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What a brilliant TT route tomorrow.

Tactics will be very interesting tomorrow. Roglic, Pogacar and Lopez have to go all out.

Carapaz can take it easy until the the 30km mark and go flat out for the King of Mountains competition.
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Yet at the same time Carapaz could secure a top 10 finish... difficult choice.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:49 pm Yet at the same time Carapaz could secure a top 10 finish... difficult choice.
He gets podium with King of Mountains competition no?
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DOB wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:30 pm
TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:15 pm Cracking stage again with an impressive Kragh Andersen! :shock:

I really think this has been a cracking TDF with stages for every type of riders. A shame the first stage caused so much damages among favorites, the battle could have been even more exciting.
The GC battle has been a bit of a procession. It's just a huge shame that crashes on stage 1, and the Dauphine to a lesser extent, effectively ruined challenges for several riders.

I also can't help thinking "what if" Dumoulin had stayed with Sunweb. Jumbo would be significantly weaker, and he would have all the strength of this Sunweb team at his disposal. I know he wasn't at full strength, but he still could have made them work harder than they have for it.
it has been less of a procession than in the previous years with the Sky and Ineos train. Roglic often found himself battling alone to keep his yellow jersey. He was attacked several times. Sure, his team dominated and they did control a few stages to bring him all the way to the last few hundred meters. But not on the tougher climbs.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:49 pm Yet at the same time Carapaz could secure a top 10 finish... difficult choice.
5 minutes behind 10th (Valverde). No way he makes up that time.

Pogacar will have one of the fastest splits up the mountain. Carapaz has to make 100% sure his split is faster. Other riders will be trying to calculate if they should go TT bike or road bike or change bikes; it’s simpler for Carapaz, ride the lightest setup he can, tempo to just before the time check, and go flat out from there to the finish.
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Will Sam copy Ewen and switch to a road bike on final climb?
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I was wondering if anyone knows, why are the Time Trials so much shorter than an usually stage? I get it that there is no protection and rest afforded to riders in a peloton. Is there any other reason why the TTS couldn’t be twice as long?
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gurudoright wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:03 pm I was wondering if anyone knows, why are the Time Trials so much shorter than an usually stage? I get it that there is no protection and rest afforded to riders in a peloton. Is there any other reason why the TTS couldn’t be twice as long?
There's a LOT to unpack there.

A group can ride a lot farther together than a solo rider.
Simple logistics; the last starter today takes off 4 and a quarter hours after the first rider off. So ultimately today's stage lasts even longer start to finish than most of the stages this year.
Time gaps; back when TTs were the be-all and end-all of TdF winners (Anquetil through to Armstrong) the winners would routinely put 6 or 7 minutes into some of their competitors over the course of a 60-70 minute TT.
And that leads to the big reason; with long TTs, it eliminates a lot of contenders. The Tour of old always benefitted the best Time Trialists. The modern Tour has leaned towards rewarding the best in the mountains, which is the box-office part of cycling.
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Yes, I think the ITTs of old (I was listening on TV, they said in the 80s, one was almost 90km long!!!) would result in a rider taking the lead and his team locking the race which made the race boring. So the organizers thought shortening ITTs would make mountain stages more exciting. Truth is that this actually not what is happening.

Another explanation for the TdF is the fact none of the best French GC contenders (Pinot, Martin, Bardet) are not ITT specialists and they would lose a lot time.

And... finally, this TdF was designed with Pinot and Alaphilippe in mind. This ITT goes through Pinot's home village and its profile would suit an in-form Alaphilippe.

Unfortunately for French hopes, Pinot hasn't recovered from his fall in the first state and Alaphilippe doesn't have his 2019 legs.
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Nice Pavel Sivakov's interview on France 2: very emotional about his struggle in this tour, he seemed quite affected not to be able to ride with the best. He said this was a good lesson in humility to climb with weaker climbers.

Asked whether he would chose France or Russia as his national team (Sivakov is of Russian parents but grew up in France close to Toulouse and is a French citizen), he responded that he will soon make his decision. And being a bit emotional he confessed that he realized how much support he gets from the French crowd and he said that he felt that the Pyrenees were really home. :)
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Superman on the road. I think he is the only one who can beat Pogacar and Roglic.
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First time I've seen Sarries with ball in our half and they shred us.
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Rugby? Is this actually a rugby forum? :shock:
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Apparently, the wind has changed and is slowing down the riders now, which explains Van Aert disappointing performance so far. Cavagna has the opportunity to win the stage against the odds.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:57 pm Rugby? Is this actually a rugby forum? :shock:
Having 2 sports on different screens is v confusing at times...
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Roglic is a puncture away from losing this.
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That push at the bike change for Roglic was way beyond 5 seconds.
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OMG!
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Pagacar not moving too smoothly either now. What a final day.
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Hope Dumoulin has done enough - brave not to go for the bike change.
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Pogacar is gonna do this.
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Great reward for Porte at this stage of his career. :thumbup:
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This is bonkers! Wow
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Roglic catching Lopez.

And now drafting Lopez, and now passing him.
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Pogacar a minute up on Dumoulin even!

So Roglic is putting in a very good TT performance, but Pog is just destroying him.
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Dumoulin watching the big screen with a "Who the fcuk farted" look on his face.
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What a ride by Pogacar!
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DOB wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:09 pm Dumoulin watching the big screen with a "Who the fcuk farted" look on his face.
It was absolutely classic. :lol:
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Call me a cynic, but watching cycling for 20-odd years, I don't feel comfortable with Pogacar today.

Not accusing at all, and want to be full of admiration. I'm just struggling.
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Wow, mindblown! Carnage all over the mountain.

Big middle finger stuck up at those who dislike Time Trials
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Wiggins suggesting that Pagacar could go on to be greater than Mercx FFS.
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blindcider wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm Wow, mindblown! Carnage all over the mountain.

Big middle finger stuck up at those who dislike Time Trials
I love time trials. Just would like to see it earlier in the Tour.
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That was just outstanding!!!

Delighted for Porte who went through so much bad luck and deserved such a finish.
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Absolutely incredible for Pogacar! Was not expecting that. And to think of the relative riches of JV and UAE. Chap did it a lot himself.

Great to see the youth winning the last 2 TdFs.

Hope to see Bennett win tomorrow too.
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That was just incredible! What a race! Yellow, white and polka dot jerseys won.
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What an insane TT by Pogacar! Roglic must be as sick as a dog
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need Sam to get that intermediate sprint tomorrow, then he can go full for the sprint finish with no pressure.

I'd say Ewen is favourite for the stage win though
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Thank you DOB and TheFrog for your explanation yesterday, both the explanations makes sense. Cheers
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Salanya wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:10 pm Call me a cynic, but watching cycling for 20-odd years, I don't feel comfortable with Pogacar today.

Not accusing at all, and want to be full of admiration. I'm just struggling.
You might find it enlightening to read up on the background of the CEO of his team.
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Salanya wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:10 pm Call me a cynic, but watching cycling for 20-odd years, I don't feel comfortable with Pogacar today.

Not accusing at all, and want to be full of admiration. I'm just struggling.
BlackMac wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:11 pm Wiggins suggesting that Pagacar could go on to be greater than Mercx FFS.
I'm trying to find a middle ground between these 2 ideas. Pog may have a long, excellent career without never coming close to any particular past results of any particular legendary champions of yesteryear.

But the questions about "where did this kid come from" do sound a bit more serious when you take a close look at the history of the team and management behind him. People who know more about numbers than I have looked at the data that his team produced for his attack on the Peyresourde (the only time other than the TT that he really put time into anyone) and said it was high, but not unlegit. Hopefully the testing and biological passport etc etc are enough that whatever cheating that does go on in the peloton (and there's no doubt that there's some), that it isn't so out there that a rider with a conscience can't compete.

Also, I can't help thinking that in a Tour where every other top GC competitor either arrived hurt, got hurt, or didn't show up at the start, maybe the standard just wasn't quite that high. And when you see RIchie "I've blown me GC again, mate" Porte in 3rd, I can't help thinking there was a lack of competition; in the top 10, the only past GT winner other than Roglic, was his teammate Dumoulin. The only 3 other GT winners in the finishing field are in the 11-20 spots, all with valid reasons why they didn't finish higher.
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