NZ Politics Thread

Couch · Post by **Couch** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:07 pm

booji boy wrote:Ok, Ok you Labourites.

With Foster as All Blacks coach I was willing to concede the Bledisloe Cup.

With Bridges as National leader I guess I might as well concede the election.

Only a woman can dethrone Jacinda, and National have none.(just Butch ones with big clits)

Harvey2.0 · Post by **Harvey2.0** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:12 pm

Couch wrote:
booji boy wrote:Ok, Ok you Labourites.

With Foster as All Blacks coach I was willing to concede the Bledisloe Cup.

With Bridges as National leader I guess I might as well concede the election.
Only a woman can dethrone Jacinda, and National have none.(just Butch ones with big clits)

How do you know that?

Muttonbirds · Post by **Muttonbirds** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:25 pm

You're embarrassing yourself, harvey.

Not being able to understand or use the quote function properly is a sign of poor intelligence.

Tehui · Post by **Tehui** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:32 am

Maniototo Man wrote:I see Duncan Garner is beating up the prospect of a National Party coup against Simon Bridges.

As I regularly tell my National friends, he is the worst party leader they've had since Jim 'Wendy' McLay, and I wouldn't consider voting for them again until he is gone.

Having said that I don't know who they should select. They seem to be bereft of any genuine leadership material and have lost a lot of experience and talent since the last election.

It's certainly not the National Party of my youth.

Do you think Bill English should have stayed on? After spending 9 years in government, it sounded like his heart wasn't in it for a 3 year term in opposition. Interestingly, Tariana Turia holds Bill English in high regard for his affiliative ability to listen and work with others. She's not a person who gives out praise lightly.

Gordon Bennett · Post by **Gordon Bennett** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:32 am

Couch wrote:
booji boy wrote:Ok, Ok you Labourites.

With Foster as All Blacks coach I was willing to concede the Bledisloe Cup.

With Bridges as National leader I guess I might as well concede the election.
Only a woman can dethrone Jacinda, and National have none.(just Butch ones with big clits)

It didn't take much for this thread to turn to drivel again, did it?

Plenty of better options than Bridges to run the Nats. I doubt anyone would want it until after the election if it really is a shit-show. My view is there's plenty of time left before the election and even coming through the Coronavirus relatively unscathed in a health perspective will then just show the condition of the economy earlier. The election is far from a certainty given the timing.

eugenius · Post by **eugenius** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:42 am

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/2 ... 5ZzNkxNJZo

One for Bill .

UncleFB · Post by **UncleFB** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:53 am

eugenius wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/2 ... 5ZzNkxNJZo

One for Bill .

Sheesh Eug, don't encourage him to bring his new found lunacy to this thread right at the moment couch is bringing his.

RuggaBugga · Post by **RuggaBugga** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:03 am

Maniototo Man wrote:I see Duncan Garner is beating up the prospect of a National Party coup against Simon Bridges.

As I regularly tell my National friends, he is the worst party leader they've had since Jim 'Wendy' McLay, and I wouldn't consider voting for them again until he is gone.

Having said that I don't know who they should select. They seem to be bereft of any genuine leadership material and have lost a lot of experience and talent since the last election.

It's certainly not the National Party of my youth.

He was on RNZ this morning doubling down and generally making an arse out of himself. Refused to say that he would've lifted the lockdown if the decision was his despite holding a press conference bleating minutes after the extension was announced. Suzy Ferguson was asking some pointed questions about whether he had the confidence of the caucus and ended with do you have the support of your deputy Paula Bennett before cutting him off.

He's made an absolute arsehat out of himself through this. Dick at the beginning, managed to toe the line through the lockdown and then acting the dick again. How hard is it to cotton on that the vast majority of people are highly supportive of the governments handling of this up to and including the extension of the lockdown.

There are some fair criticisms to be made around the contact tracing and PPE situations in particular. He could've just said he would've focused more on those areas if in charge which would potentially have mitigated the need for the extension. Perhaps in addition to more help for SME's, different rules for businesses under level 4 etc...

His seeming inability to read the room is a huge liability for National.

Fat Old Git · Post by **Fat Old Git** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:11 am

National really have tried their best to self destruct since becoming the opposition.

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:12 am

eugenius wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/2 ... 5ZzNkxNJZo

One for Bill .

Kindly confine your dimwitted crap to the dickheads thread.

deadduck · Post by **deadduck** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:14 am

He would have made more ground holding the government to account about the many workers who have fallen through the holes in the safety net and had to endure the lockdown with no government support and the bare minimum support from their employers.

People love a sob story and this is one area where the finance minister and prime minister have for the most part successfully kept the lid on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if 100,000+ people were affected this way.

Maniototo Man · Post by **Maniototo Man** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:27 am

Tehui wrote:
Maniototo Man wrote:I see Duncan Garner is beating up the prospect of a National Party coup against Simon Bridges.

As I regularly tell my National friends, he is the worst party leader they've had since Jim 'Wendy' McLay, and I wouldn't consider voting for them again until he is gone.

Having said that I don't know who they should select. They seem to be bereft of any genuine leadership material and have lost a lot of experience and talent since the last election.

It's certainly not the National Party of my youth.
Do you think Bill English should have stayed on? After spending 9 years in government, it sounded like his heart wasn't in it for a 3 year term in opposition. Interestingly, Tariana Turia holds Bill English in high regard for his affiliative ability to listen and work with others. She's not a person who gives out praise lightly.

I've always liked Bill and he's a heckuva good guy if you ever get the chance to meet him face-to-face. He was just unlucky to get the leadership at the time he did.

When he was at Uni he was quite keen on the flatmate of a friend of Mrs MM's and spent a lot of time around there. When said friend bumped into him at Wellington airport years later when he was Minister of Finance he recognised her. As quick as a flash she replied - "Shit - is that you Bill? I didn't recognise you without your stubbies and jandals".

Kahu · Post by **Kahu** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:29 am

I hope National have taken the Labour approach by choosing an unelectable leader who they will replace at the beginning of the election campaign. I can't believe Mark Mitchell's name is being thrown around though

Maniototo Man · Post by **Maniototo Man** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:31 am

deadduck wrote:He would have made more ground holding the government to account about the many workers who have fallen through the holes in the safety net and had to endure the lockdown with no government support and the bare minimum support from their employers.

People love a sob story and this is one area where the finance minister and prime minister have for the most part successfully kept the lid on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if 100,000+ people were affected this way.

He was certainly offered a good platform to keep up his profile. I guess he still has time to pull it together again, especially as the economic realities bite for a lot of people.

Flockwitt · Post by **Flockwitt** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:37 am

Maniototo Man wrote:
deadduck wrote:He would have made more ground holding the government to account about the many workers who have fallen through the holes in the safety net and had to endure the lockdown with no government support and the bare minimum support from their employers.

People love a sob story and this is one area where the finance minister and prime minister have for the most part successfully kept the lid on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if 100,000+ people were affected this way.
He was certainly offered a good platform to keep up his profile. I guess he still has time to pull it together again, especially as the economic realities bite for a lot of people.

Bridges could have/should have done and said plenty of things, even a bit of faux support at the right time would have been remembered. But I think he's shot his bolt unless Labour stuff up in some significant way. I've already made up my mind about him which is a big

which won't be changing any time soon. The Nats need somebody else.

sonic_attack · Post by **sonic_attack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:40 am

deadduck wrote:He would have made more ground holding the government to account about the many workers who have fallen through the holes in the safety net and had to endure the lockdown with no government support and the bare minimum support from their employers.

People love a sob story and this is one area where the finance minister and prime minister have for the most part successfully kept the lid on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if 100,000+ people were affected this way.

There's bound to be questions asked of the wage subsidy at some stage soon. It was VERY easy to get, which I'm sure everyone is grateful for. I personally don't have any gripe with it's ease of access or implementation. Inside a few days or a week max practically everyone had a sum deposited into their account. If anyone hadn't seen how it actually worked it was simply a case of business name or company register number, IRD number, a drop down selection with two options for "yes I'll be 20% down in revenue for a month" or "No I'm under 20% down in revenue for a month" and your bank account number. At the bottom of the page is where you entered your employees and if they were part time or full time.

It was about the easiest system you could ever possibly imagine a government department could ever implement. I'd question how much has gone out that perhaps didn't need too.

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:42 am

Maniototo Man wrote:
deadduck wrote:He would have made more ground holding the government to account about the many workers who have fallen through the holes in the safety net and had to endure the lockdown with no government support and the bare minimum support from their employers.

People love a sob story and this is one area where the finance minister and prime minister have for the most part successfully kept the lid on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if 100,000+ people were affected this way.
He was certainly offered a good platform to keep up his profile. I guess he still has time to pull it together again, especially as the economic realities bite for a lot of people.

Totally agree. This virus problem has a long difficult way to run for all of us yet and maybe, by September, we will be looking for some new ideas if it doesn't look like a fix is close.

RuggaBugga · Post by **RuggaBugga** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:05 am

6 today but three repatriated from the cruiseship so efectively only three new cases and all related to existing clusters

One more death

kiweez · Post by **kiweez** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:12 am

Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?

Enzedder · Post by **Enzedder** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:14 am

kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?

Same shit; different day with added plague

Jerome Manning · Post by **Jerome Manning** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:15 am

kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?

Jacinda's been great

Muttonbirds · Post by **Muttonbirds** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:19 am

Jerome Manning wrote:
kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?
Jacinda's been great

Welcome, multi. Tread carefully.

Ted. · Post by **Ted.** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:19 am

RuggaBugga wrote:
Maniototo Man wrote:I see Duncan Garner is beating up the prospect of a National Party coup against Simon Bridges.

As I regularly tell my National friends, he is the worst party leader they've had since Jim 'Wendy' McLay, and I wouldn't consider voting for them again until he is gone.

Having said that I don't know who they should select. They seem to be bereft of any genuine leadership material and have lost a lot of experience and talent since the last election.

It's certainly not the National Party of my youth.
He was on RNZ this morning doubling down and generally making an arse out of himself. Refused to say that he would've lifted the lockdown if the decision was his despite holding a press conference bleating minutes after the extension was announced. Suzy Ferguson was asking some pointed questions about whether he had the confidence of the caucus and ended with do you have the support of your deputy Paula Bennett before cutting him off.

He's made an absolute arsehat out of himself through this. Dick at the beginning, managed to toe the line through the lockdown and then acting the dick again. How hard is it to cotton on that the vast majority of people are highly supportive of the governments handling of this up to and including the extension of the lockdown.

There are some fair criticisms to be made around the contact tracing and PPE situations in particular. He could've just said he would've focused more on those areas if in charge which would potentially have mitigated the need for the extension. Perhaps in addition to more help for SME's, different rules for businesses under level 4 etc...

His seeming inability to read the room is a huge liability for National.

That's a MoH and DBH issue more than a Government issue. You can't assess or react to advice, in highly specialised technical areas, that you never received. Even then, who else has been listening to the epidemiologists + Bill Gates?.

Kiwias · Post by **Kiwias** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:23 am

BillW wrote:
eugenius wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/2 ... 5ZzNkxNJZo

One for Bill .
Kindly confine your dimwitted crap to the dickheads thread.

How did SotN get your login?

RuggaBugga · Post by **RuggaBugga** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:28 am

Muttonbirds wrote:
Jerome Manning wrote:
kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?
Jacinda's been great
Welcome, multi. Tread carefully.

Muttonmong/Don/Hairyweapon does the ironing.

kiweez · Post by **kiweez** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:35 am

RuggaBugga wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:
Jerome Manning wrote:
kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?
Jacinda's been great
Welcome, multi. Tread carefully.
Muttonmong/Don/Hairyweapon does the ironing.

Ironing? Fark. Thanks to working from home, I haven't had to iron a shirt in weeks. I took 3 photos of myself the last time I was in a suit and just occasionally roll through them my zoom profile photo to give that "dodgy wifi connection" look.

Ted. · Post by **Ted.** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:41 am

Jerome Manning wrote:
kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?
Jacinda's been great

What did you get shit-canned for?

RuggaBugga · Post by **RuggaBugga** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:51 am

Ted. wrote:
Jerome Manning wrote:
kiweez wrote:Poking my head back into this thread after a long absence.

What have I missed...?
Jacinda's been great
What did you get shit-canned for?

Whose avatar again?

sonic_attack · Post by **sonic_attack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:58 am

If Soimon Bridges bit of hostile foot munching was a slip up - What do you call this from Deborah Russell?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12326641

Tehui · Post by **Tehui** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:59 am

Maniototo Man wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Maniototo Man wrote:I see Duncan Garner is beating up the prospect of a National Party coup against Simon Bridges.

As I regularly tell my National friends, he is the worst party leader they've had since Jim 'Wendy' McLay, and I wouldn't consider voting for them again until he is gone.

Having said that I don't know who they should select. They seem to be bereft of any genuine leadership material and have lost a lot of experience and talent since the last election.

It's certainly not the National Party of my youth.
Do you think Bill English should have stayed on? After spending 9 years in government, it sounded like his heart wasn't in it for a 3 year term in opposition. Interestingly, Tariana Turia holds Bill English in high regard for his affiliative ability to listen and work with others. She's not a person who gives out praise lightly.
I've always liked Bill and he's a heckuva good guy if you ever get the chance to meet him face-to-face. He was just unlucky to get the leadership at the time he did.

When he was at Uni he was quite keen on the flatmate of a friend of Mrs MM's and spent a lot of time around there. When said friend bumped into him at Wellington airport years later when he was Minister of Finance he recognised her. As quick as a flash she replied - "Shit - is that you Bill? I didn't recognise you without your stubbies and jandals".

I've met Bill English before. He made a bee-line for me at an event I attended in 2014. I'm not sure why he approached me given the other fancy people in the room, I was just attending for the free feed. He came across as down-to-earth.

TheDocForgotHisLogon · Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:18 am

sonic_attack wrote:If Soimon Bridges bit of hostile foot munching was a slip up - What do you call this from Deborah Russell?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12326641

That was an absolute disgrace. Chair of the Finance Select Committee as well I think. Robertson slapped her down, but that's a borderline sacking / resignation offence. Reveals the total lack of understanding of running a business that's basically wall-to-wall in the government and might really hurt them in the recovery.

jambanja · Post by **jambanja** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:26 am

Tehui wrote:I've met Bill English before. He made a bee-line for me at an event I attended in 2014. I'm not sure why he approached me given the other fancy people in the room, I was just attending for the free feed. He came across as down-to-earth.

Perhaps he was keen on a new portfolio ?

sonic_attack · Post by **sonic_attack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:35 am

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:If Soimon Bridges bit of hostile foot munching was a slip up - What do you call this from Deborah Russell?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12326641
That was an absolute disgrace. Chair of the Finance Select Committee as well I think. Robertson slapped her down, but that's a borderline sacking / resignation offence. Reveals the total lack of understanding of running a business that's basically wall-to-wall in the government and might really hurt them in the recovery.

The clip probably makes it look a lot worse, theres probably a bunch of context after that.
I spit my cup of tea so hard when watching it though, it was running out my nose and almost collapsed from a combination laughing, choking, coughing fit

TheDocForgotHisLogon · Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:47 am

jambanja wrote:
Tehui wrote:I've met Bill English before. He made a bee-line for me at an event I attended in 2014. I'm not sure why he approached me given the other fancy people in the room, I was just attending for the free feed. He came across as down-to-earth.
Perhaps he was keen on a new portfolio ?

BRING BACK BILL! BRING BACK BILL!

deadduck · Post by **deadduck** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:51 am

sonic_attack wrote:
deadduck wrote:He would have made more ground holding the government to account about the many workers who have fallen through the holes in the safety net and had to endure the lockdown with no government support and the bare minimum support from their employers.

People love a sob story and this is one area where the finance minister and prime minister have for the most part successfully kept the lid on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if 100,000+ people were affected this way.
There's bound to be questions asked of the wage subsidy at some stage soon. It was VERY easy to get, which I'm sure everyone is grateful for. I personally don't have any gripe with it's ease of access or implementation. Inside a few days or a week max practically everyone had a sum deposited into their account. If anyone hadn't seen how it actually worked it was simply a case of business name or company register number, IRD number, a drop down selection with two options for "yes I'll be 20% down in revenue for a month" or "No I'm under 20% down in revenue for a month" and your bank account number. At the bottom of the page is where you entered your employees and if they were part time or full time.

It was about the easiest system you could ever possibly imagine a government department could ever implement. I'd question how much has gone out that perhaps didn't need too.

It was easy to get, except when it wasn't. Something like 28,000 rejections. And for those employed by rejected businesses, they were lucky to get anything.

I now people who have been only on 50% pay because they can't work because of their risk. I also know people who have been basically stood down without pay so their employer could meet their risk obligations. Lucky for those with accrued leave, unlucky for those without.

eugenius · Post by **eugenius** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:54 am

RING BACK BILL! BRING BACK BILL!

Why, does his wife need another contract ?

Times being tough and all .

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:55 am

The Ardern fanboys in the press have been trying to say Soimun is a dead man walking for about 2 1/2 years now.

Good luck with that

Talk about desperate though.

He is shit and until this covid thing he was still kicking Labours arse.

I find it very funny

eugenius · Post by **eugenius** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:57 am

Hey, I’m very happy he’s the leader of the opposition.

I think he’s doing a stiring job .

Long may this ‘arse kicking’ continue .

I find it exceedingly humorous also -

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:04 am

eugenius wrote:Hey, I’m very happy he’s the leader of the opposition.

I think he’s doing a stiring job .

Long may this ‘arse licking’ continue .

I find it exceedingly humorous also -

After ChCh Labour were always going to get back in unless Dodgy Winnie got turfed.

This latest thing just double confirmed it.

Not sure why there is the need to invent shit.

Tehui · Post by **Tehui** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:31 am

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
jambanja wrote:
Tehui wrote:I've met Bill English before. He made a bee-line for me at an event I attended in 2014. I'm not sure why he approached me given the other fancy people in the room, I was just attending for the free feed. He came across as down-to-earth.
Perhaps he was keen on a new portfolio ?
BRING BACK BILL! BRING BACK BILL!

I liked Bill English more than I did John Key. My feelings might be based on the positive bias I have towards people who do the unseen work in the background, rather than those that are out front during the good news stories.