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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:56 pm 
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Mainly the she writes her own speaches bit. Though I have no issue with them reading PR written stuff. They all do.

Unless of course you think she came up with the slogans herself.


You don’t believe it? It’s unlikely she writes all of her speeches but she definitely wrote the chch stuff. And I would be surprised if she let anyone do covid for her. All that be kind stuff? That had to be her, not some speech writer putting words in her mouth.


Surely every politician has some input into their speeches even if it is written by a speech writer. They don't just stand up and glibly read whatever is written in a pre prepared speech. So whether she writes them herself or has experts do it is moot IMO. The important thing is the delivery and at that she is superb.

Now answering direct questions from The Hosk on a Monday morning interview about say, the CRL is a different story of course.


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The person who told me (or us I should say) is in a position to know. They said she wrote her own speeches for chch with no assistance.

Anything else is conjecture on my part, but I expect she took a similar approach to COVID. But I don’t know that, and no one has said that to me.

Tbh I dismiss anecdotal evidence from most people and would likely dismiss this if someone else was posting it, depending on the person, so I’m not going to hassle anyone being doubtful.


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I really don't care whether she wrote them herself or not. The important thing is the content and the delivery and on both counts they were superb and hit the right notes.


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Fair enough. It matters to me I guess because I think she was so successful because she appears to be genuine. I think this was all initially in response to a certain someone claiming she was lucky to get to crises on her watch?


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Nothing to do with holier than thou, or moral superiority, you prat, it's MAGA for pity's sake and not in an at all ironic way. Given his social policy alignments though, it's not too far fetched and I guess your colours are starting to show too.


:? I got nuthin.


Pull your head in, Ted.

It doesn't reflect well on Labour voters when the horses are so easily skittish.

Nothing in it.


I'm not a Labour voter, though I have voted for them previously, as I have a number of parties and MPs of different shades over the years. I do tend to liberal policies though, especially socially. I have also been in business longer than some of the posters on this thread have been alive, so have some leanings in that direction, too. Call me a pragmatic socialist if you like.

As for the Muller. I disliked Bridges. I could not bring myself to vote for a party headed by him, even though I have a lot a time for my local MP, Chris Bishop, I don't necessarily share all his views (that's a possible hint as to which way I will go this election, I'm not sure yet). Anyway, Bridges is out and good riddance and it is was looking good there for a moment that we might have a strong choice presented in the form of Todd Muller. He looked like a genuine person who would give Labour a run, however, scratching the surface, it turns out he is a social conservative with a religious twist, whose stances on such things as abortion and euthanasia I simply cannot go along with. It also seems that even his supposed ability to work with others is not entirely sincere, as was evidenced by him working to water down climate change policy while ostensibly working toward a getting practical consensus on zero carbine emissions and such like. Muller is apparently also somewhat sceptical of science, while being very much for such things as irrigation to allow intensification of farming and the introduction of farming types where it it can't presently exist. Given his background, he is a proponent for dairy. Whereas, I am very much against irrigation in the high country for dairy, for example, or changing naturally suited dry stock or cropping land to dairy.

So, from initial promise that he was a decent, genuine somewhat progressive politician, I am disappointed that my choices have been narrowed in the election because he has, in my eyes at least, slipped down the rungs.

Regarding the MAGA thing, it was grist for the mill. Anyone who can countenance that, points to someone who is probably way too conservative for me, someone who is possibly duplicitous and is willing to lower standards for political expediency. Also, having posted in opposition to that shite on the Trump thread, I would be a hypocrite if I could go near that without comment.

TLDR? /don't tell me to pull my head in, you North Otago twat.


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Fair enough. It matters to me I guess because I think she was so successful because she appears to be genuine. I think this was all initially in response to a certain someone claiming she was lucky to get to crises on her watch?



Without wanting to get too cynical about it, if I was a leader looking to grow in credibility and was shown a laundry list of various crises that would occur and those options included mass shootings, major natural disasters, volcanic eruptions and pandemics.. If I was able to pick which ones I'd want to have to handle it would be the mass shooting and the volcanic eruption because those are the shortest term crises and the least complicated to manage and they provide an opportunity to really get your face on the tv without the potential for f**king things up big time.

She drawn the short straw with the global pandemic though. Ooof. What she's managed so far, that's the easy bit.


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You’re right, it sounds cynical. I don’t disagree with you though.


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I think if Labour did a poor job campaigning in Nelson in the last election then the Greens could have won that seat. Not sure whether Matt Lawrey's continued to build a profile down there.


Do you think it would be worthwhile "gifting" that seat Epsom style to the Greens in return for ongoing support?


I think it'd be worthwhile to consign Nick Smith to the rubbish bin of history. I don't like the gifting of seats and have been vocal about that. I'd be sad to see representation environmental causes not in parliament, but the Greens' current position is much to do with their own failures to deliver a vast amount in this term as anything else. I hope their 'Green jobs' policy works and has the impact of getting them over the 5% line rather than doing an electorate deal.

But I would like to see the back of Nick Smith.


Dunno what's happened to Lawrey. Greens have announced Dr Aaron Stallard as the Nelson candidate. And I see anti-1080 loon Sue Grey is also standing there.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... -in-nelson


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Gordon Bennett wrote:
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I think if Labour did a poor job campaigning in Nelson in the last election then the Greens could have won that seat. Not sure whether Matt Lawrey's continued to build a profile down there.


Do you think it would be worthwhile "gifting" that seat Epsom style to the Greens in return for ongoing support?


I think it'd be worthwhile to consign Nick Smith to the rubbish bin of history. I don't like the gifting of seats and have been vocal about that. I'd be sad to see representation environmental causes not in parliament, but the Greens' current position is much to do with their own failures to deliver a vast amount in this term as anything else. I hope their 'Green jobs' policy works and has the impact of getting them over the 5% line rather than doing an electorate deal.

But I would like to see the back of Nick Smith.


Dunno what's happened to Lawrey. Greens have announced Dr Aaron Stallard as the Nelson candidate. And I see anti-1080 loon Sue Grey is also standing there.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... -in-nelson


I know she has every right to do so, but hell I hope her political career is an abject failure.


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First Friday night at the pub for ages and man it was rocking. Pissed as a chook at 7pm - loving it.


Hope you had a good time mate. :thumbup:

What was it like with the social distancing etc?


It got really slack. I was sharing a few with a lady I used to work with (Aunty of a beer loving All Black winger). Another chick, quite good looking, came up and said to my drinking buddy that she was "fucking hot" and was all over her.

It was fun to watch and I cracked up laughing. Gotta love the Tron on a Friday night

Which bar was this? :shock:


My local - Smith and Mckenzie in Chartwell

Notes that down for when Trans-Tasman travel resumes.


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Nothing to do with holier than thou, or moral superiority, you prat, it's MAGA for pity's sake and not in an at all ironic way. Given his social policy alignments though, it's not too far fetched and I guess your colours are starting to show too.


:? I got nuthin.


Pull your head in, Ted.

It doesn't reflect well on Labour voters when the horses are so easily skittish.

Nothing in it.


I'm not a Labour voter, though I have voted for them previously, as I have a number of parties and MPs of different shades over the years. I do tend to liberal policies though, especially socially. I have also been in business longer than some of the posters on this thread have been alive, so have some leanings in that direction, too. Call me a pragmatic socialist if you like.

As for the Muller. I disliked Bridges. I could not bring myself to vote for a party headed by him, even though I have a lot a time for my local MP, Chris Bishop, I don't necessarily share all his views (that's a possible hint as to which way I will go this election, I'm not sure yet). Anyway, Bridges is out and good riddance and it is was looking good there for a moment that we might have a strong choice presented in the form of Todd Muller. He looked like a genuine person who would give Labour a run, however, scratching the surface, it turns out he is a social conservative with a religious twist, whose stances on such things as abortion and euthanasia I simply cannot go along with. It also seems that even his supposed ability to work with others is not entirely sincere, as was evidenced by him working to water down climate change policy while ostensibly working toward a getting practical consensus on zero carbine emissions and such like. Muller is apparently also somewhat sceptical of science, while being very much for such things as irrigation to allow intensification of farming and the introduction of farming types where it it can't presently exist. Given his background, he is a proponent for dairy. Whereas, I am very much against irrigation in the high country for dairy, for example, or changing naturally suited dry stock or cropping land to dairy.

So, from initial promise that he was a decent, genuine somewhat progressive politician, I am disappointed that my choices have been narrowed in the election because he has, in my eyes at least, slipped down the rungs.

Regarding the MAGA thing, it was grist for the mill. Anyone who can countenance that, points to someone who is probably way too conservative for me, someone who is possibly duplicitous and is willing to lower standards for political expediency. Also, having posted in opposition to that shite on the Trump thread, I would be a hypocrite if I could go near that without comment.

TLDR? /don't tell me to pull my head in, you North Otago twat.


Accusing jdogscoop of being from North Otago is probably the most cruel thing you've ever done on this forum.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:34 am 
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Ted. wrote:
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Gordon Bennett wrote:
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Gordon Bennett wrote:
I think if Labour did a poor job campaigning in Nelson in the last election then the Greens could have won that seat. Not sure whether Matt Lawrey's continued to build a profile down there.


Do you think it would be worthwhile "gifting" that seat Epsom style to the Greens in return for ongoing support?


I think it'd be worthwhile to consign Nick Smith to the rubbish bin of history. I don't like the gifting of seats and have been vocal about that. I'd be sad to see representation environmental causes not in parliament, but the Greens' current position is much to do with their own failures to deliver a vast amount in this term as anything else. I hope their 'Green jobs' policy works and has the impact of getting them over the 5% line rather than doing an electorate deal.

But I would like to see the back of Nick Smith.


Dunno what's happened to Lawrey. Greens have announced Dr Aaron Stallard as the Nelson candidate. And I see anti-1080 loon Sue Grey is also standing there.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... -in-nelson


I know she has every right to do so, but hell I hope her political career is an abject failure.


I have no doubt she’ll do reasonably well in Nelson. Plenty of anti-1080 sentiment around those parts. Might have to check out the electoral map though as to whether places like Motueka and Takaka fall in Nelson or West Coast/Tasman. Either way, she’s smart and media savvy and has done massive damage to predator free by whipping up anti-1080 sentiment. No chance of a seat, but she could sadly make a splash.


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Ted. wrote:
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Nothing to do with holier than thou, or moral superiority, you prat, it's MAGA for pity's sake and not in an at all ironic way. Given his social policy alignments though, it's not too far fetched and I guess your colours are starting to show too.


:? I got nuthin.


Pull your head in, Ted.

It doesn't reflect well on Labour voters when the horses are so easily skittish.

Nothing in it.


I'm not a Labour voter, though I have voted for them previously, as I have a number of parties and MPs of different shades over the years. I do tend to liberal policies though, especially socially. I have also been in business longer than some of the posters on this thread have been alive, so have some leanings in that direction, too. Call me a pragmatic socialist if you like.

As for the Muller. I disliked Bridges. I could not bring myself to vote for a party headed by him, even though I have a lot a time for my local MP, Chris Bishop, I don't necessarily share all his views (that's a possible hint as to which way I will go this election, I'm not sure yet). Anyway, Bridges is out and good riddance and it is was looking good there for a moment that we might have a strong choice presented in the form of Todd Muller. He looked like a genuine person who would give Labour a run, however, scratching the surface, it turns out he is a social conservative with a religious twist, whose stances on such things as abortion and euthanasia I simply cannot go along with. It also seems that even his supposed ability to work with others is not entirely sincere, as was evidenced by him working to water down climate change policy while ostensibly working toward a getting practical consensus on zero carbine emissions and such like. Muller is apparently also somewhat sceptical of science, while being very much for such things as irrigation to allow intensification of farming and the introduction of farming types where it it can't presently exist. Given his background, he is a proponent for dairy. Whereas, I am very much against irrigation in the high country for dairy, for example, or changing naturally suited dry stock or cropping land to dairy.

So, from initial promise that he was a decent, genuine somewhat progressive politician, I am disappointed that my choices have been narrowed in the election because he has, in my eyes at least, slipped down the rungs.

Regarding the MAGA thing, it was grist for the mill. Anyone who can countenance that, points to someone who is probably way too conservative for me, someone who is possibly duplicitous and is willing to lower standards for political expediency. Also, having posted in opposition to that shite on the Trump thread, I would be a hypocrite if I could go near that without comment.

TLDR? /don't tell me to pull my head in, you North Otago twat.


:D Delicious. If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that people from North Otago are twats.

Fair points, well made.


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Ted. wrote:
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Nothing to do with holier than thou, or moral superiority, you prat, it's MAGA for pity's sake and not in an at all ironic way. Given his social policy alignments though, it's not too far fetched and I guess your colours are starting to show too.


:? I got nuthin.


Pull your head in, Ted.

It doesn't reflect well on Labour voters when the horses are so easily skittish.

Nothing in it.


I'm not a Labour voter, though I have voted for them previously, as I have a number of parties and MPs of different shades over the years. I do tend to liberal policies though, especially socially. I have also been in business longer than some of the posters on this thread have been alive, so have some leanings in that direction, too. Call me a pragmatic socialist if you like.

As for the Muller. I disliked Bridges. I could not bring myself to vote for a party headed by him, even though I have a lot a time for my local MP, Chris Bishop, I don't necessarily share all his views (that's a possible hint as to which way I will go this election, I'm not sure yet). Anyway, Bridges is out and good riddance and it is was looking good there for a moment that we might have a strong choice presented in the form of Todd Muller. He looked like a genuine person who would give Labour a run, however, scratching the surface, it turns out he is a social conservative with a religious twist, whose stances on such things as abortion and euthanasia I simply cannot go along with. It also seems that even his supposed ability to work with others is not entirely sincere, as was evidenced by him working to water down climate change policy while ostensibly working toward a getting practical consensus on zero carbine emissions and such like. Muller is apparently also somewhat sceptical of science, while being very much for such things as irrigation to allow intensification of farming and the introduction of farming types where it it can't presently exist. Given his background, he is a proponent for dairy. Whereas, I am very much against irrigation in the high country for dairy, for example, or changing naturally suited dry stock or cropping land to dairy.

So, from initial promise that he was a decent, genuine somewhat progressive politician, I am disappointed that my choices have been narrowed in the election because he has, in my eyes at least, slipped down the rungs.

Regarding the MAGA thing, it was grist for the mill. Anyone who can countenance that, points to someone who is probably way too conservative for me, someone who is possibly duplicitous and is willing to lower standards for political expediency. Also, having posted in opposition to that shite on the Trump thread, I would be a hypocrite if I could go near that without comment.

TLDR? /don't tell me to pull my head in, you North Otago twat.


Based on all that -who are you going to vote for then?

If Kaye was the leader would you vote for her instead? - as she has probably has pretty similar views to yourself


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Fair enough. It matters to me I guess because I think she was so successful because she appears to be genuine. I think this was all initially in response to a certain someone claiming she was lucky to get to crises on her watch?


I meant timing as in changes her chances of the election ffs.

She should walk it

Not having to deal with the aftermath.

Mind you I have only said this about 4 times


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Fair enough. It matters to me I guess because I think she was so successful because she appears to be genuine. I think this was all initially in response to a certain someone claiming she was lucky to get to crises on her watch?


I meant timing as in changes her chances of the election ffs.

She should walk it

Not having to deal with the aftermath.

Mind you I have only said this about 4 times


Because every leader has seen their popularity surge during COVID...


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4 months of heartache to come. Anything can (and probably will) happen.


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Fair enough. It matters to me I guess because I think she was so successful because she appears to be genuine. I think this was all initially in response to a certain someone claiming she was lucky to get to crises on her watch?


I meant timing as in changes her chances of the election ffs.

She should walk it

Not having to deal with the aftermath.

Mind you I have only said this about 4 times


Because every leader has seen their popularity surge during COVID...


No. Most leaders IN NZ see their parties popularity surge if their leader does a good job during a crisis.

And their preferred PM polling


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4 months of heartache to come. Anything can (and probably will) happen.


Such as ???


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Mainly the she writes her own speaches bit. Though I have no issue with them reading PR written stuff. They all do.

Unless of course you think she came up with the slogans herself.


You don’t believe it? It’s unlikely she writes all of her speeches but she definitely wrote the chch stuff. And I would be surprised if she let anyone do covid for her. All that be kind stuff? That had to be her, not some speech writer putting words in her mouth.


You have to be kidding me.

You think politicians don't have highly paid PR teams creating an image?

That is quite cute


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This thread should be renamed to 'The TMAB whingeing about Jacinda Adern Thread'.


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This thread should be renamed to 'The TMAB whingeing about Jacinda Adern Thread'.


Apologies

We should never criticise our politicians.

I keep forgetting

Edit: Unless it is overseas ones like Trump and Boris and they are older fat rich white dudes. Then it is ok.

I will try harder RC


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This thread should be renamed to 'The TMAB whingeing about Jacinda Adern Thread'.

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Nothing to do with holier than thou, or moral superiority, you prat, it's MAGA for pity's sake and not in an at all ironic way. Given his social policy alignments though, it's not too far fetched and I guess your colours are starting to show too.


:? I got nuthin.


Pull your head in, Ted.

It doesn't reflect well on Labour voters when the horses are so easily skittish.

Nothing in it.


I'm not a Labour voter, though I have voted for them previously, as I have a number of parties and MPs of different shades over the years. I do tend to liberal policies though, especially socially. I have also been in business longer than some of the posters on this thread have been alive, so have some leanings in that direction, too. Call me a pragmatic socialist if you like.

As for the Muller. I disliked Bridges. I could not bring myself to vote for a party headed by him, even though I have a lot a time for my local MP, Chris Bishop, I don't necessarily share all his views (that's a possible hint as to which way I will go this election, I'm not sure yet). Anyway, Bridges is out and good riddance and it is was looking good there for a moment that we might have a strong choice presented in the form of Todd Muller. He looked like a genuine person who would give Labour a run, however, scratching the surface, it turns out he is a social conservative with a religious twist, whose stances on such things as abortion and euthanasia I simply cannot go along with. It also seems that even his supposed ability to work with others is not entirely sincere, as was evidenced by him working to water down climate change policy while ostensibly working toward a getting practical consensus on zero carbine emissions and such like. Muller is apparently also somewhat sceptical of science, while being very much for such things as irrigation to allow intensification of farming and the introduction of farming types where it it can't presently exist. Given his background, he is a proponent for dairy. Whereas, I am very much against irrigation in the high country for dairy, for example, or changing naturally suited dry stock or cropping land to dairy.

So, from initial promise that he was a decent, genuine somewhat progressive politician, I am disappointed that my choices have been narrowed in the election because he has, in my eyes at least, slipped down the rungs.

Regarding the MAGA thing, it was grist for the mill. Anyone who can countenance that, points to someone who is probably way too conservative for me, someone who is possibly duplicitous and is willing to lower standards for political expediency. Also, having posted in opposition to that shite on the Trump thread, I would be a hypocrite if I could go near that without comment.

TLDR? /don't tell me to pull my head in, you North Otago twat.


Based on all that -who are you going to vote for then?

If Kaye was the leader would you vote for her instead? - as she has probably has pretty similar views to yourself


Probably Chris Bishop in my local electorate and probably Labour in my party vote. But.......

Kaye probably swings more than I do.


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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote:
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Nothing to do with holier than thou, or moral superiority, you prat, it's MAGA for pity's sake and not in an at all ironic way. Given his social policy alignments though, it's not too far fetched and I guess your colours are starting to show too.


:? I got nuthin.


Pull your head in, Ted.

It doesn't reflect well on Labour voters when the horses are so easily skittish.

Nothing in it.


I'm not a Labour voter, though I have voted for them previously, as I have a number of parties and MPs of different shades over the years. I do tend to liberal policies though, especially socially. I have also been in business longer than some of the posters on this thread have been alive, so have some leanings in that direction, too. Call me a pragmatic socialist if you like.

As for the Muller. I disliked Bridges. I could not bring myself to vote for a party headed by him, even though I have a lot a time for my local MP, Chris Bishop, I don't necessarily share all his views (that's a possible hint as to which way I will go this election, I'm not sure yet). Anyway, Bridges is out and good riddance and it is was looking good there for a moment that we might have a strong choice presented in the form of Todd Muller. He looked like a genuine person who would give Labour a run, however, scratching the surface, it turns out he is a social conservative with a religious twist, whose stances on such things as abortion and euthanasia I simply cannot go along with. It also seems that even his supposed ability to work with others is not entirely sincere, as was evidenced by him working to water down climate change policy while ostensibly working toward a getting practical consensus on zero carbine emissions and such like. Muller is apparently also somewhat sceptical of science, while being very much for such things as irrigation to allow intensification of farming and the introduction of farming types where it it can't presently exist. Given his background, he is a proponent for dairy. Whereas, I am very much against irrigation in the high country for dairy, for example, or changing naturally suited dry stock or cropping land to dairy.

So, from initial promise that he was a decent, genuine somewhat progressive politician, I am disappointed that my choices have been narrowed in the election because he has, in my eyes at least, slipped down the rungs.

Regarding the MAGA thing, it was grist for the mill. Anyone who can countenance that, points to someone who is probably way too conservative for me, someone who is possibly duplicitous and is willing to lower standards for political expediency. Also, having posted in opposition to that shite on the Trump thread, I would be a hypocrite if I could go near that without comment.

TLDR? /don't tell me to pull my head in, you North Otago twat.


Accusing jdogscoop of being from North Otago is probably the most cruel thing you've ever done on this forum.


:D


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This thread should be renamed to 'The TMAB whingeing about Jacinda Adern Thread'.


Works for me.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:22 am 
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4 months of heartache to come. Anything can (and probably will) happen.


Such as ???



Sorry, bit vague. I was thinking about the economy. I think we will be worse than -10% growth by election time and jobless will be up to 10%+


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booji boy wrote:
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4 months of heartache to come. Anything can (and probably will) happen.


Such as ???



Sorry, bit vague. I was thinking about the economy. I think we will be worse than -10% growth by election time and jobless will be up to 10%+


All parties will have a luxury that isn't usually available. They can promise things that require significant borrowing without the usually focus on immediate fiscal responsibility.


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:41 am 
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Enzedder wrote:
booji boy wrote:
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4 months of heartache to come. Anything can (and probably will) happen.


Such as ???



Sorry, bit vague. I was thinking about the economy. I think we will be worse than -10% growth by election time and jobless will be up to 10%+


Totally agree. Taking a glass is half full approach, a crisis can often present an opportunity to do things differently though.


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Apparently Hooton has deleted his Twitter account after becoming conflicted in working for the Muller campaign while at the same time acting as political commentator in the media.

Dirty politics still alive and well in the National Party. :nod:


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I like hooton, wish I knew the full picture as it’s never been a secret he was connected and most on the left treated him like he had an agenda in any case.

I hope he returns to twitter as I find his serious posts insightful and his trolling hilarious.


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I like hooton, wish I knew the full picture as it’s never been a secret he was connected and most on the left treated him like he had an agenda in any case.

I hope he returns to twitter as I find his serious posts insightful and his trolling hilarious.
There's no doubt he has an agenda. That agenda clearly RW but also to sweep out the John Key crew of which Bridges and Bennett were the vestiges.

In this case he's claiming any support for Muller was as a friend, unpaid (!) and unofficial. Claims the first he 'helped' Muller was Wednesday night. :roll: He was still giving radio comment on Friday morning...

The deleting of his Twitter is significant. It's a large part of his business.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018747708/prominent-pundit-pulls-back-over-muller-link


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How on earth is this dirty politics? If anything it's the antithesis?

Hooton was straight up about a clear conflict of interest and has withdrawn from political commentary roles in the media.

Unless you think he has such influence that he was able to game the National caucus votes in Muller's favour in just the one week this saga has been running?


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With Hooton on board, we can expect Muller to make a play for the Greens as an alternative to NZF. Not sure how far that can go though. They'd much rather their bunnies led by Vernon Tava but that ship looks to have sunk.


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I see the usual suspects on twitter are losing their shit about this.

Let me ask this question

Presuming Hooten was involved for a long time, what material difference could it have made to the leadership challenge that could not have been achieved by other means?
Do National MPs form their opinions solely by listening to Radio NZ? Did Radio NZ listeners vote in the leadership challenge?


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Gordon Bennett wrote:
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Do you think it would be worthwhile "gifting" that seat Epsom style to the Greens in return for ongoing support?


I think it'd be worthwhile to consign Nick Smith to the rubbish bin of history. I don't like the gifting of seats and have been vocal about that. I'd be sad to see representation environmental causes not in parliament, but the Greens' current position is much to do with their own failures to deliver a vast amount in this term as anything else. I hope their 'Green jobs' policy works and has the impact of getting them over the 5% line rather than doing an electorate deal.

But I would like to see the back of Nick Smith.


Dunno what's happened to Lawrey. Greens have announced Dr Aaron Stallard as the Nelson candidate. And I see anti-1080 loon Sue Grey is also standing there.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... -in-nelson


I know she has every right to do so, but hell I hope her political career is an abject failure.


I have no doubt she’ll do reasonably well in Nelson. Plenty of anti-1080 sentiment around those parts. Might have to check out the electoral map though as to whether places like Motueka and Takaka fall in Nelson or West Coast/Tasman. Either way, she’s smart and media savvy and has done massive damage to predator free by whipping up anti-1080 sentiment. No chance of a seat, but she could sadly make a splash.


I know you didn't necessarily imply it, but to be clear, intelligence doesn't make her at all wise or sensible and least of all, honest. Being intelligent does make her more dangerous, which now that my wheels have had time to spin up, it what I think you were getting at in the first place.

For quick and easy categorisation, I put her types in with anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, MAGA hat collectors, 5G tower terrorists and hydroxymorons. Generally conceited, foolish people with sociopathic tendencies, though not necessarily easily dismissed. Her type going mainstream is the bane of the world.

Given the slight shift in the wind down there, has your thinking on Enz's proposal changed?


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How on earth is this dirty politics? If anything it's the antithesis?

Hooton was straight up about a clear conflict of interest and has withdrawn from political commentary roles in the media.

Unless you think he has such influence that he was able to game the National caucus votes in Muller's favour in just the one week this saga has been running?


Anything done by the other "side" is dirty politics in the eyes of many.


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How on earth is this dirty politics? If anything it's the antithesis?

Hooton was straight up about a clear conflict of interest and has withdrawn from political commentary roles in the media.

Unless you think he has such influence that he was able to game the National caucus votes in Muller's favour in just the one week this saga has been running?


Anything done by the other "side" is dirty politics in the eyes of many.


Correct - and the opposite also applies (everything our side does is OK and justified).


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I mean, its nothing compared to the time Ardern hired a lobbyist as her chief of staff and he didn't even have to resign from his lobbyist firm.


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How on earth is this dirty politics? If anything it's the antithesis?

Hooton was straight up about a clear conflict of interest and has withdrawn from political commentary roles in the media.

Unless you think he has such influence that he was able to game the National caucus votes in Muller's favour in just the one week this saga has been running?


Anything done by the other "side" is dirty politics in the eyes of many.


Correct - and the opposite also applies (everything our side does is OK and justified).


Yep. Two sides of the same tribal my "side" is good and the other is evil coin.


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