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Much of our economic growth under Keys rockstar economy was driven by record numbers of immigration.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:06 am
Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:57 am Two or more.
How many people actually meet this criteria?

What about double degrees do they count as two?

What about if someone has two but they're law and accounting? That can't be a good thing.
Exactly, a LLB/BCom would be an example of having too few arts degrees. People need balance and some mental popcorn.
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Tehui wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:51 am
Mr Mike wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:11 pm
Tehui wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:13 am I'm not going to say what I voted for in the referendum. But I will admit that philosophically, I am 'pro-choice'.
I’d be inclined to support it also, but after reading this article I’m now asking myself whether that’s because all legislation in New Zealand is designed by middle class Pākehā for the benefit of middle class Pākehā. An interesting perspective.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/30013 ... nt-of-mori
It's never a simple issue at all when it becomes collective versus individual responsibility. I came across a similar issue with 'supported decision making' when I worked in the disability sector.
I imagine it can’t be easy and the article was a good challenge. I’ve lived in a mix of societies along the spectrum of individual and collective rights and it was especially confronting when you saw how differently end of life decisions can be managed.

"The Farewell," is a light illustration of how that may be handled within a Chinese family structure and brought back to me my shock when I first encountered families hiding a terminal diagnosis from the person themselves and the medical team going along with it.
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Kiwias wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:18 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:43 am 'PM in waiting' wrestles with a supporter over a MAGA sign.

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Car crash politics. :lol:
Love the expressions on the three dudes at the back. Who are they?
Younger bald guy with the dark moustache looks like DPS...
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Having listened to a large number of interviews and speeches over the last month, I can say that there was only 2 people who impressed me.

One was Seymour but I could never agree to his policies (but he can sell them well).

The one guy I would cross the floor for if selected would be Shane Reti. I think integrity is his middle name
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You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

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C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

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A pay increase ?

As incompetency bonus ?

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C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

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Is it more than the 10% jump NZ politicians are scheduled get on 7 January?
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C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

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So a lot over seas people say.

They don't have to live her as their leader, and just see the PR fluff on TV.
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Eugenius wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:20 am Much of our economic growth under Keys rockstar economy was driven by record numbers of immigration.
The clarification I was seeking was that in one breath she was saying that we mustn't rely on immigration followed immediately but saying the exact opposite, which had me confused, so I was wondering, which one is it
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Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:03 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

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Is it more than the 10% jump NZ politicians are scheduled get on 7 January?
Did they ever end up taking that 20% pay cut?
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Eugenius wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:20 am Much of our economic growth under Keys rockstar economy was driven by record numbers of immigration.
That is not wrong, but before Covid hit, she was hardly tending down.

Labour promised to slash it by 30 to 40 thousand and Winston (from memory) to only 15 - 20 thousand total.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/migration

So basically your point is a good one, but Labour did the same thing.
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jambanja wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:06 am
Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:03 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

Respect
Is it more than the 10% jump NZ politicians are scheduled get on 7 January?
Did they ever end up taking that 20% pay cut?

Covid 19 coronavirus: MPs' pay cuts finally in effect after Jacinda Ardern promised them three months ago

MPs this week finally experienced the Covid-19 pay cut that the Prime Minister promised they would be taking in an act of solidarity more than three months ago.

The pay cut – 10 per cent for MPs and 20 per cent for ministers – officially took effect on July 9.

That's almost three months after Jacinda Ardern announced the six-month salary reduction would be coming into force.

And some politicians are already grumbling.

In a now-deleted Facebook post, Labour's Ōhāriu MP Greg O'Connor complained that his car was going to the mechanic on the same week of his 10 per cent pay cut.

The pay cut policy – which Ardern said was designed to "show leadership" – would save the Government $2.4 million.

Non-ministerial MPs, who were not party leaders or committee chairs, would take 10 per cent pay reductions – seeing their pay drop to the equivalent of $147,565 a year.

Ministers took a 20 per cent pay cut – going from the equivalent of $296,007 a year to $236,806.

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters saw his pay shrink from the equivalent of $334,734 a year to $267,788 and Ardern's pay drops from $471,049 a year to $376,840 for six months.

According to Statistics New Zealand, the median income in this country is $52,000 a year.

Act leader Davis Seymour, who wanted all MPs to take a 20 per cent pay cut, has been donating 10 per cent more of his pay to a local charity.
TBF O'Connor is now only on 234,806, so must be hard to pay for your car getting a warrant.
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:23 am TBF O'Connor is now only on 234,806, so must be hard to pay for your car getting a warrant.
Man that car must've been fkd if he couldn't afford a warrant for it on that salary!
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Eugenius wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:20 am Much of our economic growth under Keys rockstar economy was driven by record numbers of immigration.
Immigration has only increased but the economy not so much
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:23 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:06 am
Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:03 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

Respect
Is it more than the 10% jump NZ politicians are scheduled get on 7 January?
Did they ever end up taking that 20% pay cut?

Covid 19 coronavirus: MPs' pay cuts finally in effect after Jacinda Ardern promised them three months ago

MPs this week finally experienced the Covid-19 pay cut that the Prime Minister promised they would be taking in an act of solidarity more than three months ago.

The pay cut – 10 per cent for MPs and 20 per cent for ministers – officially took effect on July 9.

That's almost three months after Jacinda Ardern announced the six-month salary reduction would be coming into force.

And some politicians are already grumbling.

In a now-deleted Facebook post, Labour's Ōhāriu MP Greg O'Connor complained that his car was going to the mechanic on the same week of his 10 per cent pay cut.

The pay cut policy – which Ardern said was designed to "show leadership" – would save the Government $2.4 million.

Non-ministerial MPs, who were not party leaders or committee chairs, would take 10 per cent pay reductions – seeing their pay drop to the equivalent of $147,565 a year.

Ministers took a 20 per cent pay cut – going from the equivalent of $296,007 a year to $236,806.

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters saw his pay shrink from the equivalent of $334,734 a year to $267,788 and Ardern's pay drops from $471,049 a year to $376,840 for six months.

According to Statistics New Zealand, the median income in this country is $52,000 a year.

Act leader Davis Seymour, who wanted all MPs to take a 20 per cent pay cut, has been donating 10 per cent more of his pay to a local charity.
TBF O'Connor is now only on 234,806, so must be hard to pay for your car getting a warrant.
Greg O'Connor isn't a Minister. Why would he be on $234,806 and not the non-ministerial MP equivalent of $147,565. Are you confusing Greg O'Connor with Damien O'Connor?
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Reduced immigration! I bet he means Afrikaners...

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Apartheid survivor.


Wow.
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guy smiley wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:34 am Apartheid survivor.


Wow.
Must have been hard for him.
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Gordon Bennett wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:08 am
Dark wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:23 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:06 am
Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:03 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

Respect
Is it more than the 10% jump NZ politicians are scheduled get on 7 January?
Did they ever end up taking that 20% pay cut?

Covid 19 coronavirus: MPs' pay cuts finally in effect after Jacinda Ardern promised them three months ago

MPs this week finally experienced the Covid-19 pay cut that the Prime Minister promised they would be taking in an act of solidarity more than three months ago.

The pay cut – 10 per cent for MPs and 20 per cent for ministers – officially took effect on July 9.

That's almost three months after Jacinda Ardern announced the six-month salary reduction would be coming into force.

And some politicians are already grumbling.

In a now-deleted Facebook post, Labour's Ōhāriu MP Greg O'Connor complained that his car was going to the mechanic on the same week of his 10 per cent pay cut.

The pay cut policy – which Ardern said was designed to "show leadership" – would save the Government $2.4 million.

Non-ministerial MPs, who were not party leaders or committee chairs, would take 10 per cent pay reductions – seeing their pay drop to the equivalent of $147,565 a year.

Ministers took a 20 per cent pay cut – going from the equivalent of $296,007 a year to $236,806.

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters saw his pay shrink from the equivalent of $334,734 a year to $267,788 and Ardern's pay drops from $471,049 a year to $376,840 for six months.

According to Statistics New Zealand, the median income in this country is $52,000 a year.

Act leader Davis Seymour, who wanted all MPs to take a 20 per cent pay cut, has been donating 10 per cent more of his pay to a local charity.
TBF O'Connor is now only on 234,806, so must be hard to pay for your car getting a warrant.
Greg O'Connor isn't a Minister. Why would he be on $234,806 and not the non-ministerial MP equivalent of $147,565. Are you confusing Greg O'Connor with Damien O'Connor?
My apologies.

You are right. He is living in poverty on $147,565
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Tehui wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:34 am Apartheid survivor.


Wow.
Must have been hard for him.
The New Crackpot Party takes only the hardest...
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usermame wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:08 am Reduced immigration! I bet he means Afrikaners...

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Surely that's a photoshop?
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Tehui wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:34 am Apartheid survivor.


Wow.
Must have been hard for him.
He’s recovered well. Must be the relaxed, open hearted vibe of NZ. Best stamp that out straight away.
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Tehui wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:34 am Apartheid survivor.


Wow.
Must have been hard for him.
:lol:

Liked the banning 1080 and stopping abortion bits as well.
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:04 pm Having listened to a large number of interviews and speeches over the last month, I can say that there was only 2 people who impressed me.

One was Seymour but I could never agree to his policies (but he can sell them well).

The one guy I would cross the floor for if selected would be Shane Reti. I think integrity is his middle name
Agree

Reti especially is well spoken- would like to see him looking at leadership (intelligent articulate/no baggage) -but it may not be his thing
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:02 am
Tehui wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:40 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:34 am Apartheid survivor.


Wow.
Must have been hard for him.
:lol:

Liked the banning 1080 and stopping abortion bits as well.
And also keen on stopping immigration.
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jambanja wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:06 am
Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:03 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm You guys are so lucky to have a leader like Jacinda compared to our twat like Boris.
Our MPs are going to get a massive pay rise in stark contrast to the stance in NZ.

Respect
Is it more than the 10% jump NZ politicians are scheduled get on 7 January?
Did they ever end up taking that 20% pay cut?
Yes, the details are on the Remuneration Authority site. They were temporary and expire on 6 January...
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brat wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:09 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:04 pm Having listened to a large number of interviews and speeches over the last month, I can say that there was only 2 people who impressed me.

One was Seymour but I could never agree to his policies (but he can sell them well).

The one guy I would cross the floor for if selected would be Shane Reti. I think integrity is his middle name
Agree

Reti especially is well spoken- would like to see him looking at leadership (intelligent articulate/no baggage) -but it may not be his thing
This is one of the things that annoy me about us, (but maybe everywhere) Politicians from different sides refuse to work together, even if it is about things like health or child abuse etc.

I get whoever is currently in charge want to be seen to be the ones sorting it, but there are assets on both sides being wasted because of egos.
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:14 am
brat wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:09 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:04 pm Having listened to a large number of interviews and speeches over the last month, I can say that there was only 2 people who impressed me.

One was Seymour but I could never agree to his policies (but he can sell them well).

The one guy I would cross the floor for if selected would be Shane Reti. I think integrity is his middle name
Agree

Reti especially is well spoken- would like to see him looking at leadership (intelligent articulate/no baggage) -but it may not be his thing
This is one of the things that annoy me about us, (but maybe everywhere) Politicians from different sides refuse to work together, even if it is about things like health or child abuse etc.

I get whoever is currently in charge want to be seen to be the ones sorting it, but there are assets on both sides being wasted because of egos.
Even more frustrating given the lack of depth in all the parties. We need to be making the most of everyone's skills to fix these major issues. But it doesn't happen enough because 'other side bad'
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IMO the lack of talent and cooperation is not as important as you think. Most of the major economic policy decisions for the next 2 decades are going to be directed by Treasury. They will then assign a certain amount of money the party in power can direct into their ideological pet projects. This is the saving grace of our political system now in that no one can come in and destroy NZ completely in a 3 year term. Or at least that's what I am hoping if the Greens then Act are linchpins in the next few governments.

On the flip side maybe we should be more worried about Treasury and whether there is a lack of talent there, it doesn't receive much scrutiny or media attention.
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Well, election day.

Labour has it sewn up and I think most people have already voted.

Kind of a non event I think.

Apart from watching Winston slink off into retirement.

I see Labour (red) and the Greens, (which makes a very shitty coloured brown)

Collins will keep her job for a few months, (probably till the new year)

Then they will try throwing in Mark Mitchell or Luxon

Edit:Think the most interesting thing about this years is the referendums (or 'da, or 'di. Don't know the plural)
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Mark Mitchell is a f**king knob.
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So Euthanasia to pass and Cannabis to fail seems to be what the polls are saying.

I find that a bit surprising. I wanted to get blazed - legally.
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mr bungle wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:52 pm Mark Mitchell is a f**king knob.
I actually reckon he is alright.

Seems like a pretty good bloke, and you get to know he will kill people giving you grief.
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Jerome Manning wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 pm So Euthanasia to pass and Cannabis to fail seems to be what the polls are saying.

I find that a bit surprising. I wanted to get blazed - legally.
I see this as well.

There is only one out of the two that are actually important and I hope it passes.
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If you open the door to the state and doctors killing people and breaking the Hippocratic oath then we are slippery path to Eugenics. John Key already signaling where it will eventually head mentioning Alzheimer's, a group who don't currently meet the criteria but once the door is partly open.

Sad to hear it is likely to pass. The irony of everything we have been been through with Covid to save mainly the elderly and weak only for people to vote for them to be euthanized is huge IMO.
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tubbyj wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:14 pm If you open the door to the state and doctors killing people and breaking the Hippocratic oath then we are slippery path to Eugenics. John Key already signaling where it will eventually head mentioning Alzheimer's, a group who don't currently meet the criteria but once the door is partly open.

Sad to hear it is likely to pass. The irony of everything we have been been through with Covid to save mainly the elderly and weak only for people to vote for them to be euthanized is huge IMO.
Key can't have read the Act if he thinks Alzheimer's qualifies. His main objective will have been to apply his brand to the yes vote. Disgraceful behaviour.

Most vulnerable people will have euthanasia 'suggested' to them by family. Coercion by its very nature is invisible and the doctors who stand to profit from it will not be looking very hard.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:40 pm
tubbyj wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:14 pm If you open the door to the state and doctors killing people and breaking the Hippocratic oath then we are slippery path to Eugenics. John Key already signaling where it will eventually head mentioning Alzheimer's, a group who don't currently meet the criteria but once the door is partly open.

Sad to hear it is likely to pass. The irony of everything we have been been through with Covid to save mainly the elderly and weak only for people to vote for them to be euthanized is huge IMO.
Key can't have read the Act if he thinks Alzheimer's qualifies. His main objective will have been to apply his brand to the yes vote. Disgraceful behaviour.

Most vulnerable people will have euthanasia 'suggested' to them by family. Coercion by its very nature is invisible and the doctors who stand to profit from it will not be looking very hard.
I am beginning to find one of the most irritating things in the world are people that just spout shit without having actually read the bill/act they are talking about.

Mainly I mean you Muttonbirds, but by the sounds, probably Key too.
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:49 pm
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:40 pm
tubbyj wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:14 pm If you open the door to the state and doctors killing people and breaking the Hippocratic oath then we are slippery path to Eugenics. John Key already signaling where it will eventually head mentioning Alzheimer's, a group who don't currently meet the criteria but once the door is partly open.

Sad to hear it is likely to pass. The irony of everything we have been been through with Covid to save mainly the elderly and weak only for people to vote for them to be euthanized is huge IMO.
Key can't have read the Act if he thinks Alzheimer's qualifies. His main objective will have been to apply his brand to the yes vote. Disgraceful behaviour.

Most vulnerable people will have euthanasia 'suggested' to them by family. Coercion by its very nature is invisible and the doctors who stand to profit from it will not be looking very hard.
I am beginning to find one of the most irritating things in the world are people that just spout shit without having actually read the bill/act they are talking about.

Mainly I mean you Muttonbirds, but by the sounds, probably Key too.
I thought Tubby was pretty clear that Key was speculating where he thought it would go rather than being there now.
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