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I've been watching Mr Robot through all the seasons and I'm still undecided on whether it's truly great TV or a load of overblown pretentiousness. It's one or the other extreme...


How is it pretentious?


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I've been watching Mr Robot through all the seasons and I'm still undecided on whether it's truly great TV or a load of overblown pretentiousness. It's one or the other extreme...


How is it pretentious?

How is it not, more like? Not saying I dislike the show but it's very self indulgent and even a bit corny at times. Doesn't mean I'm not watching it right through to the end and getting the box set.


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Watched the first two episodes of "Don't f**k with cats" on Netflix. A bit slow moving but I'd definitely recommend it.
I'm awfully tempted to google it to see how it all turned out but that would take from the suspense.


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I've been watching Mr Robot through all the seasons and I'm still undecided on whether it's truly great TV or a load of overblown pretentiousness. It's one or the other extreme...


How is it pretentious?

How is it not, more like? Not saying I dislike the show but it's very self indulgent and even a bit corny at times. Doesn't mean I'm not watching it right through to the end and getting the box set.


But how? You haven't explained. I don't find it corny in the slightest. Are you watching the same show as me?

Knight Rider was corny.


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The Witcher drops tomorrow right?

Yup, and it's Netflix, so can be binged over Christmas time off. :thumbup:


Lost in Space drops on Christmas Eve so I have that to keep me busy too :thumbup:


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Finally got around to watching Succession. I'm 7 episodes into season one and am utterly hooked.
Fast becoming one of my all time favourite shows. What a horrible bunch of plum the Roy family are.
Really unusual to find a show where there are no likeable characters, to be so engrossing.


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Finally got around to watching Succession. I'm 7 episodes into season one and am utterly hooked.
Fast becoming one of my all time favourite shows. What a horrible bunch of plum the Roy family are.
Really unusual to find a show where there are no likeable characters, to be so engrossing.


Kendall is ok isn’t he? Admittedly I’ve only watched the first four eps.


Best I could say is he's the character people could be most sympathetic towards. He's still an entitled billionaire, whose confidence surpasses his abilities


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Kid A wrote:
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I've been watching Mr Robot through all the seasons and I'm still undecided on whether it's truly great TV or a load of overblown pretentiousness. It's one or the other extreme...


How is it pretentious?

How is it not, more like? Not saying I dislike the show but it's very self indulgent and even a bit corny at times. Doesn't mean I'm not watching it right through to the end and getting the box set.


But how? You haven't explained. I don't find it corny in the slightest. Are you watching the same show as me?

Knight Rider was corny.


I watched an episode or two.
Hero is pale and gaunt and always wears a hoodie, female hacker has "attitude" and lots of piercings, underground organisation is based in a closed down amusements place in Coney Island, bad guys wear suits and hang out in opulent Wall Street type premises. What's original and not cliched about it would be my question.
Having said the above, someone else I talked to and would respect his opinion, said it was worth persevering so maybe I should.


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I am watching it through the prism of Arrested Development and he’s the Michael so in that respect I think he’s ok.


Hmmm. I can see that kind of see where you're coming from, as you're not as far along in the story as I am. I doubt you'll continue to see him as such.


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November2019 wrote:
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I've been watching Mr Robot through all the seasons and I'm still undecided on whether it's truly great TV or a load of overblown pretentiousness. It's one or the other extreme...


How is it pretentious?

How is it not, more like? Not saying I dislike the show but it's very self indulgent and even a bit corny at times. Doesn't mean I'm not watching it right through to the end and getting the box set.


But how? You haven't explained. I don't find it corny in the slightest. Are you watching the same show as me?

Knight Rider was corny.


I watched an episode or two.
Hero is pale and gaunt and always wears a hoodie, female hacker has "attitude" and lots of piercings, underground organisation is based in a closed down amusements place in Coney Island, bad guys wear suits and hang out in opulent Wall Street type premises. What's original and not cliched about it would be my question.
Having said the above, someone else I talked to and would respect his opinion, said it was worth persevering so maybe I should.


Watch the whole thing.


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Kid A wrote:
Watch the whole thing.


I'm tempted but first as a filter for incompatible tastes I need to know if you like "Designated Survivor".


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Finally got around to watching Succession. I'm 7 episodes into season one and am utterly hooked.
Fast becoming one of my all time favourite shows. What a horrible bunch of plum the Roy family are.
Really unusual to find a show where there are no likeable characters, to be so engrossing.


Kendall is ok isn’t he? Admittedly I’ve only watched the first four eps.


Best I could say is he's the character people could be most sympathetic towards. He's still an entitled billionaire, whose confidence surpasses his abilities


They are all complex characters which is why it’s so good. On one hand he is a vacuous entitled rich kid - see how he treated the girlfriend who said “awesome” too many times in front of Logan - and on the other hand you can empathise with him being the son of a bullying tyrant forever destined to live in his fathers shadow - there was a great scene when he stood up for Roman when Logan slapped him.


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November2019 wrote:
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Watch the whole thing.


I'm tempted but first as a filter for incompatible tastes I need to know if you like "Designated Survivor".


Never heard of it.


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The Witcher is dropping on torrents right now.....damn will watch it tomorrow...


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Kid A wrote:
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Watch the whole thing.


I'm tempted but first as a filter for incompatible tastes I need to know if you like "Designated Survivor".


Never heard of it.


I only saw the first episode myself, it was awful, had every PC trope going squeezed into the episode and shouted at you.


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Well the Witcher is no game of thrones and I don't say that in a good way. It's like one of those budget NZ filmed fantasy series, Legend of the seeker etc.


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Couple of episodes in to the Expanse. They're already sowing the seeds for what's to come in the next season with the stuff back in home system.
They also seem to be including some of God's of Risk, a novella' of Bobbie's side story back on Mars.



So I've finished season 4. I thought it was not bad but the weakest of the four seasons so far.

I little too much on the human drama to draw in a wider audience, and the sci-fi ideas don't ramp up like they did in the previous seasons.

Only 6 episodes in myself, so haven't seen the climax/resolution.

The book is almost entirely based on Ilus/New Terra, Bobbie's not in it at all. I think they had to do a lot of building new foundations after season 3. The build up to and opening of the ring gate is a natural break. New story arcs etc have to be developed

The Mars storyline is adapted from Gods of Risk, like I said, and the arc with Michio Pa and Ashford is setting the background for the next major chapter in season 5. Fairly sure that all the political wrangling in the UN is a show fabrication too.

The majority of the action bring set down a well, rather than in ships and stations also changes the feel.

I am enjoying it, though.

Finished the last couple of episodes there. Enjoyed it all. Definitely a different feel to the first few seasons. Lots of foreshadowing and building for what's to happen in the next couple of seasons.
I liked the Mars storyline. Did a good job of telling the viewer which way to look for what's to come. When I read the books I kinda glazed over that stuff and missed some details that were minor arcs.

Also, I mentioned Michio Pa in my earlier post. Meant Drummer. Show Drummer is an amalgamation of a few characters, but she's going to take on Pa's role in season 5.


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Well the Witcher is no game of thrones and I don't say that in a good way. It's like one of those budget NZ filmed fantasy series, Legend of the seeker etc.


I've heard mixed messages about it. I mean though, it is more fantasy than political whereas GoT really pushed the political rather than fantasy elements in the first few seasons. Always thought GoT would have been a better show without the Night Zombies crap myself.


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The Witcher is dropping on torrents right now.....damn will watch it tomorrow...


Netflix not a thing in Fiji?


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The Witcher is dropping on torrents right now.....damn will watch it tomorrow...


Netflix not a thing in Fiji?


it is, but food is more important than subscribing to that...


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Witcher - monster bits are good, surprising amount of boobs on display, the bard's quite fun and it's low fantasy. I like everyone uttering exasperated "fudge's" all the time. Everything else is fine, but just killing time 'til monster killing for me.

I come to this with no background in books or games


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Witcher is farking shit and shame on all of you implied that it might be ok. Was anticipating at least a cut-price GOT, got some kind of shithouse PS2 role player game instead.

Are the novels actually good or should I make sure to avoid those as well?


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Witcher is farking shit and shame on all of you implied that it might be ok. Was anticipating at least a cut-price GOT, got some kind of shithouse PS2 role player game instead.

Are the novels actually good or should I make sure to avoid those as well?


Well I quite liked the first episode, then again I know many of the characters (from the video game series). I hear the second half of the season is better so I will stick with it.

As for the books, I didn't like them myself.


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Witcher is farking shit and shame on all of you implied that it might be ok. Was anticipating at least a cut-price GOT, got some kind of shithouse PS2 role player game instead.

Are the novels actually good or should I make sure to avoid those as well?


Well I quite liked the first episode, then again I know many of the characters (from the video game series). I hear the second half of the season is better so I will stick with it.

As for the books, I didn't like them myself.


Just watched the trailer - it looks fecking terrible


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Weirdly the production values and voice dubbing really improves during ep3. CGI gets a lot better (some really bad CGI early on), actors voices don't sound so much like they were recorded in a studio and added later. Did they get more budget, new show runner. Anyway if you're going to give it a go you need to get to the end of ep4 before deciding whether to give up. Also there's different timelines, it's not a secret like westworld and it's not done nearly as well. You're better of knowing.


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Weirdly the production values and voice dubbing really improves during ep3. CGI gets a lot better (some really bad CGI early on), actors voices don't sound so much like they were recorded in a studio and added later. Did they get more budget, new show runner. Anyway if you're going to give it a go you need to get to the end of ep4 before deciding whether to give up. Also there's different timelines, it's not a secret like westworld and it's not done nearly as well. You're better of knowing.


I had it on a second screen while I did a bunch of audio file tagging and system updates, so maybe that was it, but it took me a minute to figure out the timelines. Could've been handled better.


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Can't help but notice the best show on TV - Mr Robot - is not being discussed in the slightest in this thread.


Agree, Mr Robot is easily the best this year. Watched ep11 last night an absolute mindfuck, there have been so many golden moments in Season 4. I'm really going to miss it after next weeks 2 hour finale.

I don't think it gets discussed much here because its on Amazon prime in the UK?



Whats it about?? I have Amazon Prime but never ever watched anything on it!!


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For those that have forgotten, GOT was super low budget and shit in the first few eps. Remember that scene where Jaime pushes the lad out the window? That had the production value of a porno. It wasn’t all huge armies and flying dragons.


Eh? Apart from it basically being a porno (not even the disturbingly popular step-sibling kind, real incest) there is no need for any ropy CGI or jarring editing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC0RN2641Sw

GOT's quality declined as it's budget increased. What it had in its earlier seasons were well-drawn characters, compelling plots, brilliant dialogue and lots of weird sex-and-death-and-dragons shit.

The Witcher could smother its entire production in billion dollar CGI and it wouldn't have any of that. Because its clearly stupid and shit.


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GOT's quality remained fine till about season 6, 7 I could tolerate as I accepted they were just wrapping up GRRM's terrible writing, 8 was an unmitigated disaster.


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GOT's quality remained fine till about season 6, 7 I could tolerate as I accepted they were just wrapping up GRRM's terrible writing, 8 was an unmitigated disaster.


Yeah that's fair, the decline was only nakedly apparent in those last two seasons. Their inflated budgets clearly helped to improve some of those epic battle episodes, at least before the last season.


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Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome made the medicine go down a lot easier.

The two best archs were Eddard's and Robb's tbh, both the show and GRRM kinda couldn't match that again.

Jon's is quite good, the show did it much better imo.
Sandor's was great but he's more of a secondary character.
Arya's went off the wall and it really seemed like Tyrion had not much to do after the confrontation with Tywin.


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Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome made the medicine go down a lot easier.

The two best archs were Eddard's and Robb's tbh, both the show and GRRM kinda couldn't match that again.


Yes, was thinking of those two battles in particular. Much easier to paper over the loss of compelling characters like those when you can rely on genuinely intense, well-shot battle sequences to sustain a whole episode (and have the budget to do it).


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About half way through episode 1 of the Witcher and I'm struggling
It's incredibly corny, like something out of a 90s tv fantasy.
Everything that isn't Geralt feels boring and even his dialogue is quite cod.

Gotta be honest, the diversity is also pretty distracting.
It just makes an already camp show feel more costume-y.


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Agree 100% - I think season 4 is the best so far. Seems like more money has been thrown at the special effects and the script writing is superior to the previous episodes. IMO the best sci-fi series for a while and long may it continue.

Nolanator wrote:
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Couple of episodes in to the Expanse. They're already sowing the seeds for what's to come in the next season with the stuff back in home system.
They also seem to be including some of God's of Risk, a novella' of Bobbie's side story back on Mars.



So I've finished season 4. I thought it was not bad but the weakest of the four seasons so far.

I little too much on the human drama to draw in a wider audience, and the sci-fi ideas don't ramp up like they did in the previous seasons.

Only 6 episodes in myself, so haven't seen the climax/resolution.

The book is almost entirely based on Ilus/New Terra, Bobbie's not in it at all. I think they had to do a lot of building new foundations after season 3. The build up to and opening of the ring gate is a natural break. New story arcs etc have to be developed

The Mars storyline is adapted from Gods of Risk, like I said, and the arc with Michio Pa and Ashford is setting the background for the next major chapter in season 5. Fairly sure that all the political wrangling in the UN is a show fabrication too.

The majority of the action bring set down a well, rather than in ships and stations also changes the feel.

I am enjoying it, though.

Finished the last couple of episodes there. Enjoyed it all. Definitely a different feel to the first few seasons. Lots of foreshadowing and building for what's to happen in the next couple of seasons.
I liked the Mars storyline. Did a good job of telling the viewer which way to look for what's to come. When I read the books I kinda glazed over that stuff and missed some details that were minor arcs.

Also, I mentioned Michio Pa in my earlier post. Meant Drummer. Show Drummer is an amalgamation of a few characters, but she's going to take on Pa's role in season 5.


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About half way through episode 1 of the Witcher and I'm struggling
It's incredibly corny, like something out of a 90s tv fantasy.
Everything that isn't Geralt feels boring and even his dialogue is quite cod.

Gotta be honest, the diversity is also pretty distracting.
It just makes an already camp show feel more costume-y.

I gave up as I learned it really doesn't get any better.
A shame,


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Floppykid wrote:
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About half way through episode 1 of the Witcher and I'm struggling
It's incredibly corny, like something out of a 90s tv fantasy.
Everything that isn't Geralt feels boring and even his dialogue is quite cod.

Gotta be honest, the diversity is also pretty distracting.
It just makes an already camp show feel more costume-y.

I gave up as I learned it really doesn't get any better.
A shame,

I don’t think it’s terrible. Could have been so much better though :(


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Mr. Robot finale is incredible. A fitting end to a superb show.


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Mr. Robot finale is incredible. A fitting end to a superb show.

:thumbup:
great. will start watching the next couple of days...


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The Witcher drops tomorrow right?

Yup, and it's Netflix, so can be binged over Christmas time off. :thumbup:

Seen 3 episodes and enjoying it a lot.


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Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome made the medicine go down a lot easier.

The two best archs were Eddard's and Robb's tbh, both the show and GRRM kinda couldn't match that again.


Yes, was thinking of those two battles in particular. Much easier to paper over the loss of compelling characters like those when you can rely on genuinely intense, well-shot battle sequences to sustain a whole episode (and have the budget to do it).

Also The Door. Probably the most intense single episode in the whole series. Not actually that hot on battle of the bastards.
Note to writers: good guys losing and escaping by the skin of their teeth makes for excellent TV.


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