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Fat Old Git wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
That did make me chuckle. Also she missed an opportunity to have a nice chart on display.
You can't do that.
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Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
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Fat Old Git wrote:
Demilich wrote:The more party-tribalism bollocks I see in the lead-up to the election, the more inclined I am to "waste" my vote on the TOP party. Doesn't appear to be any other options that will take a pragmatic approach to policy, as opposed to just vote "buying" measures. Really do appear to be on a path towards a genuine Idiocracy in the future.

As for my local MP - there really needs to be an option to vote against a single candidate, rather than for one - "anyone but Shane Jones" will do for me. :lol:
As someone firmly in the anyone but Gerry Brownlee camp I endorse the introduction of this option.
The Australian STV method effectively allows this by allowing you to give alternative preferences if your favoured candidate drops out of the running during the tally-up. Makes for a much more complicated electorate count, but you can effectively vote for anyone but.
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An impressive display from The PM and AB this afternoon.
People do need a bit of perspective. I’m encouraged with the firm, fact driven responses.
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JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing
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booji boy wrote:
brat wrote:
booji boy wrote:Just following the social media trends I saw a lot of natural National supporters return to the fold when Muller took over. Bridges had literally driven away some of the dyed in the wool, true blue voters. He was that bad. Whilst everyone was disappointed in Mullers dismally short reign I think those same voters are still much happier with Collins than Bridges.

Meanwhile I'm seeing more swinging voters who are becoming disillusioned with this Govts constant bungling of the border controls and the complete lack of accountability for all the failings.

I think the vote on 17 October might be closer than it was once looking. Still a comfortable win for Labour but perhaps not the bloodbath it was once shaping up to be.
Yes I think election night will be a bit closer with national ending up in the mid, possibly late 30s

I think ACT will end up with a few disgruntled Nat supporters and get over the 5% threshold, nzf gone

Based on nationals pre Covid figures there are obviously a lot of Nat swing voters- bridge can’t have been that bad at that point because they were polling about 44%
Hmm ... good point. 🤔
This article sort of articulates what you are both saying. It concludes that it will probably be closer, but no cigar.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... nce-voters
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Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.
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Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
There's a much more in-depth take on it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... wedens-way
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Flockwitt wrote:Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.
Yes, and I have the suspicion that porkies are not limited to this particular instance.
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Demilich wrote:The more party-tribalism bollocks I see in the lead-up to the election, the more inclined I am to "waste" my vote on the TOP party. Doesn't appear to be any other options that will take a pragmatic approach to policy, as opposed to just vote "buying" measures. Really do appear to be on a path towards a genuine Idiocracy in the future.

As for my local MP - there really needs to be an option to vote against a single candidate, rather than for one - "anyone but Shane Jones" will do for me. :lol:
Crazy thing is that if TOP got an Epsom deal, I think they would then end up over the 5% anyway.

There's a large number of voters who are in the same boat as you, others who really like their policies. But won't give them the tick as they see it as a waste
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
That did make me chuckle. Also she missed an opportunity to have a nice chart on display.
You can't do that.
:lol:
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Flockwitt wrote:Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.
Surely genomic sequencing tests would've shown up anyone telling porkies by now? There would've been a clear match made like that contractor at the Rydges Hotel and the US returnee.
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

A sensible point of view.
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Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
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deadduck wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
I mean, he specifically says "Don't listen to me, listen to the experts".
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deadduck wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
From the man in charge of the response, Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency,
Asked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell told Swedish radio "yes, absolutely."
Then he said this
"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"
I think that the point is that in the early days, no-one knew precisely what they know about it now.

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/0 ... ne-deeper/
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Watching the PM and AB giving their update today drives home how poorly the government here is doing in informing the public at large about the state of affairs and what the government is doing to prevent any further spread of covid-19.

Whether you like Ardern or not, it is hard to deny that she is doing a very impressive job.
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Kiwias wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
From the man in charge of the response, Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency,
Asked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell told Swedish radio "yes, absolutely."
Then he said this
"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"
I think that the point is that in the early days, no-one knew precisely what they know about it now.

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/0 ... ne-deeper/
I'll give this another go here. :roll:

Ted. wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
There's a much more in-depth take on it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... wedens-way
There's charts and graphs and information from Sweden and everything. But let's keep banging on about straw man Mulligan.
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deadduck wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
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Dark wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing
You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
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UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing
You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
No I wouldn't
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UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing
You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
It seems that any response to the Orange Buffoon's comments mean that Ardern has been triggered, rather than just her clarifying the situation in the two countries. Whatever.
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Wasn’t she responding to a question?
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Wilderbeast wrote:Wasn’t she responding to a question?
I can’t remember. I thought good on her for making the point though. She didn’t name any names or talk about clearing up erroneous statements, she just factually compared the two countries.
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The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
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deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.
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Enzedder wrote:
deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.
Would love to hear from Tegnell. Particularly about his idea children should be used to spread the virus as quickly as possible.
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UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing
You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
Darks doing a good job of coming across as the yin to the wacky yang he’s so hung up on.
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Muttonbirds wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.
Would love to hear from Tegnell. Particularly about his idea children should be used to spread the virus as quickly as possible.

Given the hash job the govt has made of the isolation centers we don't need to.

Is H2 and the sir dude the 3rd or 4th ones to be thrown in charge now?

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I was worried about how things may go when community transmission appeared but seeing Muttonbirds back gives me confidence that we have recovered the situation, however the virus reappeared.
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MB has slid back in on his belly after a lengthy absence that suspiciously coincided with the NZ Covid outbreak.

After relentlessly trolling Australia’s second wave and suggesting responsibility be placed squarely at the PMs Feet I wonder if he will be as critical of his own government?
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Harveys wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
JB1981 wrote::lol: :lol: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing
You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
Darks doing a good job of coming across as the yin to the wacky yang he’s so hung up on.
My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.
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Muttonbirds wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
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Ahh fuck you’re back, pity it was rather pleasant for a week or so
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JB1981 wrote:I was worried about how things may go when community transmission appeared but seeing Muttonbirds back gives me confidence that we have recovered the situation, however the virus reappeared.
I as an Auckland based poster am heavily affected by the outbreak. It has ruined my work just when we had a bit of momentum. I'm worried for myself and my family. It's taken be a while to recover, sorry.
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No need to apologise, the impact to some extent has been felt nationwide.
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There was that rough patch with Dark and Eug I would like to say going back and forth but became a lot more round and round.

Ooh you said something I disagree
Well yeah
What was your job
I'm not telling
Go on what's your job
Um really not your business
Go on telllllll us
No
Etc etc

Seriously like 3 pages of this
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Dark wrote:My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.
It looked more like you were suggesting trumps retarded comments had somehow “triggered” your PMs rightful response. No?
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Harveys wrote:
Dark wrote:My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.
It looked more like you were suggesting trumps retarded comments had somehow “triggered” your PMs rightful response. No?

Probably designed for CNN coverage. Then, when Trump loses he can complain that NZ interfered with their election
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jambanja wrote:
Muttonbirds wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
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Whilst this thread may have been worse if Muttonbird had also been posting, the last week and the lobotomised 'debate' between Dark and Eugenius has perhaps been this thread's nadir.

Suggesting this thread was 'pleasant' during this period is one of the most egregious bits of spin doctoring i've ever encountered.
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