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DOB wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:39 pm Rightly relegated to the back of the group for checking Hirschi and Pogacar anyway.

Fantastic descent by Mohoric to catch them in the final stretch and just fly by. Alaf did well to react and jump onto his wheel, but then made his move too early.
Got to be sorry for Hirschi who was the most likely winner here.

What have you done Alaphilippe?
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BlackMac wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:29 pm
johnstrac wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:32 pm I think they were dislodged on the rough road surface, looked to be plenty skittering about.
It funny how, spending all my time cycling around the cobbled streets and shit roads around Edinburgh I have never once had a bottle fly out of a cage. There are plenty good cages out there to prevent it but not doubt they are a couple of grams too heavy for the pros.
I've lost a couple of bottles on one particular bumpy descent near here. Thankfully they've repaved it.

I daresay you're not travelling around Embra quite so quick as these lads, but also you're presumably returning your bottle to its cage more securely. We've all had to quickly stick a bottle back in due to whatever circumstances so it's not 100% secure. Multiply that by 180 riders crowded into a narrow city street and you have multiple possible reasons this could happen.
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TheFrog wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:30 pm
DOB wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:39 pm Rightly relegated to the back of the group for checking Hirschi and Pogacar anyway.

Fantastic descent by Mohoric to catch them in the final stretch and just fly by. Alaf did well to react and jump onto his wheel, but then made his move too early.
Got to be sorry for Hirschi who was the most likely winner here.

What have you done Alaphilippe?
He's being sent to Brabantse Pijl tomorrow as punishment.
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DOB wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:35 pm
BlackMac wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:29 pm
johnstrac wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:32 pm I think they were dislodged on the rough road surface, looked to be plenty skittering about.
It funny how, spending all my time cycling around the cobbled streets and shit roads around Edinburgh I have never once had a bottle fly out of a cage. There are plenty good cages out there to prevent it but not doubt they are a couple of grams too heavy for the pros.
I've lost a couple of bottles on one particular bumpy descent near here. Thankfully they've repaved it.

I daresay you're not travelling around Embra quite so quick as these lads, but also you're presumably returning your bottle to its cage more securely. We've all had to quickly stick a bottle back in due to whatever circumstances so it's not 100% secure. Multiply that by 180 riders crowded into a narrow city street and you have multiple possible reasons this could happen.
I reckon that the mass I would apply to the equation would trump any acceleration those racing snakes could bring to the party.🤔😕
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Your mass adds stability to the assembly. Any little bump sends those minis skittering about like a pea in a whistle.
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Mitchelton-Scott and Jumbo-Visma out of the Giro with the Rona. Had to catch up with everyone sooner or later.
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Teo Geoghan-Hart wins today’s stage in the Giro and up to 4th in the overall standings. Chapeau!
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Great ride by Tao. Also a fantastic ride by Joao Almeida to hang onto pink.

Big shakeup in the GC, Fuglsang is definitely no chance now, and Nibali really took a hit. It’s clear that Sunweb are the strongest team in the race, and Kelderman is in perfect position going into the rest day.
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So Van Aert was tailgating the moto in the Tour of Flanders; as it slowed he & Van der Poel swerved to go past it but Alaphilippe (3rd man in line) didn't see it in time. He took a hell of a fall.
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lilyw wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:40 pm So Van Aert was tailgating the moto in the Tour of Flanders; as it slowed he & Van der Poel swerved to go past it but Alaphilippe (3rd man in line) didn't see it in time. He took a hell of a fall.

Thought the commentators were a bit harsh on the motorcyclist. Entirely Alaphilippe's fault. Bad fall none the less.
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BlackMac wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:24 am
lilyw wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:40 pm So Van Aert was tailgating the moto in the Tour of Flanders; as it slowed he & Van der Poel swerved to go past it but Alaphilippe (3rd man in line) didn't see it in time. He took a hell of a fall.

Thought the commentators were a bit harsh on the motorcyclist. Entirely Alaphilippe's fault. Bad fall none the less.
Not entirely Alaf’s fault. He happened to look down at the moment that the other 2 swerved to avoid a moto that had just stopped. It was a combination of errors, he just made the last one.

But yeah, harsh on the Moto. He had a right to be there, and it’s not his fault that the racers try to follow the motos to get every last bit of draft.
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That was just a ridiculous Stage 1 of the Vuelta. Over a minute's gap to the guy in 10th already. It's going to be a very long 18 days for some of the riders.
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Dan Martin riding high at the Vuelta. Tao Geoghegan-Hart in striking distance of the Maglia Rosa in the Giro. Some cracking racing going on right now.
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DOB wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 pm Dan Martin riding high at the Vuelta. Tao Geoghegan-Hart in striking distance of the Maglia Rosa in the Giro. Some cracking racing going on right now.
That was one of the great grand tour stages yesterday. All three contendors at the head of the stage.
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Sam Bennett makes it 2 in a row for Ireland at the Vuelta. I don't think we've ever had that before at the same GT.

The riders at the Giro protested about having to ride 258kms, in the rain, between the 2 hardest mountain stages of the race, so the stage got shortened and they only rode the last 160ish. But still arrived at the finish an hour later than scheduled. Probably should've just rode the stage and bitched about it later.
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DOB wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm Sam Bennett makes it 2 in a row for Ireland at the Vuelta. I don't think we've ever had that before at the same GT.

The riders at the Giro protested about having to ride 258kms, in the rain, between the 2 hardest mountain stages of the race, so the stage got shortened and they only rode the last 160ish. But still arrived at the finish an hour later than scheduled. Probably should've just rode the stage and bitched about it later.
Are there enough flat races for Sam to win the green jersey?
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Almost certainly not. I think about half the stages are summit finishes of one kind or another.

The Vuelta's points jersey is a different kind of classification; it's purely based on stage finishes, and doesn't weight flat stages like the Tour jersey does. And since a GC rider has to finish high up on every summit finish, and the Vuelta has a lot of summit finishes, GC riders tend to do very well in the Vuelta points comp. Valverde has won it 4 times. When you go through the winners list, it's got a load of climbers in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_cl ... on_by_year

The next sprint stage this year is stage 9 out of the 18, and Roglic might have 2 more stage wins by then.
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DOB wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:01 pm Almost certainly not. I think about half the stages are summit finishes of one kind or another.

The Vuelta's points jersey is a different kind of classification; it's purely based on stage finishes, and doesn't weight flat stages like the Tour jersey does. And since a GC rider has to finish high up on every summit finish, and the Vuelta has a lot of summit finishes, GC riders tend to do very well in the Vuelta points comp. Valverde has won it 4 times. When you go through the winners list, it's got a load of climbers in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_cl ... on_by_year

The next sprint stage this year is stage 9 out of the 18, and Roglic might have 2 more stage wins by then.
The 3 dropped stages would have suited the sprinters.
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Geoghegan Hart is going to win the Giro .

He's won the last road stage today
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Cracking stage that. Dennis the MVP!
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Dennis getting back on the front - twice - after Hindley attacked was funny.
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dinsdale wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:42 pm Dennis getting back on the front - twice - after Hindley attacked was funny.
Especially when he gave him a big cheeseating grin the second time. Another great stage, Dennis has been superb for Ineos but you can't take anything away from Tao, looks like a surprise Grand Tour win.
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BlackMac wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:03 pm
dinsdale wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:42 pm Dennis getting back on the front - twice - after Hindley attacked was funny.
Especially when he gave him a big cheeseating grin the second time. Another great stage, Dennis has been superb for Ineos but you can't take anything away from Tao, looks like a surprise Grand Tour win.
After all the overblown bullshit about Froome/Thomas/Bernal its so amusing that a squad without many of Skineos' A-listers has achieved so much.

This years compressed schedule has led to two of the most interesting GTs in recent years, hope the Vuelta is as good as the Giro has been
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iarmhiman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:02 pm Geoghegan Hart is going to win the Giro .

He's won the last road stage today
How do they compare in the time trial?
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Unfortunately the Vuelta looks like a Jumbo procession so far. They just look so strong.

Unless off course Carapaz pulls a Pogacar..
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terryfinch wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:02 pm Geoghegan Hart is going to win the Giro .

He's won the last road stage today
How do they compare in the time trial?
It's not clear cut but Tao, while erratic, has a better TT record.
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Tao wins the Giro!!!!! Unbelievable.
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terryfinch wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:51 pm Tao wins the Giro!!!!! Unbelievable.
That was a hell of a TT from him. Much bigger margin than I expected.
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Beaver_Shark wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm Unfortunately the Vuelta looks like a Jumbo procession so far. They just look so strong.

Unless off course Carapaz pulls a Pogacar..
Well what do I know? Jumbo and Roglic were blown apart today in horrendous conditions. Carapaz in red, Dan Martin 2nd at 18sec, Hugh Carthy 3rd at 20sec and Roglic at 30s going into the rest day tomorrow.

This could be a cracking Vuelta.
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It’s Carthy 2nd and Martin 3rd, but yeah, cat properly amongst the pigeons today.

Having seen Ineos actually have to get a little creative to win the Giro, rather than just out-Watt everybody else, it’ll be interesting to see what JV do now with their backs against the wall.
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DOB wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:57 pm It’s Carthy 2nd and Martin 3rd, but yeah, cat properly amongst the pigeons today.

Having seen Ineos actually have to get a little creative to win the Giro, rather than just out-Watt everybody else, it’ll be interesting to see what JV do now with their backs against the wall.
30sec is not a lot of time though, and apparently Roglic had issues with his jacket on the descent and had to make a huge effort to get back to the group of favourites. Still I was surprised to see Kuss being dropped so quickly yesterday.

But yes, it will be quite fascinating to see what Jumbo does from here. They'll probably send Dumoulin into a break in the next few days.
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I thought the Giro was superb. The final ascent up to Sestriere with Handley and Tao was a race for the ages.

Rohan Dennis was my pick as the rider who made the biggest difference. What an engine! Apparently this was Sky/Ineos' most successful Grand Tour ever in terms of prizes (stage wins, yellow jersey, white jersey and team trophy) - without their main man!

Also very interesting to hear David Brailsford saying that he is tired of the defensive train strategy (Sky, JV and Ineos) and would rather focus on being clever like the Froome Giro attack in 2018 and Tao's win here. He said it is much more fun and what cycling should be about! He also said he thinks the teamwork here at the Giro, after Thomas had to retire, was a revelation. He almost implied that he sees finding ways to recreate that feel as being Ineos' next big idea.
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So pleased for Tao. I have followed the lad since he was a promising junior. Tao winning the Giro has confirmed my decrepitude...
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