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dinsdale wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:00 am
Salanya wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:10 pm Call me a cynic, but watching cycling for 20-odd years, I don't feel comfortable with Pogacar today.

Not accusing at all, and want to be full of admiration. I'm just struggling.
You might find it enlightening to read up on the background of the CEO of his team.
Jesus, didn't realise that. Not exactly the sort of guy you would expect a new team to chose if they were wanting to show the world their anti doping credentials.
I see a number of the forums are already awash with suspicion. Generally the feeling is that the TT win was just too impressive, especially when you look at the competition and the fact that Pog was struggling to stay anywhere near Roglic on stage 17.
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What is the PED of choice these days and what effects does it have?

Also what kind of “legal” supplements does your average rider take?
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Jim Lahey wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:49 am What is the PED of choice these days and what effects does it have?

Also what kind of “legal” supplements does your average rider take?
Synthetic haemoglobin.

But even that's 3 and 4 years ago. The authorities are always playing catchup on these things.
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BlackMac wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:41 am
dinsdale wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:00 am
Salanya wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:10 pm Call me a cynic, but watching cycling for 20-odd years, I don't feel comfortable with Pogacar today.

Not accusing at all, and want to be full of admiration. I'm just struggling.
You might find it enlightening to read up on the background of the CEO of his team.
Jesus, didn't realise that. Not exactly the sort of guy you would expect a new team to chose if they were wanting to show the world their anti doping credentials.
I see a number of the forums are already awash with suspicion. Generally the feeling is that the TT win was just too impressive, especially when you look at the competition and the fact that Pog was struggling to stay anywhere near Roglic on stage 17.
Many in the cycling world will have a link to doping/cheating in some way. It's a small world too, hence these people staying in roles, despite the changes. So trying not to judge the cyclist on the CEO (what can I say, I'm an optimist...)

But yeah, that TT was crazy. Not so much putting the time on Roglic, but putting more than a minute on Dumoulin and Van Aert, who would have been riding for the TT victory themselves. It's just too impressive.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:49 am What is the PED of choice these days and what effects does it have?

Also what kind of “legal” supplements does your average rider take?
I'm sticking with pork pies.
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Sadly, after the rise of British cycling raising eyebrows, it is the rise of Slovenian cycling that gets the negative attention. 4 slovenian cyclists at the race, 1 and 2 in the ranking, 4 stage victories...

They almost make us forget Van Aert who climbs with the best, beats Alaphilippe on hilly ground, outsprints the bunch and makes the podium of an ITT.

Or how Quickstep riders have that ability to shine when riding for that team and fade when they leave the squad.
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It's a lovely sport for the cynics but then again it hasn't helped itself.
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Bennett wins :o
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What an achievement for Sam! Delighted.
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Amazing achievement for Bennett, the only "old" head on the podium given that all 3 other jerseys were Pogacar's! :lol:
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For non-Irishers, good piece from the IT on Bennett.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other- ... -1.4358469
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Kelly and Roche didn't leave many "firsts" for the Irish coming up behind them in cycling, so a Champs Elysees win is a great one to tick off.

TdF Green jersey and 2 stage wins is real "seat-at-the-top-table" stuff.
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Feel sorry for Bennett, not even the first guy from his village to win the green jersey, good effort though.
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Arkea being investigated for doping....

Plus ça change.
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jezzer wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:43 pm Arkea being investigated for doping....

Plus ça change.
Specifically, the Quintana brothers, plus Winner Anacona. So the 3 Colombians on the team, and none of the French lads.


Because French lads don't dope.
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DOB wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:33 pm
jezzer wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:43 pm Arkea being investigated for doping....

Plus ça change.
Specifically, the Quintana brothers, plus Winner Anacona. So the 3 Colombians on the team, and none of the French lads.


Because French lads don't dope.
And if they do, the French chemists suck big time!
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Just for the records though, it is a French judge that went after Festina and Virenque. A lot of the anti-doping legal action has happened in France. Not so much elsewhere.
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I'm guessing Sam won't be doing the Giro after all that.

Could he ride in La Vuelta?
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07 pm I'm guessing Sam won't be doing the Giro after all that.

Could he ride in La Vuelta?
He'd be mad to try either. Ewan is supposedly down to ride the Giro, but the routes for both are brutal.

I can maybe see Bennett doing the Vuelta, because there's enough time to get a bit of rest ahead of it, and it's shorter by 3 stages, and there might be as many as 4 or 5 stages with a chance of a sprint. None before stage 5, though.
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DOB wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:54 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07 pm I'm guessing Sam won't be doing the Giro after all that.

Could he ride in La Vuelta?
He'd be mad to try either. Ewan is supposedly down to ride the Giro, but the routes for both are brutal.

I can maybe see Bennett doing the Vuelta, because there's enough time to get a bit of rest ahead of it, and it's shorter by 3 stages, and there might be as many as 4 or 5 stages with a chance of a sprint. None before stage 5, though.
See Sagan is doing the Giro?
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:57 pm
DOB wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:54 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07 pm I'm guessing Sam won't be doing the Giro after all that.

Could he ride in La Vuelta?
He'd be mad to try either. Ewan is supposedly down to ride the Giro, but the routes for both are brutal.

I can maybe see Bennett doing the Vuelta, because there's enough time to get a bit of rest ahead of it, and it's shorter by 3 stages, and there might be as many as 4 or 5 stages with a chance of a sprint. None before stage 5, though.
See Sagan is doing the Giro?
Yeah, long since planned for him. He's never done it, at least partly because he's always done the Tour of California that time of year. If he's climbing better than he was at the Tour, then he can have a go on a few of the transition stages; the Sagan of a few years ago would've come away with 4 or 4 stages, the sprint jersey, and maybe even a day in the Maglia Rosa.
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Brilliant ride Alaphilippe!

World champion.
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Beaver_Shark wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:37 pm Brilliant ride Alaphilippe!

World champion.
Delighted for him, I love his style of racing. Next one in the same vein could well be Hirschi.

He came so close so many times, must be a great feeling. On the penultimate loop, when Pogacar starter to pull away I wondered if he was going to TT all the way to the line. But, in the end the teams didn't panick and kept him within reach and the strongest riders pulled away. In the end, Alaphilippe benefited from the fact that nobody wanted to lead Van Aert to a sprint finish, which proved Alaphilippe's tactic right to attack from far. I would have thought Hirschi and Fuglsang would have flowed him but he managed to drop everybody with his attack.

This prove that he rode the TDF to prepare the Worlds, hence the fact that we did not see him chase more wins. And with Bennett in the spotlights, he had less pressure to deliver results for his team.
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Didn't realize Dries Devenyns turned down Belgian selection because he did not want to end up in a position where he would have to ride to close a gap on Alaphilippe. :shock: :thumbup:

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Cycling tactics are so simple.

"Where's Alaphilippe going to attack?"
"Probably just before the top of the final climb."
"Better make sure we follow him then.'
"Yup."
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DOB wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm Cycling tactics are so simple.

"Where's Alaphilippe going to attack?"
"Probably just before the top of the final climb."
"Better make sure we follow him then.'
"Yup."
:lol: :lol: It was so predictable it was untrue. I also hate the fact that cyclists seem more content to settle for a podium place than risk it all chasing for the win. They could have easily worked together to reel him in but no, "can't risk losing a sprint for second". Third in this case a Van Aert was always getting second. :?
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BlackMac wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:55 pm
DOB wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm Cycling tactics are so simple.

"Where's Alaphilippe going to attack?"
"Probably just before the top of the final climb."
"Better make sure we follow him then.'
"Yup."
:lol: :lol: It was so predictable it was untrue. I also hate the fact that cyclists seem more content to settle for a podium place than risk it all chasing for the win. They could have easily worked together to reel him in but no, "can't risk losing a sprint for second". Third in this case a Van Aert was always getting second. :?
I agree, but in fairness, it really was all on vanAert to chase there; the world TT silver medallist from Friday, and winner of 2 bunch sprints in the Tour de France that just finished last week, and whose team have been controlling the race from the start, really shouldn't be looking around for help from a handful of classics specialists and a GT rider.

All he needed to do was get within 5 seconds or so of Alaf. Then one of the others would have jumped across. Then Alaf and that other guy would have started to cat and mouse. Then he's back in play for a late charge. Every time he sat up, Alaphilippe added seconds to his lead.
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DOB wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:48 pm
BlackMac wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:55 pm
DOB wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm Cycling tactics are so simple.

"Where's Alaphilippe going to attack?"
"Probably just before the top of the final climb."
"Better make sure we follow him then.'
"Yup."
:lol: :lol: It was so predictable it was untrue. I also hate the fact that cyclists seem more content to settle for a podium place than risk it all chasing for the win. They could have easily worked together to reel him in but no, "can't risk losing a sprint for second". Third in this case a Van Aert was always getting second. :?
I agree, but in fairness, it really was all on vanAert to chase there; the world TT silver medallist from Friday, and winner of 2 bunch sprints in the Tour de France that just finished last week, and whose team have been controlling the race from the start, really shouldn't be looking around for help from a handful of classics specialists and a GT rider.

All he needed to do was get within 5 seconds or so of Alaf. Then one of the others would have jumped across. Then Alaf and that other guy would have started to cat and mouse. Then he's back in play for a late charge. Every time he sat up, Alaphilippe added seconds to his lead.
Van Aert, like Sagan before him and even Alaphilippe recently, is learning the difficulty to become a marked man and the responsibilities this brings on your shoulders. He now knows that riders won't work for him in a break or a chase group. This will make life tougher for him.
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Alaphilippe what have you done? :lol: :lol:

Celebrates too early and Roglic wins LBL.
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Beaver_Shark wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:00 pm Alaphilippe what have you done? :lol: :lol:

Celebrates too early and Roglic wins LBL.
Alaphilippe relegated to 5th for basically pushing Hirschi sideways & making Pojacar almost stop in the final run-in.

Chapeau to Roglic - to put the disappointment of 2 weeks ago behind him & keep trying right to the finish line today shows quite some mental strength.
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Rightly relegated to the back of the group for checking Hirschi and Pogacar anyway.

Fantastic descent by Mohoric to catch them in the final stretch and just fly by. Alaf did well to react and jump onto his wheel, but then made his move too early.
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lilyw wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:38 pm
Beaver_Shark wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:00 pm Alaphilippe what have you done? :lol: :lol:

Celebrates too early and Roglic wins LBL.
Alaphilippe relegated to 5th for basically pushing Hirschi sideways & making Pojacar almost stop in the final run-in.

Chapeau to Roglic - to put the disappointment of 2 weeks ago behind him & keep trying right to the finish line today shows quite some mental strength.
I'm not surprised by the relegation. I called it as soon as I saw Hirschi unclipping.

Shame for Hirschi because I believe he would have taken that sprint. He'd kept his powder dry up until that point, and Alaphilippe had just made a big effort to mark Mohoric and would have probability lost a fair sprint.

I also thought Mohoric could have shown more patience there. He was never ever going to immediately outsprint them after having made that effort to get back. He should have waited until the last possible moment.
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I've never seen him sprint, but I think after making the effort to get across, Mohoric was unlikely to out-kick any of the guys in that little group, so his best hope was to carry his momentum through and catch them looking at each other.

Alaf did the right thing jumping right on his wheel, but then made his own move about 50m too early.

To be honest, for the move he made, Alaphilippe is lucky to only get bumped to 5th. If it was in a stage race, I don't think it'd be enough to kick him off, but at the same time an example needs to be made of these high profile line checks.
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That was some blow-out in the Giro today. It's only stage 3 & already 2 of the pre-race favourites are gone (Thomas & Yates).

Thomas looked injured but it's hard to see what happened Yates - he just went out the back at the bottom of Etna.
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By all accounts Thomas hit a bidon lying on the road. Apparently there were lots of them lying about. Who the hell is throwing away bidons in the neutralised zone.
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BlackMac wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:15 pm By all accounts Thomas hit a bidon lying on the road. Apparently there were lots of them lying about. Who the hell is throwing away bidons in the neutralised zone.
May have bounced out of bottle cages on the bumpy roads. There's no reason to toss a bottle out on a fast downhill section of the neutralized zone, as you say, but there were a few bottles rolling about on that road.

The crash is after 0.20 on this video, and you can see at least 2 other bottles bouncing around on the street at the time;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1313114965620994051

The amazing thing; G finished the stage, at the top of a cat1 climb, only 10 minutes down, with a fractured pelvis. One of those things that reinforces that pro cyclists are not human.
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I think they were dislodged on the rough road surface, looked to be plenty skittering about.
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DOB wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:32 pm
The amazing thing; G finished the stage, at the top of a cat1 climb, only 10 minutes down, with a fractured pelvis. One of those things that reinforces that pro cyclists are not human.
The universal constant in cycling. How much can you suffer?
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ukjim wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:35 pm
DOB wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:32 pm
The amazing thing; G finished the stage, at the top of a cat1 climb, only 10 minutes down, with a fractured pelvis. One of those things that reinforces that pro cyclists are not human.
The universal constant in cycling. How much can you suffer?
Yesterday's X-rays didn't find anything so he was ready to go again this morning, albeit not feeling great. It took a 2nd scan to find the fracture. Still haven't heard why Yates had such a bad day.
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johnstrac wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:32 pm I think they were dislodged on the rough road surface, looked to be plenty skittering about.
It funny how, spending all my time cycling around the cobbled streets and shit roads around Edinburgh I have never once had a bottle fly out of a cage. There are plenty good cages out there to prevent it but not doubt they are a couple of grams too heavy for the pros.
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