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deadduck wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:It’s not clear cut

https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2017

That list is clearly a load of crap as they've put the most liberal NZ party as the most authoritarian
I know, quite a bullshit call on ACT but there’s enough substance to make my point. NZ First is more willing to interrvene In the market than the major parties and that’s a left wing thing to do.

I also find it rich how labour is right wing and national is even more right. Who is their basis for centre? I think they have this perspective that most western nations apply right wing thinking but I’m not sure everyone agrees with that.
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Auckman wrote:I can't see National living with a NZF demand for the immigration portfolio and immigration to be at 15k a year. For the first time, he has made his anti-immigration stances a bottom line.
Winston and bottom lines :lol:
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Brabus wrote:
Auckman wrote:I can't see National living with a NZF demand for the immigration portfolio and immigration to be at 15k a year. For the first time, he has made his anti-immigration stances a bottom line.
Winston and bottom lines :lol:
It won't matter. I reckon he's a goner.

I see Dark is too. What did he do?

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Wilderbeast wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:It’s not clear cut

https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2017

That list is clearly a load of crap as they've put the most liberal NZ party as the most authoritarian
I know, quite a bullshit call on ACT but there’s enough substance to make my point. NZ First is more willing to interrvene In the market than the major parties and that’s a left wing thing to do.

I also find it rich how labour is right wing and national is even more right. Who is their basis for centre? I think they have this perspective that most western nations apply right wing thinking but I’m not sure everyone agrees with that.
I just did their test again and ended up basically dead centre economically. As a product of a neoliberal upbringing why would my values be in such contrast to their model for neoliberal parties? The test is shit.
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Enzedder wrote:
Brabus wrote:
Auckman wrote:I can't see National living with a NZF demand for the immigration portfolio and immigration to be at 15k a year. For the first time, he has made his anti-immigration stances a bottom line.
Winston and bottom lines :lol:
It won't matter. I reckon he's a goner.

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Here's hoping. The only thing you need to do to get Winnie to see past his bottom lie is to hang some nice shiny baubles beneath it
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Could end up in the situation where all the minor parties rely on getting and electorate seat as they all dip under 5%.

ACT get Epsom, NZF hope for Northland, and Kay leaving Auckland central gives Swarbrick a chance for the greens.

If ACT is the only one who gets in, does that mean labour are in by themselves as long as they beat National by more than what ACT get e.g. labour get 43% national 38% act 3%, labour get in, but if labour get 42, nats 40 and act 2.5, National would end up in?
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
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Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
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Kahu wrote:Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
Not under the current system. She could under STV. The left vote gets split.
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Kahu wrote:Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
Not under the current system. She could under STV. The left vote gets split.
Greens have a better chance in Nelson where they got 23% of the vote last election.
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Kahu wrote:Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
Not under the current system. She could under STV. The left vote gets split.
If thats the case greens could be well and truly in the crap, my main point was that all the minor parties are seemingly in a very precarious position, with only ACT definitely there post election.
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Monkey Magic wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Kahu wrote:Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
Not under the current system. She could under STV. The left vote gets split.
If thats the case greens could be well and truly in the crap, my main point was that all the minor parties are seemingly in a very precarious position, with only ACT definitely there post election.

Greens never feature in opinion polls but they get a lot of specials from overseas based voters. I think they ended up about 2.5% above their latest poll in 2017 (memory may be buggered but I know the specials costs the nats a seat)
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Enzedder wrote:
Monkey Magic wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Kahu wrote:Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
Not under the current system. She could under STV. The left vote gets split.
If thats the case greens could be well and truly in the crap, my main point was that all the minor parties are seemingly in a very precarious position, with only ACT definitely there post election.

Greens never feature in opinion polls but they get a lot of specials from overseas based voters. I think they ended up about 2.5% above their latest poll in 2017 (memory may be buggered but I know the specials costs the nats a seat)
Interestingly I think the last Colmar one had greens up about 2-3 compared with what they achieved and the reverse for nzf. Reid I think had it the other way around

Edit: found this - News Hub had nzf almost bang on and both over estimated national and the greens just prior to last election.

Can't copy the image but link is
https://www.researchassociation.org.nz/ ... al-polling
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That's right - it was all over the place, but they dropped a lot to Ardern in the last few weeks
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Monkey Magic wrote: If thats the case greens could be well and truly in the crap, my main point was that all the minor parties are seemingly in a very precarious position, with only ACT definitely there post election.
I wouldn't like to see STV but I would like the 5% threshold lowered
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Kahu wrote:
Monkey Magic wrote: If thats the case greens could be well and truly in the crap, my main point was that all the minor parties are seemingly in a very precarious position, with only ACT definitely there post election.
I wouldn't like to see STV but I would like the 5% threshold lowered
Your NZPP might be in with a shout if the threshold was dropped to 0.01%. :thumbup:
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Auckman wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
I’ve gotten home after playing in the game for the PRT. Great occasion, and a massive crowd there to support the game.

My first hit-up I was smashed by Rodney So’oialo.
My first tackle was on Thomas Waldrom.

My head only needed gluing, not stitches, so that’s good. Thanks Hutt Hospital A&E :thumbup:
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kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
I’ve gotten home after playing in the game for the PRT. Great occasion, and a massive crowd there to support the game.

My first hit-up I was smashed by Rodney So’oialo.
My first tackle was on Thomas Waldrom.

My head only needed gluing, not stitches, so that’s good. Thanks Hutt Hospital A&E :thumbup:
:o Good stuff fella. Yes it was a very big crowd for such a game.
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Auckman wrote:
kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
I’ve gotten home after playing in the game for the PRT. Great occasion, and a massive crowd there to support the game.

My first hit-up I was smashed by Rodney So’oialo.
My first tackle was on Thomas Waldrom.

My head only needed gluing, not stitches, so that’s good. Thanks Hutt Hospital A&E :thumbup:
:o Good stuff fella. Yes it was a very big crowd for such a game.
With the man himself!
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Great stuff kiweez. :smug: :thumbup:

Must say I was surprised when Bloomfield was named at openside flanker. With his physique I thought he'd be a fullback or winger.

How hard are the hits in a game like that?
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kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:
kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
I’ve gotten home after playing in the game for the PRT. Great occasion, and a massive crowd there to support the game.

My first hit-up I was smashed by Rodney So’oialo.
My first tackle was on Thomas Waldrom.

My head only needed gluing, not stitches, so that’s good. Thanks Hutt Hospital A&E :thumbup:
:o Good stuff fella. Yes it was a very big crowd for such a game.
With the man himself!
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That is awesome, and as Bloomfield said on the news, fantastic to take stock that we are in a bloody privileged position to be doing it.

More importantly did you buy him a beer?
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Onya guys.....nice pic. Keep up the good work Ash......and stay away from the politicians.
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Top stuff Kiweez. Legendary.
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Enzedder wrote:
Monkey Magic wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Kahu wrote:Swarbrick has no chance of winning her electorate :lol:
Not under the current system. She could under STV. The left vote gets split.
If thats the case greens could be well and truly in the crap, my main point was that all the minor parties are seemingly in a very precarious position, with only ACT definitely there post election.

Greens never feature in opinion polls but they get a lot of specials from overseas based voters. I think they ended up about 2.5% above their latest poll in 2017 (memory may be buggered but I know the specials costs the nats a seat)

True that, I think.
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The Greens usually poll higher than their results. A good chunk of those that say they will vote Green in a poll don't actually bother voting.

What you are thinking of is usually the Green's election day results improve once the special (overseas) votes are counted. Although I don't think they had much of an increase last time round.
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The greens are apparently spouting “tax is love”

Comms disaster.
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I see Jami Lee-Ross is teaming up with NZPP. The best political pairing since Hone & Kim Dotcom.
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BlueThunder wrote:The Greens usually poll higher than their results. A good chunk of those that say they will vote Green in a poll don't actually bother voting.

What you are thinking of is usually the Green's election day results improve once the special (overseas) votes are counted. Although I don't think they had much of an increase last time round.
Correct, the Greens will be very nervous if their past trend of worse Election Day results than polling suggested continues. Their survival could come down to winning a seat. A quick Google shows:
Over the seven elections they have contested, they have on average done 1.3% worse than the polls. By company it is:

Colmar Brunton 0.8%
Horizon 1.5%
Reid Research 2.3%
Roy Morgan 2.9%
And by year it is:

1999: 0.8%
2002: 1.7%
2005: 0.7%
2008: 1.7%
2011: 1.1%
2014: 1.9%
2017: 1.1%
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kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
I’ve gotten home after playing in the game for the PRT. Great occasion, and a massive crowd there to support the game.

My first hit-up I was smashed by Rodney So’oialo.
My first tackle was on Thomas Waldrom.

My head only needed gluing, not stitches, so that’s good. Thanks Hutt Hospital A&E :thumbup:
We should have a rugby game between posters on PR. Dark and Muttonbird get to get captain each side and play 'pick up' to select their players. Half the players won't listen to the captains on the field, as they have those two on ignore anyway.
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They’d both make good halfbacks
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:o Would Dark and Muttonbird finish arguing over who had won the toss for long enough for the game to start?

Would they take the field if named on the ‘wrong’ wing?
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kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:
kiweez wrote:
Auckman wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... o_explicit

Ashley Bloomfield playing openside flank for the Centurions against the parliamentary team. Ex-all blacks / SR players all over the field.
I’ve gotten home after playing in the game for the PRT. Great occasion, and a massive crowd there to support the game.

My first hit-up I was smashed by Rodney So’oialo.
My first tackle was on Thomas Waldrom.

My head only needed gluing, not stitches, so that’s good. Thanks Hutt Hospital A&E :thumbup:
:o Good stuff fella. Yes it was a very big crowd for such a game.
With the man himself!
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Good stuff mate. :thumbup:
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Gordon Bennett wrote:I see Jami Lee-Ross is teaming up with NZPP. The best political pairing since Hone & Kim Dotcom.

:lol: :lol:
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booji boy wrote:Great stuff kiweez. :smug: :thumbup:

Must say I was surprised when Bloomfield was named at openside flanker. With his physique I thought he'd be a fullback or winger.

How hard are the hits in a game like that?
I read somewhere he was a winger in the Scots College First XV
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kiweez wrote: With the man himself!
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Respect, m8!!
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NZ kicking butt :thumbup: Seems so weird to see a room of people with no masks. Texas is f**ked, it's riddled with the 'rona. I know NZ had geographical advantages but it's still a bloody impressive feat
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Let's not pat ourselves on the back too hard when we've done the equivalent of climbing the stairs and other countries are climbing Everest
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deadduck wrote:Let's not pat ourselves on the back too hard when we've done the equivalent of climbing the stairs and other countries are climbing Everest

Was thinking the same thing.

It only takes a couple of people to screw it and the comparing ourselves to other countries thing is beginning to get a bit of a pompous ego boost, needy thing.
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Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:Let's not pat ourselves on the back too hard when we've done the equivalent of climbing the stairs and other countries are climbing Everest

Was thinking the same thing.

It only takes a couple of people to screw it and the comparing ourselves to other countries thing is beginning to get a bit of a pompous ego boost, needy thing.
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