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brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
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Ted. wrote:
Auckman wrote:These next 3 days are the most important for the election to be postponed or not. If further lockdowns are required, I am sure even the government would want to delay it by 2 months or so because they would also want a chance to campaign. Garner this morning wants it delayed until "next year"; I think that's a bit too far out. :lol:
Jeez, countries with far more difficult circumstances manage to hold elections, yet the pitiable flakes in NZ want ours postponed at the drop of a hat. With postal voting, there's no need at all to delay the election.
I heard recently that only 63% of voters under some young age in Nz have even bothered to get on the role

Surely If Covid is around there will be even a lower turnout from the younger age groups, which would seem to effect labours numbers more than others
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Another Labour party political broadcast in a few minutes apparently
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Dark wrote:
brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
Really?..that’s ridiculous
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Probably out of date already, but the latest UMR poll:

Labour 52%
National 28%
Act 5.9%
Greens 5.4%
NZ First 5.1%
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Apparently "While it is for 3 days"

They are now requiring businesses to have a QR code for the tracing app at level 3, but giving them a weeks notice.

:?
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brat wrote:
Dark wrote:
brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
Really?..that’s ridiculous
There is only so many times you can shove something up a healthy person's nose before they lose their shit.

They were being tested but not as often as those that worked around the confirmed covid positive travellers.
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BlueThunder wrote:
brat wrote:
Dark wrote:
brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
Really?..that’s ridiculous
There is only so many times you can shove something up a healthy person's nose before they lose their shit.

They were being tested but not as often as those that worked around the confirmed covid positive travellers.
Thought the protocol was 3,7,14 days?..not a huge inconvenience in the scheme of things
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Gordon Bennett wrote:Probably out of date already, but the latest UMR poll:

Labour 52%
National 28%
Act 5.9%
Greens 5.4%
NZ First 5.1%
Interesting..on the surface that looks like an outlier poll with nzf on 5.1
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Dark wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:
Dark wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:It's fascinating the National party and the right wing talkback crazies are all coming out and accidentally demanding that Ardern continue as Prime Minister indefinitely (until things "settle down" which could be never).

Why is it fascinating?

It is a ridiculous scenario if the levels get extended for more weeks.

I get you love Ardern getting the only media limelight up until the election and a load of voters not being able to vote, but it would be a tad biased.
Because if the polls were reversed they wouldn't want her to govern for a minute longer.
The polls aren't reversed.

MPs can't even door knock. A lot of people won't be able to vote, and Labour with zero policy get to do a half hour long party political broadcast every day.

There is literally no ability for any other party to promote themselves while we are in lock down.

But I understand how this is ace for Jaciples

Unless they do an amazing job of containing this outbreak things could be far worse by November. There is never going to be an ideal time to hold the election.

The spotlight can be beneficial but only if you're doing a good job, if things go badly the last place Arden would want to be is on TV being scrutinised daily.

Maybe MOH officials could hold the announcements and Jacinda take media questions behind closed doors.

At any rate challenging circumstances require innovative solutions, electioneering during lockdown could be a good indication of how parties deal with challenging and unprecedented circumstances.
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brat wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:
brat wrote:
Dark wrote:
brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
Really?..that’s ridiculous
There is only so many times you can shove something up a healthy person's nose before they lose their shit.

They were being tested but not as often as those that worked around the confirmed covid positive travellers.
Thought the protocol was 3,7,14 days?..not a huge inconvenience in the scheme of things
That's the new arrivals that are in quarantine not the border workers.
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brat wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:Probably out of date already, but the latest UMR poll:

Labour 52%
National 28%
Act 5.9%
Greens 5.4%
NZ First 5.1%
Interesting..on the surface that looks like an outlier poll with nzf on 5.1
Looking at the track record of UMR, they tend to have NZF polling higher. Only one of their polls has NZF below 5% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... uria_polls)

And it is Labour's internal polling. But, Labour's % has been pretty stable in both Labour and National's internal polling in recent times - the volatility has been in the other parties.

This poll also leaves 3.6% unallocated (presumbly Maori, TOP and New Conservative with some undecided)
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Our local Labour MP arranged a public meeting via Zoom (nothing upsets yuppies and the "haves" more than having a HNZ development in their neighborhood). 700 families logged in so surely electioneering can be done online with open meetings.

With regard to postal voting - does ANYONE have a reasonable reason why this can't be arranged if things go a little bit sour.?
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Booji boy..yes I know

I was assuming they would have a similar protocol for workers but the only vague info I can find is that they are testing workers based on being symptomatic, but not sure if that’s accurate
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I don't really see the point in electioneering anyway. I reckon 90% of people already have their minds set on who they will vote for. No hardcore voter/supporter of a party is going to do a 180 and vote for the opposition.

All they should do is announce policy.
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Enzedder wrote:Our local Labour MP arranged a public meeting via Zoom (nothing upsets yuppies and the "haves" more than having a HNZ development in their neighborhood). 700 families logged in so surely electioneering can be done online with open meetings.

With regard to postal voting - does ANYONE have a reasonable reason why this can't be arranged if things go a little bit sour.?
Yes

Did you see the results of the Labour run Census?
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Enzedder wrote:Our local Labour MP arranged a public meeting via Zoom (nothing upsets yuppies and the "haves" more than having a HNZ development in their neighborhood). 700 families logged in so surely electioneering can be done online with open meetings.

With regard to postal voting - does ANYONE have a reasonable reason why this can't be arranged if things go a little bit sour.?
Zoom meetings by definition restrict access to those with internet. Running an election like that would be undemocratic because you are deliberately excluding people.

That is the heart of the issue. Democratic elections should be free and fair. If there is a national or local lockdown that continues through the campaign period then that has the potential to disadvantage some candidates and parties. In this case it would be unethical to continue with the election as that would no doubt advantage the incumbents.


I opposed delaying the election in the past when we first went into lockdown, but that was March. Now we are just weeks away. If Auckland is still at level 3 within 4 weeks of the election, it really should be pushed back.
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BlueThunder wrote:
Dark wrote:
The polls aren't reversed.

MPs can't even door knock. A lot of people won't be able to vote, and Labour with zero policy get to do a half hour long party political broadcast every day.

There is literally no ability for any other party to promote themselves while we are in lock down.

But I understand how this is ace for Jaciples

Unless they do an amazing job of containing this outbreak things could be far worse by November. There is never going to be an ideal time to hold the election.

The spotlight can be beneficial but only if you're doing a good job, if things go badly the last place Arden would want to be is on TV being scrutinised daily.

Maybe MOE officials could hold the announcements and Jacinda take media questions behind closed doors.

At any rate challenging circumstances require innovative solutions, electioneering during lockdown could be a good indication of how parties deal with challenging and unprecedented circumstances.
Shouldn't the kid who wrote this be at school?
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Dark wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Our local Labour MP arranged a public meeting via Zoom (nothing upsets yuppies and the "haves" more than having a HNZ development in their neighborhood). 700 families logged in so surely electioneering can be done online with open meetings.

With regard to postal voting - does ANYONE have a reasonable reason why this can't be arranged if things go a little bit sour.?
Yes

Did you see the results of the Labour run Census?
So, a census run in March 2018 that didn't go well is the fault of the government who'd been in power a whole 6 months by then. You know, it takes a bit more than 6 months to organise a census. The decision to go fully digital was made pre-September 2017. That's without going into why Stats NZ underspent their own budget for the Census.
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brat wrote:Booji boy..yes I know

I was assuming they would have a similar protocol for workers but the only vague info I can find is that they are testing workers based on being symptomatic, but not sure if that’s accurate
This is from last week. It is saying that workers could get tested if they chose and that the Minister was open to the idea of regular testing, but based on this (if accurate) there was no testing regime in place.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... -ministers
Experts who have been modelling the spread of the virus have warned the Government that, like in Victoria, the most likely scenario of the virus spreading into the community was through staff from the facilities.

Minister Megan Woods on Friday confirmed she's open to the idea of testing all staff at the facilities weekly.
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Dark wrote:
Enzedder wrote:I wonder if the polls could stay open for a week to spread the demand. Also, JuCo has come out against postal voting when that is a logical solution - anyone know why?

Probably because they won't get a chance to launch any campaign before a national election.

I get you think parties getting daily national pedestals, while the other parties get zilch heading into an election is great.

More open minded people don't
Look at this open minded guy. Truly a beacon of truth in these dark times.

:lol:
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The idea that an election can’t be held because parties can’t get involved in electioneering deserves scrutiny.

They can manage without door knocking. They can present policies to the public through agreement with national media. Publish your policies, provide a vehicle for questions and present your case.

Like a shitload of other issues thrown up to oppose policy related to managing the pandemic, the ‘normal’ or ‘usual’ way of doing things isn’t possible. Denying that is idiotic. Finding alternatives isn’t just a talking point, it’s essential.
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Gordon Bennett wrote:
Dark wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Our local Labour MP arranged a public meeting via Zoom (nothing upsets yuppies and the "haves" more than having a HNZ development in their neighborhood). 700 families logged in so surely electioneering can be done online with open meetings.

With regard to postal voting - does ANYONE have a reasonable reason why this can't be arranged if things go a little bit sour.?
Yes

Did you see the results of the Labour run Census?
So, a census run in March 2018 that didn't go well is the fault of the government who'd been in power a whole 6 months by then. You know, it takes a bit more than 6 months to organise a census. The decision to go fully digital was made pre-September 2017. That's without going into why Stats NZ underspent their own budget for the Census.

Strange that Dork doesn't want it. I would have thought it would be better for the Nats than the Coalition. If my council can do it with no hassles, I am certain the electoral commission can do it for the country
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guy smiley wrote:The idea that an election can’t be held because parties can’t get involved in electioneering deserves scrutiny.

They can manage without door knocking. They can present policies to the public through agreement with national media. Publish your policies, provide a vehicle for questions and present your case.

Like a shitload of other issues thrown up to oppose policy related to managing the pandemic, the ‘normal’ or ‘usual’ way of doing things isn’t possible. Denying that is idiotic. Finding alternatives isn’t just a talking point, it’s essential.

Hear hear - and if a party cannot adjust to do that, do they deserve to be within a country mile of Parliament anyway
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Gordon Bennett wrote:
Dark wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Our local Labour MP arranged a public meeting via Zoom (nothing upsets yuppies and the "haves" more than having a HNZ development in their neighborhood). 700 families logged in so surely electioneering can be done online with open meetings.

With regard to postal voting - does ANYONE have a reasonable reason why this can't be arranged if things go a little bit sour.?
Yes

Did you see the results of the Labour run Census?
So, a census run in March 2018 that didn't go well is the fault of the government who'd been in power a whole 6 months by then. You know, it takes a bit more than 6 months to organise a census. The decision to go fully digital was made pre-September 2017. That's without going into why Stats NZ underspent their own budget for the Census.
Yeah but no but yeah but
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guy smiley wrote:The idea that an election can’t be held because parties can’t get involved in electioneering deserves scrutiny.

They can manage without door knocking. They can present policies to the public through agreement with national media. Publish your policies, provide a vehicle for questions and present your case.

Like a shitload of other issues thrown up to oppose policy related to managing the pandemic, the ‘normal’ or ‘usual’ way of doing things isn’t possible. Denying that is idiotic. Finding alternatives isn’t just a talking point, it’s essential.

We already have enough problems in NZ with the mainstream media denying a platform to minor parties not to mention parties not currently in Parliament. How do you think it will go any better for individual electoral candidates?


No MP or party has an automatic entitlement to be in parliament for the next term. The results of the 2017 election count for precisely zero in 2020.
That's why it's vital for a healthy democracy that every single person and party running for parliament this election can do so without interference or inhibition from the current government, it makes no difference whether they are Labour, National or Advance NZ
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deadduck wrote:
guy smiley wrote:The idea that an election can’t be held because parties can’t get involved in electioneering deserves scrutiny.

They can manage without door knocking. They can present policies to the public through agreement with national media. Publish your policies, provide a vehicle for questions and present your case.

Like a shitload of other issues thrown up to oppose policy related to managing the pandemic, the ‘normal’ or ‘usual’ way of doing things isn’t possible. Denying that is idiotic. Finding alternatives isn’t just a talking point, it’s essential.

We already have enough problems in NZ with the mainstream media denying a platform to minor parties not to mention parties not currently in Parliament. How do you think it will go any better for individual electoral candidates?


No MP or party has an automatic entitlement to be in parliament for the next term. The results of the 2017 election count for precisely zero in 2020.
That's why it's vital for a healthy democracy that every single person and party running for parliament this election can do so without interference or inhibition from the current government, it makes no difference whether they are Labour, National or Advance NZ
Sure. It just can’t be done. No way.

Impossible.

Absolutely zero chance.

There is no way the motorcar will ever take over from the horse and buggy, either.




Here’s an idea DD. Exercise special powers and enforce media obligation to provide a fair and equitable platform for all parties. A central party manifesto presented to the nation by the nation’s media, along with a scaled down version for local candidates and parties.
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Can you imagine the scene these chumps would be making if Labour were proposing to delay the election.
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So what happens if they delay it and there is another outbreak or we haven't quashed this one? I'm all for Labour to govern indefinitely but was hoping they could ditch Winston.
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Strong rumours flying about re new cases in the tron and Christchurch. If so (and the source is said to be reliable but this is about 4th hand), then surely this is level 4.
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Enzedder wrote:Strong rumours flying about re new cases in the tron and Christchurch. If so (and the source is said to be reliable but this is about 4th hand), then surely this is level 4.
Mate. “4th hand” doesn’t make for a “strong” rumour....
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My community here Glen Eden throws up a case too. Makes sense to give everyone a bit of room when you're out and be out for necessities only for a while.
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kiweez wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Strong rumours flying about re new cases in the tron and Christchurch. If so (and the source is said to be reliable but this is about 4th hand), then surely this is level 4.
Mate. “4th hand” doesn’t make for a “strong” rumour....
Yeah, I got that. Source is DHB and would know though. I am not spraying it much and then with the rider I put on it here.
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Enzedder wrote:
kiweez wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Strong rumours flying about re new cases in the tron and Christchurch. If so (and the source is said to be reliable but this is about 4th hand), then surely this is level 4.
Mate. “4th hand” doesn’t make for a “strong” rumour....
Yeah, I got that. Source is DHB and would know though. I am not spraying it much and then with the rider I put on it here.
Cases outside of isolation facilities?
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Evidently. We are going to plan for it with the thoughts that it is easy to carry on with the status quo if the rumour is false.
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BlueThunder wrote:
brat wrote:
Dark wrote:
brat wrote:Does anyone know what quarantine measures are taken for airport workers, or anyone that has contact with the arrivals at the border?

I know they get tested regularly and there will be an appropriate roster system, but I’m assuming they aren’t quarantined and go back to their respective homes/families etc after work?

If they aren’t quarantined surely this would be an obvious vector for Covid

They weren't being tested regularly
Really?..that’s ridiculous
There is only so many times you can shove something up a healthy person's nose before they lose their shit.

They were being tested but not as often as those that worked around the confirmed covid positive travellers.
I got tested today, it ain’t pleasant at all. I seem to remember there was also an issue over whether they could legally make people take tests. I think they are walking a fine line.
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You’re leaping at shadows here...

Like health workers, immigration will rely on PPE for task and test where needed.
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3 sources now (latest one straight from DHB here) - bank on it. Level 4 here we come
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Enzedder wrote:3 sources now (latest one straight from DHB here) - bank on it. Level 4 here we come
No chance of level 3 for few weeks?
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Kiwias wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:
Dark wrote:
The polls aren't reversed.

MPs can't even door knock. A lot of people won't be able to vote, and Labour with zero policy get to do a half hour long party political broadcast every day.

There is literally no ability for any other party to promote themselves while we are in lock down.

But I understand how this is ace for Jaciples

Unless they do an amazing job of containing this outbreak things could be far worse by November. There is never going to be an ideal time to hold the election.

The spotlight can be beneficial but only if you're doing a good job, if things go badly the last place Arden would want to be is on TV being scrutinised daily.

Maybe MOE officials could hold the announcements and Jacinda take media questions behind closed doors.

At any rate challenging circumstances require innovative solutions, electioneering during lockdown could be a good indication of how parties deal with challenging and unprecedented circumstances.
Shouldn't the kid who wrote this be at school?
Good point. I think Japostles sounds better
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