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Took me way too long to get that :blush:


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oh wow...

:lol: :lol:

spot on.


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oh wow...

:lol: :lol:

spot on.


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Man, when I was a teenager almost every knife in the cutlery draw was blackened. The ones mum used for our dinner were the ones with plastic handles on one of those racks and we knew not to use those, but all the old solid metals ones.....

They figured it out eventually and ripped the shit out of me & my brother.

I also recall one time an element broke at a mate's flat - sparks flew everywhere & the fuse blew. Quite impressive.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
oh wow...

:lol: :lol:

spot on.


:lol:

Man, when I was a teenager almost every knife in the cutlery draw was blackened. The ones mum used for our dinner were the ones with plastic handles on one of those racks and we knew not to use those, but all the old solid metals ones.....

They figured it out eventually and ripped the shit out of me & my brother.

I also recall one time an element broke at a mate's flat - sparks flew everywhere & the fuse blew. Quite impressive.

:lol:
Mayhem and havoc...

we used to scour the op shops for old bone handled cutlery. They were best... and glass milk bottles with the bottom carefully removed kept in the freezer were perfect..


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glass milk bottles with the bottom carefully removed kept in the freezer were perfect..



Yeah, nothing worse than inhaling toxic fumes when someone accidentally touched a plastic bottle with the knife....


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Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
oh wow...

:lol: :lol:

spot on.


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Man, when I was a teenager almost every knife in the cutlery draw was blackened. The ones mum used for our dinner were the ones with plastic handles on one of those racks and we knew not to use those, but all the old solid metals ones.....

They figured it out eventually and ripped the shit out of me & my brother.

I also recall one time an element broke at a mate's flat - sparks flew everywhere & the fuse blew. Quite impressive.


Man I can't believe you did that in your mum's house. My flat was as you described but never did that shit at home.

Plus we had a gas flame stove so no exploding elements.


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guy smiley wrote:
Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


Did you guys get Solid in NZ?

Seems to be as rare as rocking-horse shit in Oz


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booji boy wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
oh wow...

:lol: :lol:

spot on.


:lol:

Man, when I was a teenager almost every knife in the cutlery draw was blackened. The ones mum used for our dinner were the ones with plastic handles on one of those racks and we knew not to use those, but all the old solid metals ones.....

They figured it out eventually and ripped the shit out of me & my brother.

I also recall one time an element broke at a mate's flat - sparks flew everywhere & the fuse blew. Quite impressive.


Man I can't believe you did that in your mum's house. My flat was as you described but never did that shit at home.

Plus we had a gas flame stove so no exploding elements.


Yeah, I got away with a bit of shit in my late teens - I blame my older brother. Mum & Dad were very much creatures of habit and once they'd gone to bed could be relied on to stay there till morning so we didn't really worry about getting caught.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


Did you guys get Solid in NZ?

Seems to be as rare as rocking-horse shit in Oz


What's solid? :blush:


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There was nearly an indecent exposure at our Minister's office this morning. The moral of the story is if you drop a pen on the way to meet with the Minister's staff, leave it. Otherwise like me you could be shuffling down Lambton Quay to buy an emergency pair of trousers, covering your front with a laptop but wondering about the view from behind, and arriving a few minutes late to your meeting.

On the plus side measuring my inner thigh would have been easy and the elderly male shop keeper asked if I played sport while measuring my buttocks :smug:.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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There was nearly an indecent exposure at our Minister's office this morning. The moral of the story is if you drop a pen on the way to meet with the Minister's staff, leave it. Otherwise like me you could be shuffling down Lambton Quay to buy an emergency pair of trousers, covering your front with a laptop but wondering about the view from behind, and arriving a few minutes late to your meeting.

On the plus side measuring my inner thigh would have been easy and the elderly male shop keeper asked if I played sport while measuring my buttocks :smug:.


:lol: there’s a few of us public servants on here aren’t there? More importantly, why did you have a pen and a computer? Wasteful use of taxpayer dollars!


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The pen was practical and the computer was for show. If I'm honest I didn't even open it so it was more of a status symbol than a practical device.


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maxbox wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


Did you guys get Solid in NZ?

Seems to be as rare as rocking-horse shit in Oz


What's solid? :blush:


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The pen was practical and the computer was for show. If I'm honest I didn't even open it so it was more of a status symbol than a practical device.

You should get a large Ipad Pro, Apple pencil and keyboard, that would be more of status symbol! ;)


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
maxbox wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


Did you guys get Solid in NZ?

Seems to be as rare as rocking-horse shit in Oz


What's solid? :blush:


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ah... missed getting back to this most vital of questions.

the answer is no, and it's the same situation as Oz... doesn't seem to be such a favoured mode of consumption, basically. I've no idea why but suspect it might have something to do with the extra work involved in production and the added risk of discovery as a result. We used to roll heads up in tight balls and let the knives do the work on that.


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According to NZ Herald:

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Work is about to start in Auckland on two light rail lines, not one - and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund wants to build, own and operate both of them.

Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement today. The ministers said Cabinet has agreed that work should start on both lines straight away, with an open tender process for the funding, construction and operation of the lines.


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The Super Fund proposes to put together a consortium of overseas pension funds, to take on all aspects of the project. It would raise the money and then take charge of construction and operation. The lines would be owned by the Super Fund.


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Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

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It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


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Auckland's volcanoes will sort the issue out soon JTB.


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You want to relocate Auckland airport to the regions?


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guy smiley wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
maxbox wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


Did you guys get Solid in NZ?

Seems to be as rare as rocking-horse shit in Oz


What's solid? :blush:


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ah... missed getting back to this most vital of questions.

the answer is no, and it's the same situation as Oz... doesn't seem to be such a favoured mode of consumption, basically. I've no idea why but suspect it might have something to do with the extra work involved in production and the added risk of discovery as a result. We used to roll heads up in tight balls and let the knives do the work on that.


Chur!

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Jeff the Bear wrote:
Auckman wrote:
According to NZ Herald:

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Work is about to start in Auckland on two light rail lines, not one - and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund wants to build, own and operate both of them.

Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement today. The ministers said Cabinet has agreed that work should start on both lines straight away, with an open tender process for the funding, construction and operation of the lines.


Quote:
The Super Fund proposes to put together a consortium of overseas pension funds, to take on all aspects of the project. It would raise the money and then take charge of construction and operation. The lines would be owned by the Super Fund.


Image


Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

Quote:
It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits


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brat wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
Auckman wrote:
According to NZ Herald:

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Work is about to start in Auckland on two light rail lines, not one - and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund wants to build, own and operate both of them.

Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement today. The ministers said Cabinet has agreed that work should start on both lines straight away, with an open tender process for the funding, construction and operation of the lines.


Quote:
The Super Fund proposes to put together a consortium of overseas pension funds, to take on all aspects of the project. It would raise the money and then take charge of construction and operation. The lines would be owned by the Super Fund.


Image


Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

Quote:
It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits

:roll: Saving for how long? Any public transport initiative in Auckland is better than sitting on hands which is what successive govts have been doing and what your saving for plan would contribute to.


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JB1981 wrote:
There was nearly an indecent exposure at our Minister's office this morning. The moral of the story is if you drop a pen on the way to meet with the Minister's staff, leave it. Otherwise like me you could be shuffling down Lambton Quay to buy an emergency pair of trousers, covering your front with a laptop but wondering about the view from behind, and arriving a few minutes late to your meeting.

On the plus side measuring my inner thigh would have been easy and the elderly male shop keeper asked if I played sport while measuring my buttocks :smug:.

Who’s your Minister..? Making you brave the damp, depressing drizzle..!


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brat wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
Auckman wrote:
According to NZ Herald:

Quote:
Work is about to start in Auckland on two light rail lines, not one - and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund wants to build, own and operate both of them.

Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement today. The ministers said Cabinet has agreed that work should start on both lines straight away, with an open tender process for the funding, construction and operation of the lines.


Quote:
The Super Fund proposes to put together a consortium of overseas pension funds, to take on all aspects of the project. It would raise the money and then take charge of construction and operation. The lines would be owned by the Super Fund.


Image


Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

Quote:
It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits


Doesn’t take any time off the journey? Compared to what?


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guy smiley wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
maxbox wrote:
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Good times, good times...

this has brought back memories that really should have been scrambled beyond repair. :thumbup:


Did you guys get Solid in NZ?

Seems to be as rare as rocking-horse shit in Oz


What's solid? :blush:


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ah... missed getting back to this most vital of questions.

the answer is no, and it's the same situation as Oz... doesn't seem to be such a favoured mode of consumption, basically. I've no idea why but suspect it might have something to do with the extra work involved in production and the added risk of discovery as a result. We used to roll heads up in tight balls and let the knives do the work on that.


...and oil. Gold preferably but more likely bright green.


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JB1981 wrote:
There was nearly an indecent exposure at our Minister's office this morning. The moral of the story is if you drop a pen on the way to meet with the Minister's staff, leave it. Otherwise like me you could be shuffling down Lambton Quay to buy an emergency pair of trousers, covering your front with a laptop but wondering about the view from behind, and arriving a few minutes late to your meeting.

On the plus side measuring my inner thigh would have been easy and the elderly male shop keeper asked if I played sport while measuring my buttocks :smug:.

Who’s your Minister..? Making you brave the damp, depressing drizzle..!

Stuart Nash. It was a meeting with his advisors though, not him.


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Wilderbeast wrote:
brat wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
Auckman wrote:
According to NZ Herald:

Quote:
Work is about to start in Auckland on two light rail lines, not one - and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund wants to build, own and operate both of them.

Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement today. The ministers said Cabinet has agreed that work should start on both lines straight away, with an open tender process for the funding, construction and operation of the lines.


Quote:
The Super Fund proposes to put together a consortium of overseas pension funds, to take on all aspects of the project. It would raise the money and then take charge of construction and operation. The lines would be owned by the Super Fund.


Image



Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

Quote:
It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits


Doesn’t take any time off the journey? Compared to what?


Compared to taking a taxi through the water view tunnel and there’s bugger all difference with the existing sky bus


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UncleFB wrote:
brat wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
Auckman wrote:
According to NZ Herald:

Quote:
Work is about to start in Auckland on two light rail lines, not one - and the New Zealand Superannuation Fund wants to build, own and operate both of them.

Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the surprise announcement today. The ministers said Cabinet has agreed that work should start on both lines straight away, with an open tender process for the funding, construction and operation of the lines.


Quote:
The Super Fund proposes to put together a consortium of overseas pension funds, to take on all aspects of the project. It would raise the money and then take charge of construction and operation. The lines would be owned by the Super Fund.


Image


Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

Quote:
It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits

:roll: Saving for how long? Any public transport initiative in Auckland is better than sitting on hands which is what successive govts have been doing and what your saving for plan would contribute to.


No it’s not - it will end up being another disjointed half done mess for years

I’m not talking about an underground all the way to the airport, of course it would come up earlier than that where we could use the existing heavy rail infrastructure as necessary ..we need an express future proof system, not a tram trundling down dominion rd causing even more chaos on dominion rd

Heavy express rail is the way to go.. part of the reason a city like Melbourne is looking at heavy rail rather than other options to the airport


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The reason light rail is preferred is because this is about more than just an airport connection. Give this a read: https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2018 ... y-airport/


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brat wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
brat wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
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According to NZ Herald:



It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits

:roll: Saving for how long? Any public transport initiative in Auckland is better than sitting on hands which is what successive govts have been doing and what your saving for plan would contribute to.


No it’s not - it will end up being another disjointed half done mess for years

I’m not talking about an underground all the way to the airport, of course it would come up earlier than that where we could use the existing heavy rail infrastructure as necessary ..we need an express future proof system, not a tram trundling down dominion rd causing even more chaos on dominion rd

Heavy express rail is the way to go.. part of the reason a city like Melbourne is looking at heavy rail rather than other options to the airport


In case it missed your notice[ easy to do when you spend your life in near gridlock] , Auckland is a dormant volcanic field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_volcanic_field
Underground simply is not an option because of the basalt flows criss-crossing the isthmus.

As a pimply youth i witnessed at close hand the cut for the southern motorway from Khyber pass to Newmarket.
It took 2 years longer than planned and at one stage they poured concrete into a lava cave , round the clock continuously for over 3 months and didn't succeed in filling it.


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Anyone else find it strange that Cindy held a presser to put Winston in his place ?Told us he will be her bitch

She basically shamed him in front of the whole country... god bless her :thumbup:


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I saw John Key walking along Lambton Quay today. He's put on weight.


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I quite like light rail. How's that for a counter-intuitive angle.

I'm not sure there are too many benefits of it all the way to the airport, but then what is sparsely populated / lightly developed there now, could be developed in a high intensity way in the future - I imagine that the fund's strategy is on all sorts of extras like that.

Public transport is fundamentally shite though. It takes you from somewhere you're not, to somewhere else you don't want to be, at a time you don't want to go, in the company of people you don't want to meet. And you're subject to someone else's control (secretly why the lefties love it). Nearly all the trains and buses I ever see are nearly empty.

It's ripe for disruption e.g. from self-drive cars, electric bikes, health / fitness driven moves to walking and cycling, more remote working, more flexible hours, Uber helicopters, naming and shaming the 'tards that drive precious little Josh 500m to school because it's cloudy, high-granularity road and congestion pricing, and all the things we haven't thought of yet. I reckon the move might go the other way - rip up metro train lines and create arterials for electric and normal bikes. I can dream anyway.

Disclaimer - used a bus to get from Cammeray to the NAB building in CBD Sydney a few weeks ago - awesome.


Is this satire?
Has to be. No one is that stupid unintentionally.


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Tehui wrote:
I saw John Key walking along Lambton Quay today. He's put on weight.


I saw him going to hit golf balls in the driving range at the Golf Warehouse in Ellerslie with his son Max. Didn't really notice he'd put on weight. Just thought what an ordinary, non descript, middle age bloke he looked.


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Light rail from downtown Auckland to the airport is great if you're a tourist or a businessman starting your journey from downtown Auckland. For the 80-90% of travellers coming from other directions it's a fat lot of use.


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Businessmen are more likely to use a door to door taxi service than take the train given the company is usually picking up the tab and time is money.


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Businessmen are more likely to use a door to door taxi service than take the train given the company is usually picking up the tab and time is money.


But if the train service gets rid of a lot of cars from the roads, the taxis will move faster which is the whole point, is it not.

Win-win


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Coming to this conversation late, but this caught my eye:

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It will be a commuter line connecting the 55,000 households already located on the route with the city's two-fastest growing employment centres – the city centre and the airport precinct. Tens of thousands more homes will be built along the route in the coming decades.


Going back to my old hobby horse of the need for decentrilisation, aren't they implementing a solution to a problem that could be solved a better way by forcing/incentivising the businesses that are growing those two areas, and thereby necessitating the need for this light-rail, to go and set up somewhere else in the country?

The worse thing is, in 20 years time, when the light rail won't have capacity, and people are hanging off the roof Delhi style, we'll be told that another several billion will need to be dropped on an overpass, or a subway etc, to meet the demand...the demand they are fucking creating by building the fucking infrastructure in the first place!


The airport tram is a fuking terrible idea

Not future proof..doesn’t take any more time off the journey.. we need to be saving for an underground running off the CRL like most other cities

Yet another example of this stupid government trying to win votes from ignorant dimwits

:roll: Saving for how long? Any public transport initiative in Auckland is better than sitting on hands which is what successive govts have been doing and what your saving for plan would contribute to.


No it’s not - it will end up being another disjointed half done mess for years

I’m not talking about an underground all the way to the airport, of course it would come up earlier than that where we could use the existing heavy rail infrastructure as necessary ..we need an express future proof system, not a tram trundling down dominion rd causing even more chaos on dominion rd

Heavy express rail is the way to go.. part of the reason a city like Melbourne is looking at heavy rail rather than other options to the airport



Heavy rail from Onehunga (or Puhinui) is simply too expensive and won't carry anywhere near as many people as light rail could because light rail will go through central auckland as well as mangere to pick up all those people. The catchment area for light rail is simply larger than that of heavy rail. Also, going from Puhinui would involve huge swathes of land at Wiri for the rail loops to make the Puhinui connection feasible.

Rapid transit is designed for the peak periods. Consistency of travel throughout the day, even if it is 45mins from the airport to the CBD, at least it will be 45mins all day. With the taxi (and bus), it could be 20mins at 3am, 2 hours by 7am, 30mins at midday and 2 hours again by 4pm.

As Wilderbeast said, it isn't about the airport anyway. It is about relieving bus congestion on Dom Road/Symonds Street as well as servicing Mangere/Mangere Bridge as well as the Airport industrial zone (one of the largest, if not the largest, employment zones in the city outside of the CBD).

Anyway, the thing about light rail down Dom Road is that it takes the buses off that road. Those buses can then be redeployed elsewhere in Auckland. Bus congestion down Dom Road and Symonds Street is one of the key reasons why the light rail is being planned for this corridor. Taking a bus up Dom Road shouldn't have to take 30-45mins with 5-8 buses lined up one after another when they get into the major bottlenecks. One light rail set can take 450 people. A double-decker bus can only take up to 150. It is a no brainer to replace the buses with light rail.

Public transport gets those people off the roads who really don't need to be using the roads (eg: parents dropping kids off at school or workers simply going to work in an office in the CBD) and leaves the road free for those who really do need to use the roads (eg: truck drivers, contractors etc).


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