the HSE by the DPC the HSE will co-operate fully."

Another HSE spokesperson said: "We would always notify the Data Protection Commissioner in relation to a breach."

The PNA is now investigating the accidental email slip-up.

Seamus Murphy, Deputy General Secretary of the PNA told independent.ie: "We're absolutely satisfied from our head office here that it went out to the right people. We checked our own list and we're a 1000 per cent satisfied."

"We can guarantee that noone was sent it that shouldn't have been sent it."

The PNA is currently questioning its members as to whether they forwarded it on to non-PNA members.

Meanwhile, gardai are considering seeking a court order so they can publish a photograph of the teenager - who is a suspected sex trafficking victim - in a bid to identify her.

The girl, believed to be aged around 14 and from Eastern Europe, was found abandoned outside the GPO on O'Connell Street 11 days ago.

Gardai say the girl is deeply traumatised and fear she is the victim of sex traffickers and that she suffered sexual abuse over a prolonged period.

Denise Charlton, CEO of Immigration Council revealed on RTE's Morning Ireland this morning that the sex trafficking industry, led by "mafia type gangs", in Europe is worth €25 billion.

"We know there are 1,000 women and girls for sale," she said, adding that many of these enter the trade while underage.

She said prostitution and sex trafficking are prevalent online and "you can order a young girl to anywhere at the minute".

She added that the Immigration Council did not know for sure yet if the lost teenager had been trafficked, but she urged Irish men to think twice before buying sex.

Geraldine Gittens

Irish Independent

Bastards. Utter f**king bastards. Albanian gangs heavily involved in this shit - I'd pull the bloody lever myself etc...

Agreed but is obviously Irish blokes shagging her

[tb032004]

Got it, never mind.

[Gavin Duffy]

What is a "Roma" family?

A Gypsy family.

[tb032004]

What is a "Roma" family?

A Gypsy family.

Thanks, do they every do battle with "Tinkers". Gypsy showdown!!!!

[ID2]

Some pavee point one was saying its not fair, something along the lines of 'sure we all have siblings who don't look like us'

[Uncle Fester]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

[Malahide Mullet]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

Sounds like the wife has some explaining to do.

[earl the beaver]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

Said on the news that the family are adamant.

But then they also said that the birth certificate doesn't match any records the hospital she was supposed to born in has.

DNA test needed most likely.

[Openside]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

Said on the news that the family are adamant.

But then they also said that the birth certificate doesn't match any records the hospital she was supposed to born in has.

DNA test needed most likely.

In which case the family will want to expedite a DNA test to get this cleared up and and the girl back home then!!

[Gavin Duffy]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

Said on the news that the family are adamant.

But then they also said that the birth certificate doesn't match any records the hospital she was supposed to born in has.

DNA test needed most likely.

Been done, waiting on the results.

[waguser]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

Yep

Guards and or Hospital f**ked up big time it would seem.

It was claimed they checked Hospital and no birth registered in woman's name
independent check this morning suggests that she did indeed have a birth registered.
Still obviously where there is any doubt taking into emergency care is the best thing.

[HighKingLeinster]

Am I hearing reports that the kid might actually be theirs after all?

Said on the news that the family are adamant.

But then they also said that the birth certificate doesn't match any records the hospital she was supposed to born in has.

DNA test needed most likely.

Apparently they now have a birth cert that could correspond to her birth. This could end up being very embarrassing/costly for the HSE and the Gardaí : http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/th ... 87995.html

Excerpt from the story:

During a two-hour visit to the house, officers interviewed the two adults about the girl and sought proof that she was their daughter.

They had concerns about the child's identity, and as a result of the interview and their attempts to check out the information given by the adults, they decided after two hours to use emergency powers contained in section 12 of the Child Care Act to take the girl from the family and hand her into the care of the HSE overnight.

The family produced a passport for the girl, but the photo used was of a small child and could not be immediately matched with the girl.

Gardai were also told by the family, who have other children, that the girl was born at the Coombe Hospital in 2006, but preliminary checks could not confirm that.

However, an independent examination by the Irish Independent of the Coombe records yesterday showed that the woman had given birth to a daughter on the day she mentioned in 2006.

At the time of the birth, the parents of the infant did not live in Tallaght, but had another address in Dublin. They have been residing in Tallaght for several years.

The child's first name on the birth record differed from the name used by the girl, but it was accepted that this was not unusual.

[pjm1]

We had some "travellers" (aka gyppo skanks) turn up fairly near us earlier in the year. Probably about a dozen cars and mostly brand new caravans. Two of the cars were f**king brand new RR Evoques.

Obviously some good money to be made out of abduction...

[Psychologist]

Still obviously where there is any doubt taking into emergency care is the best thing.

How much doubt is necessary, in your opinion, for the Police to take children away from their parents without their consent?

[waguser]

You'd be pretty f**ked off if someone came in and took your child into care based upon the fact that she was blonde and neither of you were. Despite having a passport.

[Malahide Mullet]

You'd be pretty f**ked off if someone came in and took your child into care based upon the fact that she was blonde and neither of you were. Despite having a passport.

This is what happens when you let fascists like Fine Gael and their Labour puppets run a country.


Going around stealing children.

[Sandstorm]

We had some "travellers" (aka gyppo skanks) turn up fairly near us earlier in the year. Probably about a dozen cars and mostly brand new caravans. Two of the cars were f**king brand new RR Evoques.

Obviously some good money to be made out of abduction...

Those cars were likely stolen, not bought.