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JPNZ wrote:Good choice to put all resthomes into full level 4 lockdown from midday today. Protect the most vulnerable ASAP
Good job 👍🏼
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Good to hear that experience of the first session of Covid is guiding last nights decisions.

Elderly care locked down nation wide, testing and tracing increased, advising incidental and large work places likely to be affected, and public announcements back in vogue to keep public informed. Shame that Vodafone were upgrading their gear......received the message this morning...

Hearing also that infected people have been to school, and away out of district for the weekend, demonstrates how things can turn to crap so quickly.........keep safe everyone.
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It seems that the "Stay home if you're sick" request has been totally ignored. In fact I would say that 95% of us were totally blase about the whole thing.
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Makes me appreciate being an essential worker (home delivery for supermarket, day off today but heard it busy), like others thought had put all this behind.

Government kind of dropped the ball on this one but response to outbreak appropriate (based on procedures and protocols). Be interesting to see where it leaked in, how and what actual practical steps can be taken to further secure from it repeating.

Fingers crossed it a short stint stamping it out and more data/treatments and vaccine on way so can go back to proper normal (will eventually happen)...

Also looking forward to the polls following this all too
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Santa wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
Santa wrote:The estimated cost is $60-70m in lost business in Auckland.
Pales into insignificance when the government is spending $1.5 billion every week propping up the economy.
Not to those businesses.
Unequivocally to those businesses.
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jamesfreeman wrote:Makes me appreciate being an essential worker (home delivery for supermarket, day off today but heard it busy), like others thought had put all this behind.

Government kind of dropped the ball on this one but response to outbreak appropriate (based on procedures and protocols). Be interesting to see where it leaked in, how and what actual practical steps can be taken to further secure from it repeating.

Fingers crossed it a short stint stamping it out and more data/treatments and vaccine on way so can go back to proper normal (will eventually happen)...

Also looking forward to the polls following this all too
How so?
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It's the NewstalkZB agenda Ted. No evidence, just a sound byte but it's a loud one.
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Enzedder wrote:It's the NewstalkZB agenda Ted. No evidence, just a sound byte but it's a loud one.
Right you are.

There's some nasty, disingenuous pricks about, that's for sure.

Talking of which, I see Sneaker didn't read the article he quoted re the 60-70 mil cost of the lockdown, or is being a you know what. The economists they quoted said the economic cost would be worse if the lockdown was not enacted.
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Yeah I don't see where government has 100% liability in this either. Something was going to slip through at some stage, now it's up to us, all the people that have been doing fudge all for 100+ days to step up and do the part we are supposed be doing, and the only part we have control of.
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The partisanship is getting ugly pretty quickly. A pity.
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Ted. wrote:
Enzedder wrote:It's the NewstalkZB agenda Ted. No evidence, just a sound byte but it's a loud one.
Right you are.

There's some nasty, disingenuous pricks about, that's for sure.

Talking of which, I see Sneaker didn't read the article he quoted re the 60-70 mil cost of the lockdown, or is being a you know what. The economists they quoted said the economic cost would be worse if the lockdown was not enacted.
Sure as shit, I hope Sneaker isn't Santa

Sneaker's legacy gets a battering as it is, without imposing that level of opprobrium on him.
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shanky wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Enzedder wrote:It's the NewstalkZB agenda Ted. No evidence, just a sound byte but it's a loud one.
Right you are.

There's some nasty, disingenuous pricks about, that's for sure.

Talking of which, I see Sneaker didn't read the article he quoted re the 60-70 mil cost of the lockdown, or is being a you know what. The economists they quoted said the economic cost would be worse if the lockdown was not enacted.
Sure as shit, I hope Sneaker isn't Santa

Sneaker's legacy gets a battering as it is, without imposing that level of opprobrium on him.
Hmmm considers an IP check. Nah, cannot be bothered.
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:lol:
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Enzedder wrote:
shanky wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Enzedder wrote:It's the NewstalkZB agenda Ted. No evidence, just a sound byte but it's a loud one.
Right you are.

There's some nasty, disingenuous pricks about, that's for sure.

Talking of which, I see Sneaker didn't read the article he quoted re the 60-70 mil cost of the lockdown, or is being a you know what. The economists they quoted said the economic cost would be worse if the lockdown was not enacted.
Sure as shit, I hope Sneaker isn't Santa

Sneaker's legacy gets a battering as it is, without imposing that level of opprobrium on him.
Hmmm considers an IP check. Nah, cannot be bothered.
That would spoil the fun.
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It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).
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BlueThunder wrote:It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).
I assume you are talking about postponing the election.
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BlueThunder wrote:It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).

Why is it fascinating?

It is a ridiculous scenario if the levels get extended for more weeks.

I get you love Ardern getting the only media limelight up until the election and a load of voters not being able to vote, but it would be a tad biased.
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shanky wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Enzedder wrote:It's the NewstalkZB agenda Ted. No evidence, just a sound byte but it's a loud one.
Right you are.

There's some nasty, disingenuous pricks about, that's for sure.

Talking of which, I see Sneaker didn't read the article he quoted re the 60-70 mil cost of the lockdown, or is being a you know what. The economists they quoted said the economic cost would be worse if the lockdown was not enacted.
Sure as shit, I hope Sneaker isn't Santa

Sneaker's legacy gets a battering as it is, without imposing that level of opprobrium on him.
His attitude towards Jacinda fits, particularly when he tells her to go read some wanky high brow text of some sort.
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Why would it be a ridiculous scenario if the levels be extended a few more weeks?
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Dark wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).

Why is it fascinating?

It is a ridiculous scenario if the levels get extended for more weeks.

I get you love Ardern getting the only media limelight up until the election and a load of voters not being able to vote, but it would be a tad biased.
Because if the polls were reversed they wouldn't want her to govern for a minute longer.
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BlueThunder wrote:It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).
It makes sense though. National are unlikely to win at this point, but an extra couple of months for shit potentially to go wrong, that they can tar the government with, can very quickly change that. Similar to Trump wanting to delay the US one - except in his case, he would be hoping things start going right (e.g. a vaccine is approved, a drop in cases/deaths, an uptick in the economy).
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The Reserve Bank has expanded its Quantitative Easing programme to up to $100 billion to further lower retail interest rates. The Reserve Bank left the official cash rate unchanged at 0.25 in today's Monetary Policy Statement. But it has expanded the Quantitative Easing (QE) programme - sometimes dubbed "printing money" - from a previous limit of $60b.
One hundred billion dollars... let that sink in for a moment.
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These next 3 days are the most important for the election to be postponed or not. If further lockdowns are required, I am sure even the government would want to delay it by 2 months or so because they would also want a chance to campaign. Garner this morning wants it delayed until "next year"; I think that's a bit too far out. :lol:
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Garner shoots first then doesn’t hang around for questions.
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Auckman wrote:These next 3 days are the most important for the election to be postponed or not. If further lockdowns are required, I am sure even the government would want to delay it by 2 months or so because they would also want a chance to campaign. Garner this morning wants it delayed until "next year"; I think that's a bit too far out. :lol:
Jeez, countries with far more difficult circumstances manage to hold elections, yet the pitiable flakes in NZ want ours postponed at the drop of a hat. With postal voting, there's no need at all to delay the election.
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Why delay the election? Plenty of countries and states have held elections during COVID. Smacks of electioneering, despite campaigns being suspended.

This re-emergence does mean the polling situation could be a lot more volatile now though.
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Garner's a fairweather fvckwit though, thankfully most know this.
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Um slightly concerning....
A cool storage facility in Auckland will be tested for Covid-19, with the possibility that the virus could have travelled into New Zealand on refrigerated freight. Four cases of Covid-19 were discovered in South Auckland on Tuesday evening, ending a 102-day run of no community transmission. One of the people infected worked at a cool store company in Mount Wellington, reported to be Americold.

Health officials have not ruled out the virus, surviving in a refrigerated environment on freight being transported from abroad, may have then been contracted at the cool store. Dr Ashley Bloomfield on Wednesday said “environmental testing” of the storage facility would take place as well as looking for transmission between staff.

“We do know from studies overseas, that actually, the virus can survive in some refrigerated environments for quite some time,” he said.
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JPNZ wrote:Um slightly concerning....
A cool storage facility in Auckland will be tested for Covid-19, with the possibility that the virus could have travelled into New Zealand on refrigerated freight. Four cases of Covid-19 were discovered in South Auckland on Tuesday evening, ending a 102-day run of no community transmission. One of the people infected worked at a cool store company in Mount Wellington, reported to be Americold.

Health officials have not ruled out the virus, surviving in a refrigerated environment on freight being transported from abroad, may have then been contracted at the cool store. Dr Ashley Bloomfield on Wednesday said “environmental testing” of the storage facility would take place as well as looking for transmission between staff.

“We do know from studies overseas, that actually, the virus can survive in some refrigerated environments for quite some time,” he said.
Extremely concerning! :shock:
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Ted. wrote:
Auckman wrote:These next 3 days are the most important for the election to be postponed or not. If further lockdowns are required, I am sure even the government would want to delay it by 2 months or so because they would also want a chance to campaign. Garner this morning wants it delayed until "next year"; I think that's a bit too far out. :lol:
Jeez, countries with far more difficult circumstances manage to hold elections, yet the pitiable flakes in NZ want ours postponed at the drop of a hat. With postal voting, there's no need at all to delay the election.
Have those countries had lockdowns as comprehensive and restrictive as ours is at levels 3 and 4?
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BlueThunder wrote:
Dark wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).

Why is it fascinating?

It is a ridiculous scenario if the levels get extended for more weeks.

I get you love Ardern getting the only media limelight up until the election and a load of voters not being able to vote, but it would be a tad biased.
Because if the polls were reversed they wouldn't want her to govern for a minute longer.
The polls aren't reversed.

MPs can't even door knock. A lot of people won't be able to vote, and Labour with zero policy get to do a half hour long party political broadcast every day.

There is literally no ability for any other party to promote themselves while we are in lock down.

But I understand how this is ace for Jaciples
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I wonder if the polls could stay open for a week to spread the demand. Also, JuCo has come out against postal voting when that is a logical solution - anyone know why?
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Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid
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Enzedder wrote:I wonder if the polls could stay open for a week to spread the demand. Also, JuCo has come out against postal voting when that is a logical solution - anyone know why?

Probably because they won't get a chance to launch any campaign before a national election.

I get you think parties getting daily national pedestals, while the other parties get zilch heading into an election is great.

More open minded people don't
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brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
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Ted. wrote:
Auckman wrote:These next 3 days are the most important for the election to be postponed or not. If further lockdowns are required, I am sure even the government would want to delay it by 2 months or so because they would also want a chance to campaign. Garner this morning wants it delayed until "next year"; I think that's a bit too far out. :lol:
Jeez, countries with far more difficult circumstances manage to hold elections, yet the pitiable flakes in NZ want ours postponed at the drop of a hat. With postal voting, there's no need at all to delay the election.
I heard recently that only 63% of voters under some young age in Nz have even bothered to get on the role

Surely If Covid is around there will be even a lower turnout from the younger age groups, which would seem to effect labours numbers more than others
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Another Labour party political broadcast in a few minutes apparently
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Dark wrote:
brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
Really?..that’s ridiculous
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Probably out of date already, but the latest UMR poll:

Labour 52%
National 28%
Act 5.9%
Greens 5.4%
NZ First 5.1%
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Apparently "While it is for 3 days"

They are now requiring businesses to have a QR code for the tracing app at level 3, but giving them a weeks notice.

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