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Fucks gonna wit!
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National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
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You could say that, but you'd be wrong.

Nothing to do with your post but I think English was pushing shit uphill to get past Winnie after the Super overpayments were leaked.
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jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:05 am National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
How would an Australian know anything about this? :lol:
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Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:17 am
jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:05 am National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
How would an Australian know anything about this? :lol:
As a NZ citizen currently living in Australia, I voted. For National, FWIW.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:17 am
jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:05 am National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
How would an Australian know anything about this? :lol:
The difference being Labour were the only ones willing to whore them selves out, give Winston billions in hs own slush fund which has done nothing, and put up with not achieving anything for 3 years, due to their massive failurees like iwibuild,

Special mention must go to Ardern knowing child poverty would go up due to it, and their would be nearly double the homeless, while doing that fake smile, kinderndergarten teacher talking iin class public speaking thing.
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jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:19 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:17 am
jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:05 am National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
How would an Australian know anything about this? :lol:
As a NZ citizen currently living in Australia, I voted. For National, FWIW.
Muttonhalfwit must not be aware of the advances in communication and technology that provide the means to stay abreast of NZ politics all the way from across the Tasman in that vastly different time zone.
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Dark wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:44 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:17 am
jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:05 am National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
How would an Australian know anything about this? :lol:
The difference being Labour were the only ones willing to whore them selves out, give Winston billions in hs own slush fund which has done nothing, and put up with not achieving anything for 3 years, due to their massive failurees like iwibuild,

Special mention must go to Ardern knowing child poverty would go up due to it, and their would be nearly double the homeless, while doing that fake smile, kinderndergarten teacher talking iin class public speaking thing.
Of course in reality it was the people of New Zealand who rejected the National government. More people thought the country was heading in the wrong direction and they, not Winston Peters, changed the government.

We are a better place for it too. Our Covid-19 death rate would resemble Eastern Europe's if the Nats were in charge when the pandemic hit.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:42 am
Dark wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:44 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:17 am
jdogscoop wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:05 am National were given first choice to form government in 2017, they just couldn't because Winnie told Bill English to kindly do one.

You could say that English had the mandate to govern, but then that's MMP for you.
How would an Australian know anything about this? :lol:
The difference being Labour were the only ones willing to whore them selves out, give Winston billions in hs own slush fund which has done nothing, and put up with not achieving anything for 3 years, due to their massive failurees like iwibuild,

Special mention must go to Ardern knowing child poverty would go up due to it, and their would be nearly double the homeless, while doing that fake smile, kinderndergarten teacher talking iin class public speaking thing.
Of course in reality it was the people of New Zealand who rejected the National government. More people thought the country was heading in the wrong direction and they, not Winston Peters, changed the government.

We are a better place for it too. Our Covid-19 death rate would resemble Eastern Europe's if the Nats were in charge when the pandemic hit.
I think you will find NZ didn't, as they got more votes than Ardern.

Labour just gave Peters more.

So could blame the NAts for losing rightly.

In fact specifically, English.

You could say it is his fault for not taking it like a man and being willing to become Peter's play thing. His pet. His pathetic underling, trying to keep some outer appearance of being in control of the country while Peters ran the country, like Ardern was willing to and did.

Worked out for Ardern though, and that is the main thing. I mean who cares at the end of the day how most voters think how weak you are.
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How do you tie your shoes in the morning, does someone do it for you?
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Muttonbirds wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:34 am How do you tie your shoes in the morning, does someone do it for you?
No. I have to do it myself.

I haven't had Peters's luxury for 3 years of having an Ardern pet to do it for me.
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What are these 'oral alternatives'?
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What an embarrassing thread .
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sheesh Dark, you are the NZ version of a Trumpist.
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Weird thread, not sure who the target audience is for trolling.

Labour identifiers couldn’t give a toss who they had to work with and what compromises were made, politics is about getting and maintaining power and they have done that. They felt smug at the time and continue to do so.

National party identifiers who are more moderate have seen potential reforming tendencies blunted by Peters for three years and Labour even now are governing from the center, and anyone with a house and a job continue to enjoy the privileges those give with an expanded wealth gap and accelerated house prices.

Centralists see a continuing commitment to the common values and policy direction of the last four decades.

The only people who continue to feel aggrieved by Peter’s decision are more hardcore National fans who are too lazy to think about the realities of policy execution and governance. There are a smaller group who may with the benefit of hindsight feel disappointed that pragmatism has triumphed once again over principle at the cost of addressing the poverty rate, inequality and the continuing mental health crisis, but those are a tiny minority. The vast majority simply don’t care. Others who pay lip service to reform will justify continuing their support through self-serving imaginary counter factuals and trying to characterize the second above inflation adjustment to benefits since 1977 as evidence of progress.

Most are just very comfortable, some more smugly so than others, acknowledging and celebrating the quintessential Kiwi values of pragmatism.
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:32 am
Dark wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:36 am Interesting

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/winston-pete ... the-troops
Keep it to the NZ Politics thread, you absolute wounder.
Couldn't agree more.
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If this ever happens, which I doubt given it is the Labour Party we are talking here, you can guarantee it will blow out to over a billion.

Still small price to pay for Ardern to have a ego stroking legacy project

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/125343 ... at-harbour
New $685 million cycling and walking bridge for Auckland's Waitematā Harbour

A new bridge costing $685 million is to be built for walkers and cyclists crossing Auckland’s Waitemata Harbour.

The government hopes construction can begin mid-2022, in a plan unveiled just five days after cycling lobbyists broke through a police barrier and rode over the existing Harbour Bridge, demanding action.

Transport Minister Michael Wood said once begun, the new structure is expected to take five years to complete, and work will continue on interim use of existing harbour bridge lanes for cycling and walking.

Wood said engineering work had found the previous proposal to build cycling and walking lanes using the existing harbour bridge foundations, was not feasible.
A stand-alone structure is the safest option that will not only provide a walking and cycling option for commuters but creates an outstanding piece of tourism infrastructure,” said Wood.

“Major international cities all around the world have similar connections and we’ve all seen how well used the (cycleway) Te Ara I Whiti - Lightpath has become, with the Northern Pathway having the potential to be a bigger tourist drawcard,” said Wood.

The minister said an interim solution might involve ideas such as cycling access to the Harbour Bridge on Sundays.

The other major change in the government’s New Zealand Upgrade transport programme, is the scrapping of the Mill Road arterial highway through southern Auckland.

Mill Road, was originally costed at $1.3 billion but Waka Kotahi now believe it would cost $3.5 billion, and it has been reduced to a smaller project focussed on the northern end of the route, and safety improvements.

“Recognising the need to decarbonise our transport system, we’re rebalancing the package to increase investment in rail, public transport and walking and cycling,” said Wood.

“Instead, we’ve focused on delivering important safety improvements to Mill Road, upgrades to SH1 and rail, and new rail stations connected to public transport, walking and cycling infrastructure,” he said.

“This rebalanced package helps manage debt, reduces emissions and supports housing growth.”

The new plans were announced on Friday morning as part of the government’s $12 billion New Zealand Upgrade of major transport projects, first unveiled in January 2020.

The new cycling and walking bridge, to be built on the eastern side of the Auckland Harbour Bridge, is the flagship announcement in the package.

“Work is also continuing on planning for an additional Waitematā Harbour Crossing. An initial business case was finished last year, and work is being done on enhancing the Northern Busway and developing an additional crossing that includes rapid transit,” said Wood.

The news has been welcomed by Labour MP Shannon Halbert, whose Northcote electorate is on the northern side of the harbour bridge.

“This is a great outcome for our local people,” said Halbert on his Facebook page.

“There is no magic bullet that will solve all of our transport woes, it’s about investing in multiple improvements and options,” he said.

Auckland council’s planning chair Chris Darby, described the announcement as a “relief”.

“After too many false starts and false hope given, twenty years of protest have finally been heard and actioned by government – with a thorough plan that's fully funded, Auckland's beacon for biking has got legs,” said Darby.

I take my hat off to the Minister of Transport for getting this over the line.”

The government’s transport agency Waka Kotahi will seek fast-track planning approvals later this year using the Covid-19 Recovery (Fast-track Consenting) Act.

In addition to the estimated $685 million cost of the bridge, a further $100 million is allocated for the previously announced, connecting cycle and walkways through to Westhaven on the city side, and Akoranga on the northern side of the harbour.
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Dark wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:21 am If this ever happens, which I doubt given it is the Labour Party we are talking here, you can guarantee it will blow out to over a billion.

Still small price to pay for Ardern to have a ego stroking legacy project

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/125343 ... at-harbour
New $685 million cycling and walking bridge for Auckland's Waitematā Harbour

A new bridge costing $685 million is to be built for walkers and cyclists crossing Auckland’s Waitemata Harbour.

The government hopes construction can begin mid-2022, in a plan unveiled just five days after cycling lobbyists broke through a police barrier and rode over the existing Harbour Bridge, demanding action.

Transport Minister Michael Wood said once begun, the new structure is expected to take five years to complete, and work will continue on interim use of existing harbour bridge lanes for cycling and walking.

Wood said engineering work had found the previous proposal to build cycling and walking lanes using the existing harbour bridge foundations, was not feasible.
A stand-alone structure is the safest option that will not only provide a walking and cycling option for commuters but creates an outstanding piece of tourism infrastructure,” said Wood.

“Major international cities all around the world have similar connections and we’ve all seen how well used the (cycleway) Te Ara I Whiti - Lightpath has become, with the Northern Pathway having the potential to be a bigger tourist drawcard,” said Wood.

The minister said an interim solution might involve ideas such as cycling access to the Harbour Bridge on Sundays.

The other major change in the government’s New Zealand Upgrade transport programme, is the scrapping of the Mill Road arterial highway through southern Auckland.

Mill Road, was originally costed at $1.3 billion but Waka Kotahi now believe it would cost $3.5 billion, and it has been reduced to a smaller project focussed on the northern end of the route, and safety improvements.

“Recognising the need to decarbonise our transport system, we’re rebalancing the package to increase investment in rail, public transport and walking and cycling,” said Wood.

“Instead, we’ve focused on delivering important safety improvements to Mill Road, upgrades to SH1 and rail, and new rail stations connected to public transport, walking and cycling infrastructure,” he said.

“This rebalanced package helps manage debt, reduces emissions and supports housing growth.”

The new plans were announced on Friday morning as part of the government’s $12 billion New Zealand Upgrade of major transport projects, first unveiled in January 2020.

The new cycling and walking bridge, to be built on the eastern side of the Auckland Harbour Bridge, is the flagship announcement in the package.

“Work is also continuing on planning for an additional Waitematā Harbour Crossing. An initial business case was finished last year, and work is being done on enhancing the Northern Busway and developing an additional crossing that includes rapid transit,” said Wood.

The news has been welcomed by Labour MP Shannon Halbert, whose Northcote electorate is on the northern side of the harbour bridge.

“This is a great outcome for our local people,” said Halbert on his Facebook page.

“There is no magic bullet that will solve all of our transport woes, it’s about investing in multiple improvements and options,” he said.

Auckland council’s planning chair Chris Darby, described the announcement as a “relief”.

“After too many false starts and false hope given, twenty years of protest have finally been heard and actioned by government – with a thorough plan that's fully funded, Auckland's beacon for biking has got legs,” said Darby.

I take my hat off to the Minister of Transport for getting this over the line.”

The government’s transport agency Waka Kotahi will seek fast-track planning approvals later this year using the Covid-19 Recovery (Fast-track Consenting) Act.

In addition to the estimated $685 million cost of the bridge, a further $100 million is allocated for the previously announced, connecting cycle and walkways through to Westhaven on the city side, and Akoranga on the northern side of the harbour.
That is some big-spending elitism.

Its a very narrow segment of society that commutes by bike. And most of them will need cars and buses on the wet and windy days.
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It would be nice if they found some money for some additional and / or better bridges to help keep state Highway 1 open in the South Island.

You would hope that would be considered slightly higher priority than being able to cycle across Auckland Harbour.
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Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:28 am It would be nice if they found some money for some additional and / or better bridges to help keep state Highway 1 open in the South Island.

You would hope that would be considered slightly higher priority than being able to cycle across Auckland Harbour.
Sound bite worked, eh?

Cycling infrastructure is worth the investment because it relieves congestion and the cost benefit is high... along with satellite benefits to health and the like. Auckland is a basket case when it comes to congestion... but then, so are most of our cities. Any cost effective means to reduce that is money well spent.

As for SH1 in the South Island... quite a bit of money has been spent on that over recent years. Driven the Kaikoura coast recently? On top of that... how do you know money isn't being allocated to that rather serious and decades in the making issue? Our infrastructure across the whole country has been neglected... how do you prioritise?
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Very impressed with the work around the Kaikoura coast line .

The Ngai Tahu stuff really works too !!

Proud as punch .
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guy smiley wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:35 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:28 am It would be nice if they found some money for some additional and / or better bridges to help keep state Highway 1 open in the South Island.

You would hope that would be considered slightly higher priority than being able to cycle across Auckland Harbour.
Sound bite worked, eh?

Cycling infrastructure is worth the investment because it relieves congestion and the cost benefit is high... along with satellite benefits to health and the like. Auckland is a basket case when it comes to congestion... but then, so are most of our cities. Any cost effective means to reduce that is money well spent.

As for SH1 in the South Island... quite a bit of money has been spent on that over recent years. Driven the Kaikoura coast recently? On top of that... how do you know money isn't being allocated to that rather serious and decades in the making issue? Our infrastructure across the whole country has been neglected... how do you prioritise?
Bullshit it does. 99% of people who cycle commute use other means when the weather gets wet or windy.

The transport system has to work for wet and windy, therefore the cyclists are irrelevant.
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Oh... and the ChCh Southern Motorway, not to mention the Gateway Bridge...

road closures are something of a crisis and this week's rain was a spectacular emergency causing event. The bridge failure at Ashburton is an obviously urgent situation that needs fixing... but complaining about traffic funding in other parts of the country after a one off emergency event is Judith Collins standard, FOGgy.
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But Labour is doing it, therefore it's bad.
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And not upto his usual .

Certainly another bridge is needed for the heavy trucks , it’s stupid how hundreds go through pretty much the middle of town at all hours .
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:45 am But Labour is doing it, therefore it's bad.

Ohhhhhh right of course .


As long as the milk tankers kept moving all was good in John Key land , nothing to see here .

Mind you the view from the back of a rock star limousine is extremely limited.

How are those bridges up north going again ?

Might need to get out of Auckland to the holiday house if there’s another outbreak .
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guy smiley wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:35 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:28 am It would be nice if they found some money for some additional and / or better bridges to help keep state Highway 1 open in the South Island.

You would hope that would be considered slightly higher priority than being able to cycle across Auckland Harbour.
Sound bite worked, eh?

Cycling infrastructure is worth the investment because it relieves congestion and the cost benefit is high... along with satellite benefits to health and the like. Auckland is a basket case when it comes to congestion... but then, so are most of our cities. Any cost effective means to reduce that is money well spent.

As for SH1 in the South Island... quite a bit of money has been spent on that over recent years. Driven the Kaikoura coast recently? On top of that... how do you know money isn't being allocated to that rather serious and decades in the making issue? Our infrastructure across the whole country has been neglected... how do you prioritise?
Yes, I've driven the northern road and seen the work done over the last few years. It very impressive. But it took a major natural disaster before the investment was put in.

I've also driven the southern roads over lots of elderly one lane each way bridges that are often the only option for the movement of traffic and freight. This week my company had to activate a whole bunch of expensive contingency plans because state highway one was closed and alternatives were unavailable or unreliable.

Leave the sound bite BS out. It's not required and isn't helpful.
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North Island roads aren’t much better .

Apart from Northland of course .
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Geeze, I've just read all the tribal replies that have been posted whole typing my initial reply.

So let's get something straight here. I voted two ticks Labour. They are currently my preferred Party and Adern is my preferred PM. By the country mile.

Criticism of them or a policy does NOT mean I support National or want them anywhere near power.

Fixing congestion is good. But keeping critical infrastructure open is also important.

Some of you are starting to sound like an Auckland relative of mine whose response to a complaint from me about roading projects in the South not being funded was met with "but you don't have traffic issues" as if that was the only reason to improve roading. The roading projects on hold that I was complaining about were to fix safety issues as they were high crass areas regularly resulting in deaths and serious injuries.
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Let’s not get too defensive here .
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Personally I’m all for the establishment of another ministry of works .

I honestly think we have gone backwards rather than progressed and have disproportionately rewarded those that least need it .

It’s been a very slow fight back , but I remain optimistic.
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The cost escalation on these projects is astronomical. The electrification of Papakura to Pukekohe is about 4-times the cost of Paraparaumu to Waikanae. Melting is costing TEN times the cost of the Haywards interchange 6 years ago. Mill Road was going to cost twice that of Transmission Gully, one of the most complex road builds ever in NZ and which will cost about twice the original budget. What the hell is going on here?

And for the record, I take the train and then walk the 3.5km to work and back again rain, wind or shine every work day. With eBikes, the wind is barely an issue, though rain might be more of a problem.
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guy smiley wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:35 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:28 am It would be nice if they found some money for some additional and / or better bridges to help keep state Highway 1 open in the South Island.

You would hope that would be considered slightly higher priority than being able to cycle across Auckland Harbour.
Sound bite worked, eh?

Cycling infrastructure is worth the investment because it relieves congestion and the cost benefit is high... along with satellite benefits to health and the like. Auckland is a basket case when it comes to congestion... but then, so are most of our cities. Any cost effective means to reduce that is money well spent.

As for SH1 in the South Island... quite a bit of money has been spent on that over recent years. Driven the Kaikoura coast recently? On top of that... how do you know money isn't being allocated to that rather serious and decades in the making issue? Our infrastructure across the whole country has been neglected... how do you prioritise?
Oh. I didn't realise a massive earthquake had hit Auckland stopping anyone wanting to get across it, with the only fix being a billion dollar cycle path.
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:45 am But Labour is doing it, therefore it's bad.
Yeh but change labour for national in that statement pre 2017 and you got the same response -ad nauseam

As FOG has stated -too much tribalism, and not enough getting done from anyone
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700m for a bike lane? What the fudge? :lol: Are they paving the thing out of gold? The entire waterview tunnel only cost twice that and they literally drove 6 lanes 3 kilometres underground.
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:45 am But Labour is doing it, therefore it's bad.
It's bad because it will be a dumb white elephant. No one will even use it in winter.
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Eugenius wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 am Personally I’m all for the establishment of another ministry of works .

I honestly think we have gone backwards rather than progressed and have disproportionately rewarded those that least need it .

It’s been a very slow fight back , but I remain optimistic.
Agree with this, I think Enz/Ted have stated the same as well?? With all the budget blowouts, time extensions it would appear going private is just not working that well.

Drove Picton to Dunners and back a couple of weeks ago, great roads, a lot better than most in the lower North Island that's for sure!
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Re the bike lane, bridge etc, they could probably implement a shuttle system just for cyclists relatively easily. That would allow people to to cross the harbour and continue in their way as a cyclist.

You could make a good case for it being a free or at least heavily subsidised.
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

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True Blue wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:27 am
Enzedder wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:45 am But Labour is doing it, therefore it's bad.
It's bad because it will be a dumb white elephant. No one will even use it in winter.
Agree - it’s a hell of a lot of money and does anyone know what the actual life span of the bridge is anyway?

It’s the sort of project you do in better times

Would much rather the money be put into fast tracking the 2nd harbour crossing. -along with an extra rail extensions both sides
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

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Ideally all three !

But that’s some very serious coin .
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