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Fat Old Git wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:06 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:03 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:47 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am
guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:32 am Uh, it's a pretty common contractual arrangement to have compliance requirements placed on the contractor. At some stage audits will pick up any compliance failure... which is what's happened here. Hipkins has talked this morning about data matching picking up mismatches in the information provided by or through the employer and the employee...

in a perfect world you'd have real time cross checking on a master data base. I'm gonna suggest that this isn't happening because privacy concerns, right?

Anyway... I think you guys are getting a bit desperate to try and pin this on the government. They've announced the case, found the reason, tracked the contacts and managed the situation. Getting your skirts up about it seems a tad hysterical.
So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?

We would - and you'd tell us to stop getting tangled in our skirts. It's all a game but Labour have possession at the moment so get back to trying to win possession guys.
Using that analogy we just don't have a good enough tight five to compete let alone win possession at the moment.
The only problem with these analogies is that they ignore the fact that the government is essentially the All Blacks. And wanting them to fail would be like wanting the AB's to fail because your favorite players weren't selected.
I prefer to think of Labour as the evil, dour, negative Crusaders and doom, gloom and misery pervades the land.

Eventually the Blues will rise again and positivity, flair, innovation and aspiration will lift us out of the philosophy of failure and the gospel of envy in which we currently languish.

The respective jerseys match this analogy too. ;)
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Mallard has to be Parliament’s Foster.
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booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:26 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:13 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:03 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:47 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am

So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?

We would - and you'd tell us to stop getting tangled in our skirts. It's all a game but Labour have possession at the moment so get back to trying to win possession guys.
Using that analogy we just don't have a good enough tight five to compete let alone win possession at the moment.
When do you think the Nats will have a good enough tight five to compete for possession again? ;)
I haven't got a clue but like any good Blues fan I live in hope.

Or maybe we just have to hope Labour's talisman Jacinda eventually loses form. ;)
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Fat Old Git wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:06 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:03 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:47 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am
guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:32 am Uh, it's a pretty common contractual arrangement to have compliance requirements placed on the contractor. At some stage audits will pick up any compliance failure... which is what's happened here. Hipkins has talked this morning about data matching picking up mismatches in the information provided by or through the employer and the employee...

in a perfect world you'd have real time cross checking on a master data base. I'm gonna suggest that this isn't happening because privacy concerns, right?

Anyway... I think you guys are getting a bit desperate to try and pin this on the government. They've announced the case, found the reason, tracked the contacts and managed the situation. Getting your skirts up about it seems a tad hysterical.
So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?

We would - and you'd tell us to stop getting tangled in our skirts. It's all a game but Labour have possession at the moment so get back to trying to win possession guys.
Using that analogy we just don't have a good enough tight five to compete let alone win possession at the moment.
The only problem with these analogies is that they ignore the fact that the government is essentially the All Blacks. And wanting them to fail would be like wanting the AB's to fail because your favorite players weren't selected.
The problem with the analogy again is you think people want the government to fail, when most people with Covid in particular just want them to work out where they are supposed to be playing, because none of the current players and coaches thought it might be a good idea to bring a map of where the stadium is.
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guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:26 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?
Firstly, I've got a philosophical aversion to outsourcing critical services, and I believe this is a critical service. My preference is to have the whole business managed in house by government employees... the public service. I think that there's too much room for breakdowns of communication and control when contracting work out...

so I've got a general problem with compliance issues of this type regardless of who is in power. Just to be clear.

On a scale of 1 to a complete partisan freakout, I think this falls fairly low on the scale though. If you look at the security company statement of rebuttal, for want of a better term, you'll see they admit their systems failed to capture the missing testing for this staff member. They specifically mention that the Ministry's checking didn't pick it up until, what, late March? I can't be arsed reopening the link to see... the point is, they're responsible for monitoring it, they should have picked up on that way before the Ministry did. That's in their contract...

I get what Deadduck's saying. It's on the government's watch, ultimately they're responsible. They're also responsible for everything else that goes wrong too, of course. Everything.


All of it. Just so you don't have to be.
Guy, is this what they mean by a free market and individual responsibility?
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Fat Old Git wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:06 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:03 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:47 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am
guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:32 am Uh, it's a pretty common contractual arrangement to have compliance requirements placed on the contractor. At some stage audits will pick up any compliance failure... which is what's happened here. Hipkins has talked this morning about data matching picking up mismatches in the information provided by or through the employer and the employee...

in a perfect world you'd have real time cross checking on a master data base. I'm gonna suggest that this isn't happening because privacy concerns, right?

Anyway... I think you guys are getting a bit desperate to try and pin this on the government. They've announced the case, found the reason, tracked the contacts and managed the situation. Getting your skirts up about it seems a tad hysterical.
So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?

We would - and you'd tell us to stop getting tangled in our skirts. It's all a game but Labour have possession at the moment so get back to trying to win possession guys.
Using that analogy we just don't have a good enough tight five to compete let alone win possession at the moment.
The only problem with these analogies is that they ignore the fact that the government is essentially the All Blacks. And wanting them to fail would be like wanting the AB's to fail because your favorite players weren't selected.
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Ted. wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:04 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:06 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:03 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:47 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am

So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?

We would - and you'd tell us to stop getting tangled in our skirts. It's all a game but Labour have possession at the moment so get back to trying to win possession guys.
Using that analogy we just don't have a good enough tight five to compete let alone win possession at the moment.
The only problem with these analogies is that they ignore the fact that the government is essentially the All Blacks. And wanting them to fail would be like wanting the AB's to fail because your favorite players weren't selected.
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Genuinely interested Ted.

What are your thoughts on Ardern's tendency to punch down on minimum wage workers in national media and then refusing to apologise when proved wrong like the KFC worker, while simultaneously telling everyone to "Be kind"?

Preferrably actual thoughts rather than a smiley to show you are avoiding commenting on anything embarrassing.
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guy smiley wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:03 pm
Enzedder wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:58 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:34 pm
Enzedder wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:52 amThe Japanese fellow has lived there for 20 years and comes back here on a regular basis. Smart move to involve the media but he could have come back months ago if he had wanted to. Don't think we owe him anything to be honest.
Looks like we found the public servant who rejected the guy’s application first time around.
Cheeky bugger - I should have read a bit more about him before posting perhaps but he turned his back on us many years ago - then again, so did many of the people trying to return now so I suppose he should be treated just the same as them.
That’s a pretty harsh assessment of a distressing personal story, Enz. It’s not like all of us here from time to time share our own personal stories of hardship hoping for a sympathetic ear, right?

He and his family applied for compassionate entry and got turned down. His circumstances, you would think, would be as desperate as it gets for that classification. Some empathy wouldn’t go amiss. It’s a difficult scenario for all involved.
I see he has now passed away. RIP.
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That's rough... I wonder how you reconcile yourself in a situation like that? Knowing you're dying, you've precious little time and you can't get home. I torment myself at times with speculating on how it might come whispering through the grass for me...do you want to know and go eyes open or quickly, no pain?
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Now we have the "hotel generation.

Thanks Ardern and Labour.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programm ... -in-motels
Housing crisis: More than 4,000 NZ children living in motels

There are now more than 4000 children growing up in motels across New Zealand, devastating parents who are desperate to find a permanent place for their kids to live.

Skyrocketing house prices are prompting many landlords to sell, forcing up rents which are becoming unaffordable for many families.

Figures released to Checkpoint show that in September last year (the most recent figures available) there were 3350 households with one adult and at least one child in motels.


There were another 800 households with two adults and at least one child.

That was an overall increase of more than 500 children on the previous three months - and the public housing waitlist has been steadily rising ever since.

As of June last year there were more than 1000 kids who had been in motels between three and six months, more than 500 living there between 6 and 12 months and nearly 100 who'd been there between one and two years.

Auckland woman Skye Richardson had to move into a motel with her four children for six months last year after the rental she was living in was sold - she said they'd told her it was the "shittiest time of their life".

"There was me, my two babies in the double bed and then there was my oldest son who's 10 with his little sister who's seven in one single bed."

She eventually managed to find a place for $700 - the bulk of her $940 weekly income.

But she said they had to get out of the motel.

"Kids are meant to be free, they're meant to be kids, they're meant to play - they're not meant to be stuck behind what you might as well say are jail cell bars, stuck in one room. It's not right at all."

Motel-based since moving from Melbourne

Ramona has been living in the same motel with her partner and three children since last November.

"I wouldn't choose this for anybody. Growing up I didn't come from a rich family but it was never as hard as what my children are going through and it sucks."

The family had been living in Melbourne when Covid-19 hit and with no support in Australia they decided to come home, but had no idea how hard the housing hunt would be.

"We were staying with my mother-in-law but she's also in a social housing house, which was overcrowded, so we were asked to leave and here we are."

She puts bars across her windows and her youngest isn't allowed to play outside because it doesn't feel safe.

Her older kids are struggling too.

"I know for my oldest daughter she's nearly 15, she hasn't told any of her friends that she lives in emergency housing.

"It's hard as a mum because you feel like you've failed, my daughter is embarrassed to tell her friends the truth, but what else can you do?"

She's constantly searching for a rental while her partner works fulltime at a warehouse - but his wage isn't enough to get them into the hugely competitive market.

"It's too expensive - there's too many other applicants and you feel overwhelmed but you have to do it. WINZ is telling me I have to apply for five to six houses a week and I've said to them that sometimes there's no houses within my price range and they're like - well you need to find something."

She said Work and Income had told her that if she didn't complete her obligations she would be obligated to pay the cost of the motel - which was $2800 for her family.

"We've been here 11 weeks so that's over $30,000."

Housing situation dire for children - principal

Whangārei's Horahora school principal Pat Newman said his school was aware of 10 pupils who were living in tents, caravans, motels or garages - but he estimated there were probably another 10 who were in similar situations.

He said families simply couldn't afford rising rents, which were caused by landlords cashing in on rising house prices.

"The people renting those houses are being put out in the streets because they're being sold empty and then the new owner is putting them [rents] up $100-$150 a week."

And it's those with kids that were finding the housing crisis particularly dire, he said.

"First home buyers tend to already be renting and in a house; otherwise they wouldn't be looking at the hope of having a deposit. What we're talking about is another level below the first home buyers who are living in a tent so the deposit isn't very great on that."

Newman said those figures were getting worse - and they were taking their toll.

"In a way it's taking away hope for these kids - they see on television all the nice goodies that you should be able to get if you're a 'normal' child, and yet they think, 'that's not me'."

In a statement, the Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni said there was a major programme of work underway aimed at increasing the supply of public housing and improving housing affordability and supply.

Next week the government is scheduled to release its latest statistics around child poverty rates - numbers Kiwi kids are counting on improving.


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guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:47 pm That's rough... I wonder how you reconcile yourself in a situation like that? Knowing you're dying, you've precious little time and you can't get home. I torment myself at times with speculating on how it might come whispering through the grass for me...do you want to know and go eyes open or quickly, no pain?
And then watch the Wiggles and their staff get a free pass, because presumably it would be good to go with Neve.
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Border workers testing relying on ‘honesty’ rather than a robust system whereby reporting is mandatory is another example of the complete F#k ups from this government/ MOH ..this should have been implemented last year after the last f#k up - not from April 27th this year

And now we find out no one was analysing the data from border workers testing anyway - until 2 weeks ago!..with references that the last lockdown could have been avoided

And all ardern can do is blame individuals ‘honesty’ - what a joke
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Got my Covid jab yesterday. Had to wait an hour despite them having an appointment system and it being early in the day. It is week one tbf, but they've had a year to plan for this and staff were still working systems out on the go.

That's probably more to do with the CDHB, than the government, but you would there would have been some pressure on the DHBs to have a valid plan in place, along with the funding thst requires.
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Ted. wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:56 am
guy smiley wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:26 am
booji boy wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 am So just to be clear. If any of this was happening under a National lead Govt and Judith Collins was Prime Minister you wouldn't have a problem with any of these compliance failures?
Firstly, I've got a philosophical aversion to outsourcing critical services, and I believe this is a critical service. My preference is to have the whole business managed in house by government employees... the public service. I think that there's too much room for breakdowns of communication and control when contracting work out...

so I've got a general problem with compliance issues of this type regardless of who is in power. Just to be clear.

On a scale of 1 to a complete partisan freakout, I think this falls fairly low on the scale though. If you look at the security company statement of rebuttal, for want of a better term, you'll see they admit their systems failed to capture the missing testing for this staff member. They specifically mention that the Ministry's checking didn't pick it up until, what, late March? I can't be arsed reopening the link to see... the point is, they're responsible for monitoring it, they should have picked up on that way before the Ministry did. That's in their contract...

I get what Deadduck's saying. It's on the government's watch, ultimately they're responsible. They're also responsible for everything else that goes wrong too, of course. Everything.


All of it. Just so you don't have to be.
Guy, is this what they mean by a free market and individual responsibility?
The principles of free market and individual responsibility went out the window the day the government decided to shut down the economy and closed the borders.

In areas where the govt have decided to be the sole service provider and have then gone on to subcontract out the parts of the services that they don't want to supply themselves, then they should take the ultimate responsibility when those services aren't managed properly as it is them that decided to subcontract the services and it is them that decided who to subcontract the services to. It is also them that designed the management framework for the testing and vaccination regimes and it is them gave the assurances to the NZ public that all these border-facing workers were being regularly tested.

So yes, when it turns out that the border workers weren't being regularly tested because the management framework wasn't sufficient to detect when the workers had skipped tests, and the subcontractor selected by the government had insufficient competence or resources to have their own systems in place to detect when workers had skipped tests, and the people in the ministry responsible for designing and setting up these systems did insufficient failure mode analysis prior to rolling out the system so could not ensure that people who skipped tests would be detected, then this is a system wide failure and the govt is a major part of that and should take the bulk of the responsibility for it.

And the biggest reason for that, is that they are the ones with the power and resources to fix it.

Do we really want a situation where small local contractors are all managing their own systems, with no control over the quality or robustness of each of them, and no accountability for system failures beyond the potential for losing future contracts?
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Good to see that the trans-Tasman bubble is back in force - this screen has been a virtual wasteland for over a year

https://www.flightradar24.com/-38.8,157.68/6
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Look at all those flights going sideways instead of up and down. :o
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Enzedder wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:39 pm Good to see that the trans-Tasman bubble is back in force - this screen has been a virtual wasteland for over a year

https://www.flightradar24.com/-38.8,157.68/6
Have a look at the flights around the US, absolutely insane amount, especially when compared to say
Europe
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My wife has flown to Australia this morning to see her parents for the first time in over a year.
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booji boy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:16 am My wife has flown to Australia this morning to see her parents for the first time in over a year.
Good stuff :thumbup:

Must be quite a few in the same boat. My sister is still too scared of getting trapped to come the other way... the vaccinations can’t come soon enough. :)
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booji boy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:16 am My wife has flown to Australia this morning to see her parents for the first time in over a year.
I haven't seen my Mum in over a year.



She's on the Gold Coast ... but I missed seeing her due to the Xmas lockdown.



Have booked flights back to NZ for end of June, despite being slightly worried about being trapped if Oz change their minds about letting NZers back in.
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UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:22 am
booji boy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:16 am My wife has flown to Australia this morning to see her parents for the first time in over a year.
I haven't seen my Mum in over a year.



She's on the Gold Coast ... but I missed seeing her due to the Xmas lockdown.



Have booked flights back to NZ for end of June, despite being slightly worried about being trapped if Oz change their minds about letting NZers back in.
You're good mate, 501's aren't allowed back anyway.
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RuggaBugga wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am
UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:22 am
booji boy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:16 am My wife has flown to Australia this morning to see her parents for the first time in over a year.
I haven't seen my Mum in over a year.



She's on the Gold Coast ... but I missed seeing her due to the Xmas lockdown.



Have booked flights back to NZ for end of June, despite being slightly worried about being trapped if Oz change their minds about letting NZers back in.
You're good mate, 501's aren't allowed back anyway.
No loss. The world has seen enough of booomer fetishes.

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RuggaBugga wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am
UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:22 am
booji boy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:16 am My wife has flown to Australia this morning to see her parents for the first time in over a year.
I haven't seen my Mum in over a year.



She's on the Gold Coast ... but I missed seeing her due to the Xmas lockdown.



Have booked flights back to NZ for end of June, despite being slightly worried about being trapped if Oz change their minds about letting NZers back in.
You're good mate, 501's aren't allowed back anyway.
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Two articles that point towards what I see as a general issue in NZ... corporate laziness. The first addresses the Transmission Gully Project and the tendering process uncovered in the review of the project...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... ns-of-cost
The AT is calculated based on another number, the PSC (public sector comparator) which is the number given to what it would cost the public sector to build and run a given project. This ensures the government is getting value for money by using private partners to do government projects.

In the case of Transmission Gully, the AT that was put out to tender was at a much lower cost than what it was believed the public sector could deliver the project for. Set at P75 for the public sector price, that meant there was a 75 per cent probability of the public sector building and running Transmission Gully for the price that it was put out to tender.

An old Waka Kotah-NZTA board paper dug up by the reviewers found that the AT was set lower than the PSC “to drive the Respondents' behaviour in the achievement of innovation and efficient whole of life solutions”.

But the bidders weren’t so keen. One interviewee called the price “demonstrably unrealistic”, and another said that it was “dubious” whether it actually achieved value for money for the Crown.

Setting the tender price so low meant firms were tendering for a project knowing that it was unrealistic to be able to deliver it at that cost. The review noted that setting the price low essentially “double counted” cost savings because the public sector figure was already required to consider the most efficient and cost-effective way of doing things.
Some of you who like to moan and carry on about the current govt being incompetent or unable to deliver may want to take a deep breath and absorb that for a while.


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/440 ... ies-report
The Productivity Commission has released its findings into what are known as frontier firms, the top 10 percent.

Productivity Commission chair Ganesh Nana said a mere 30 companies accounted for over half of all exports from this country.

He said New Zealand needed to focus its efforts more or it risked falling further behind.

"To prove our innovation and I suppose the critical thing is our exporting capabilities ... let's focus on exporting distinctive products that can't be imitated elsewhere rather than focusing on volume of commodities which can be imitated elsewhere."

The Productivity Commission in its latest report said New Zealand was becoming less competitive which made it harder to maintain and improve the wellbeing many want and expect.

It compared the country's top 30 companies with those in other small advanced economies, such as Denmark and Singapore.

Nana said the focus must be on innovation and moving away from volume to value-added products.

''Let's grow some big frontier firms, let's grow what we call those anchor firms that will enable a lot of the smaller firms to develop underneath that canopy ... that is the missing element.''

New Zealand companies needed to become more productive to be able to compete globally.

Nana said New Zealand was becoming less and less competitive which affected everyone.

"This is not productivity just for productivity's sake and this is not productivity for profitability's sake, this is productivity to enable us to deliver the wellbeing for future generations and frontier firms is a critical part of that jigsaw puzzle."

What I see going on here a lot is those few really large corporates operating here have got themselves into a market position where they're not competing, they're maintaining market share. It's lazy, because it's easy money... but it's finite. That sort of dynamic feeds a boom / bust cycle. The reason I've linked the Transmission Gully project under the same topic is that there was a seriously flawed, naive or lazy process that underpinned the tendering for that project and it suggests, to me anyway, a culture of short cutting... taking an easy option instead of putting the work into setting up a quality project.

It's all too easy when you're being sponsored by policy to dominate or monopolise. It's time for a revolution, folks...
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guy smiley wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:18 pm Two articles that point towards what I see as a general issue in NZ... corporate laziness. The first addresses the Transmission Gully Project and the tendering process uncovered in the review of the project...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... ns-of-cost
The AT is calculated based on another number, the PSC (public sector comparator) which is the number given to what it would cost the public sector to build and run a given project. This ensures the government is getting value for money by using private partners to do government projects.

In the case of Transmission Gully, the AT that was put out to tender was at a much lower cost than what it was believed the public sector could deliver the project for. Set at P75 for the public sector price, that meant there was a 75 per cent probability of the public sector building and running Transmission Gully for the price that it was put out to tender.

An old Waka Kotah-NZTA board paper dug up by the reviewers found that the AT was set lower than the PSC “to drive the Respondents' behaviour in the achievement of innovation and efficient whole of life solutions”.

But the bidders weren’t so keen. One interviewee called the price “demonstrably unrealistic”, and another said that it was “dubious” whether it actually achieved value for money for the Crown.

Setting the tender price so low meant firms were tendering for a project knowing that it was unrealistic to be able to deliver it at that cost. The review noted that setting the price low essentially “double counted” cost savings because the public sector figure was already required to consider the most efficient and cost-effective way of doing things.
Some of you who like to moan and carry on about the current govt being incompetent or unable to deliver may want to take a deep breath and absorb that for a while.


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/440 ... ies-report
The Productivity Commission has released its findings into what are known as frontier firms, the top 10 percent.

Productivity Commission chair Ganesh Nana said a mere 30 companies accounted for over half of all exports from this country.

He said New Zealand needed to focus its efforts more or it risked falling further behind.

"To prove our innovation and I suppose the critical thing is our exporting capabilities ... let's focus on exporting distinctive products that can't be imitated elsewhere rather than focusing on volume of commodities which can be imitated elsewhere."

The Productivity Commission in its latest report said New Zealand was becoming less competitive which made it harder to maintain and improve the wellbeing many want and expect.

It compared the country's top 30 companies with those in other small advanced economies, such as Denmark and Singapore.

Nana said the focus must be on innovation and moving away from volume to value-added products.

''Let's grow some big frontier firms, let's grow what we call those anchor firms that will enable a lot of the smaller firms to develop underneath that canopy ... that is the missing element.''

New Zealand companies needed to become more productive to be able to compete globally.

Nana said New Zealand was becoming less and less competitive which affected everyone.

"This is not productivity just for productivity's sake and this is not productivity for profitability's sake, this is productivity to enable us to deliver the wellbeing for future generations and frontier firms is a critical part of that jigsaw puzzle."

What I see going on here a lot is those few really large corporates operating here have got themselves into a market position where they're not competing, they're maintaining market share. It's lazy, because it's easy money... but it's finite. That sort of dynamic feeds a boom / bust cycle. The reason I've linked the Transmission Gully project under the same topic is that there was a seriously flawed, naive or lazy process that underpinned the tendering for that project and it suggests, to me anyway, a culture of short cutting... taking an easy option instead of putting the work into setting up a quality project.

It's all too easy when you're being sponsored by policy to dominate or monopolise. It's time for a revolution, folks...
In the first instance, this hopes way back to the scuppering of the Ministry of Works by Roger Douglas and mates, backed up by Ruth Richardson.

The second article is encapsulated by logs on wharves.
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Genuine question for farmer types (along the same line of thought)

The upcoming ban on live dairy cattle exports (if it ever eventuates) - should we even be exporting breeding stock when it may be better to just export the finished product?
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:26 am Genuine question for farmer types (along the same line of thought)

The upcoming ban on live dairy cattle exports (if it ever eventuates) - should we even be exporting breeding stock when it may be better to just export the finished product?
Value adding is the smart way to export... process your raw materials and export that, rather than import manufactured goods using your own resources.
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It is - but is it practical (i.e. are the volumes China want too high for us to manage so we may as well send the cows before someone else does)?
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Surprise surprise. Ardern broke the law with Ihumatao

Couldn't run a bath this lot.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/governmen ... 3PAU7IZUU/

And another border worker has Covid.
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Happy Anzac day from the National Party's Meme Working Group

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Wrong on so many levels

Edit - to change the source from the National Party to one of their support groups
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F**k that's low.

Politicising a day of remembrance.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:45 am It is - but is it practical (i.e. are the volumes China want too high for us to manage so we may as well send the cows before someone else does)?
The animals were going to be grazed and farmed in China and used as breeding stock not sent straight to the freezing works.
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guy smiley wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:31 am F**k that's low.

Politicising a day of remembrance.
Indeed

That was indeed low by Enz
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booji boy wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:35 am
Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:45 am It is - but is it practical (i.e. are the volumes China want too high for us to manage so we may as well send the cows before someone else does)?
The animals were going to be grazed and farmed in China and used as breeding stock not sent straight to the freezing works.
Hence why I used the term dairy cows and not beef - by volumes I mean of processed milk.
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Dark wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:35 am
guy smiley wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:31 am F**k that's low.

Politicising a day of remembrance.
Indeed

That was indeed low by Enz
Dork - blaming the messenger again I see. I didn't post that bastard thing on their Facebook page.

But you shouldn't care as you are Maori Party
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Apparently the covid border worker had had both vaccinations.

Obviously with the current govt Ardern saying this and it actually being true is a pretty high bar in reality, but if for some miracle she is for once right, it does make me question whether the front line workers are now allowed not to wear PPE by Ardern and whose bright idea that was.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:38 am
booji boy wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:35 am
Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:45 am It is - but is it practical (i.e. are the volumes China want too high for us to manage so we may as well send the cows before someone else does)?
The animals were going to be grazed and farmed in China and used as breeding stock not sent straight to the freezing works.
Hence why I used the term dairy cows and not beef - by volumes I mean of processed milk.
China are attempting to become self sufficient in terms of food supply therefore they are looking to expand their home grown sources of beef and dairy. We already export a massive amount of the finished product to them. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:39 am
Dark wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:35 am
guy smiley wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:31 am F**k that's low.

Politicising a day of remembrance.
Indeed

That was indeed low by Enz
Dork - blaming the messenger again I see. I didn't post that bastard thing on their Facebook page.

But you shouldn't care as you are Maori Party
I looked at the image url and there is no clue towhere it came from, from the domain name.

So can only assume you created it Enz,

Unless of course you provide a source that isn't so obviously you.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:25 am Happy Anzac day from the National Party

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Wrong on so many levels
Enz, I'd ask if this was a wilful misrepresentation by you about who created & posted this image, but of course it bloody was.

This was posted on the "National Party's Meme Working Group" FB page. In the page description, it explicitly states:
"We are not the National Party nor are we associated with them.
https://www.facebook.com/nznpmwg/

Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you, but what is completely wrong is to claim this image is" from the National Party" unless you have proof to the contrary.

As Ardie would say, be better bro.
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Dark wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:06 am Surprise surprise. Ardern broke the law with Ihumatao

Couldn't run a bath this lot.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/governmen ... 3PAU7IZUU/

And another border worker has Covid.
Cheers Dark.

Thank fuck you're around to keep the bastards honest.
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