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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:53 am
by AD345
guy smiley wrote:
AD345 wrote:Disturbing amount of anti-democratic undertones coming through here recently
Ignorance and entitlement.
Well I don't know about that but I'm definitely owed something better

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:18 am
by Santa
Lol at Cindy's explanation of the GDP mistake.
“I know what I was talking about. Unfortunately the question I was being asked was something else.”
:lol: :lol: I hope she said that with a smile. Although I suppose she says everything with a smile.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:19 am
by Wilderbeast
Seneca of the Night wrote:I know some of you think I go on a bit too much aboit jacinda but strewth I got nothing on Hooton. This is amazing: https://youtu.be/K6GgN-ciFJ0
I follow Hooton on twitter. He's quality. He attacks Jacinda frequently though not without reason.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:53 am
by Wilderbeast
He can dial it right up to 11 sometimes, and it can be hard to know whether he's poking the bear or being completely genuine. I don't think he truly believes Clare Curran's gmails hold top secret information which will bring down the govt, for example.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:01 pm
by Dark
Santa wrote:Lol at Cindy's explanation of the GDP mistake.
“I know what I was talking about. Unfortunately the question I was being asked was something else.”
:lol: :lol: I hope she said that with a smile. Although I suppose she says everything with a smile.
She asks him to repeat the question and actually says "Sorry. GDP numbers?"

Lol

About 4 minutes in

http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/au ... 5.00-S.mp3

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:25 pm
by BillW
Dark wrote:
Santa wrote:Lol at Cindy's explanation of the GDP mistake.
“I know what I was talking about. Unfortunately the question I was being asked was something else.”
:lol: :lol: I hope she said that with a smile. Although I suppose she says everything with a smile.
She asks him to repeat the question and actually says "Sorry. GDP numbers?"

Lol

About 4 minutes in

http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/au ... 5.00-S.mp3
Holy shit!
That's a cringeworthy interview on her part.
But she's improving. She now knows there's a difference between GDP and the government accounts.
Pretty sure she doesn't understand it though.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:10 am
by Auckman
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... years.html

GDP figures out just now. Economy grew by 1% over the June quarter. Largest quarterly rise in two years.

So much for the socialists tanking the economy. :o

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:26 am
by UncleFB
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:I know some of you think I go on a bit too much aboit jacinda but strewth I got nothing on Hooton. This is amazing: https://youtu.be/K6GgN-ciFJ0
I follow Hooton on twitter. He's quality. He attacks Jacinda frequently though not without reason.
I see he's just tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/sta ... 41216?s=19

He's a provocative fellow.
I used to enjoy Hooten when he was a regular guest on JT and Willie's show on Radiolive (back when it started and used to alternate leftish and rightish presenters by shows ... it may still do that now, I haven't listened in years) and I think that sparring with him was what pushed JT back more to the left. Hooten used to lay into most of the Nats back then (as well as the left) I think due to bad personal blood.

He had a meltdown on air and shitfight with JT and Willie though and then stopped appearing as a guest.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:26 am
by Dark
Auckman wrote:https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... years.html

GDP figures out just now. Economy grew by 1% over the June quarter. Largest quarterly rise in two years.

So much for the socialists tanking the economy. :o

So that means she either did break the embargo or they are spending the day explaining what they means to her

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:53 am
by deadduck
John Tamihere was kicked off the air years ago

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:55 am
by jambanja
Auckman wrote:https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... years.html

GDP figures out just now. Economy grew by 1% over the June quarter. Largest quarterly rise in two years.

So much for the socialists tanking the economy. :o
All on the back of dairy...hmm

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:13 am
by UncleFB
deadduck wrote:John Tamihere was kicked off the air years ago
I did say I haven't listened in years. :roll:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:35 am
by UncleFB
Seneca of the Night wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
deadduck wrote:John Tamihere was kicked off the air years ago
I did say I haven't listened in years. :roll:
Hooton was on the booze back then, so he was very excitable.
He's off the booze now?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:47 am
by Wilderbeast
He’s still pretty excitable...

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:02 am
by kiweez
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:42 am
by merlin the happy pig
Auckman wrote:https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... years.html

GDP figures out just now. Economy grew by 1% over the June quarter. Largest quarterly rise in two years.

So much for the socialists tanking the economy. :o
Nor has Trump,
give them both some time, they're not miracle workers :lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:03 am
by Dark
Seneca of the Night wrote:I know some of you think I go on a bit too much aboit jacinda but strewth I got nothing on Hooton. This is amazing: https://youtu.be/K6GgN-ciFJ0
:P :P

I'd missed that

Ouch

Talk about a take down

I've heard about her avoiding Nippet's interview on the Pacific and China from a few people now.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:21 am
by jdogscoop
Seneca of the Night wrote:Jenny Shipley has gone through an odd image transformation since she was leader. Certainly doesn't look like the proverbial ashburton farmer's wife.
As someone more qualified than most to comment on this topic I think she does now more than ever. All she's missing is an oversized glass three quarters full of a semi-decent vino.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:30 am
by kiweez
Jacinda Ardern to announce decision on future of suspended minister Meka Whaitiri
Ardern will hold a press conference for 3.40pm in her Beehive office.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12128751

:!:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/polit ... is-future/

.....gone.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:40 am
by Auckman
Meka Whaitiri sacked from cabinet.

PM has no confidence based on report.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:15 am
by deadduck
What would be really funny is if she quits, there is a by-election and Marama Fox enters parliament. What would the coalition majority be then? 1 seat?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:23 am
by deadduck
UncleFB wrote:
deadduck wrote:John Tamihere was kicked off the air years ago
I did say I haven't listened in years. :roll:

Yeah he said some dodgy stuff about the Roastbusters and was taken off the air pretty shortly after that. They partnered Willie with Alison Mau and that was a pretty good show. Then he resigned in the couple of months before the election campaign last year and she went to the 5 pm show before throwing her toys out of the cot about something and quitting radio altogether

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:57 am
by Olddantucker
Auckman wrote:Probably the first and last time these three will be in the same room together.
JA and her two Wahine Toa Aunts on the 125th anniversary of Kate Sheppard day.
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:50 am
by BillW
Auckman wrote:Meka Whaitiri sacked from cabinet.

PM has no confidence based on report.
I'm gobsmacked!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... ri-inquiry
"The press secretary was a new addition to the office, which Stuff understands has gone through an entire rotation of staff during Whaitiri's time as minister"....

"Ministerial staffers sign event-based contracts which mean ministers can fire them very easily if the relationship breaks down, with no real recourse for the employee other than a payout".
This is the hypocritical outfit that's trying to reform employment law.
Comes on top of the Labour intern scandal.
http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/unpai ... -explained
You'd have to wonder whether this bunch of incompetents has any principles at all.
Do as we say, don't do as we do.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:36 am
by booji boy
Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 and an investigation was launched after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier.
Wait a minute? In this day and age of political correctness, gender neutrality and equality how on earth could she 'manhandle' a member of her staff? :shock:

I am sickened and appalled!

Surely she personhandled them?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:46 am
by booji boy
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 and an investigation was launched after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier.
Wait a minute? In this day and age of political correctness, gender neutrality and equality how on earth could she 'manhandle' a member of her staff? :shock:

I am sickened and appalled!

Surely she personhandled them?
Gender free positional adjustment, if you don't mind.
Oh glory be and save us do we have to mince our words?

:o :shock: :lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:51 am
by JB1981
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 and an investigation was launched after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier.
Wait a minute? In this day and age of political correctness, gender neutrality and equality how on earth could she 'manhandle' a member of her staff? :shock:

I am sickened and appalled!

Surely she personhandled them?
Gender free positional adjustment, if you don't mind.
Oh glory be and save us do we have to mince our words?

:o :shock: :lol:
Only if you're referring to mince as in food preparation terms and not some High Street promenading.
Tut tut.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:52 am
by booji boy
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Whaitiri was stood down on August 30 and an investigation was launched after it was alleged she shouted at and manhandled a member of her staff three days earlier.
Wait a minute? In this day and age of political correctness, gender neutrality and equality how on earth could she 'manhandle' a member of her staff? :shock:

I am sickened and appalled!

Surely she personhandled them?
Gender free positional adjustment, if you don't mind.
Oh glory be and save us do we have to mince our words?

:o :shock: :lol:
Only if you're referring to mince as in food preparation terms and not some High Street promenading.
Definitely not the latter.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:08 am
by booji boy
guy smiley wrote:
JB1981 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Only if you're referring to mince as in food preparation terms and not some High Street promenading.
Tut tut.
:lol: :lol:

Image
:lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:40 am
by Tehui
Auckman wrote:https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... years.html

GDP figures out just now. Economy grew by 1% over the June quarter. Largest quarterly rise in two years.

So much for the socialists tanking the economy. :o
The silence from the Right is deafening.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:01 am
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
Tehui wrote:
Auckman wrote:https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... years.html

GDP figures out just now. Economy grew by 1% over the June quarter. Largest quarterly rise in two years.

So much for the socialists tanking the economy. :o
The silence from the Right is deafening.
Of course there's no actual socialists anywhere near any actual decision-making. And The Right (as distinct from National) is generally quite happy with this government's continuation of the status quo.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:07 am
by deadduck
We had years and years of Labour saying that the strong GDP growth during the Key government didn't count as it was all down to population growth and that GDP per capita growth was pretty weak

So when the same thing happens under Labour you can't exactly claim it as a win for the govt

GDP per capita went up 0.5% last quarter largely off the bat of a strong dairy season and gains in other primary sector industries. These gains have had nothing to do with the government, but instead have been because of better growing seasons etc. Literally, the weather was better and commodity prices were higher


We'll see how next quarter's figures are after the catastrophic lambing season and a frigid start to spring

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:10 am
by Tehui
deadduck wrote:We had years and years of Labour saying that the strong GDP growth during the Key government didn't count as it was all down to population growth and that GDP per capita growth was pretty weak

So when the same thing happens under Labour you can't exactly claim it as a win for the govt

GDP per capita went up 0.5% last quarter largely off the bat of a strong dairy season and gains in other primary sector industries. These gains have had nothing to do with the government, but instead have been because of better growing seasons etc. Literally, the weather was better and commodity prices were higher
Well you can't have it both ways. Either both governments are awesome or they're both lucky. Which is it?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:20 am
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
Tehui wrote:
deadduck wrote:We had years and years of Labour saying that the strong GDP growth during the Key government didn't count as it was all down to population growth and that GDP per capita growth was pretty weak

So when the same thing happens under Labour you can't exactly claim it as a win for the govt

GDP per capita went up 0.5% last quarter largely off the bat of a strong dairy season and gains in other primary sector industries. These gains have had nothing to do with the government, but instead have been because of better growing seasons etc. Literally, the weather was better and commodity prices were higher
Well you can't have it both ways. Either both governments are awesome or they're both lucky. Which is it?
Results haven't changed because the policy platform hasn't changed, and isn't going to in any meaningful way. What might create change is if the current Government speed wobbles turn out to be early indications of widespread serious incompetence.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:27 am
by deadduck
The ability of a government to improve an economy is vastly overstated. Especially one like NZ's which is so heavily influenced by the primary sector.

Ruin it? Sure. The quickest way to do that is to start interfering too much or changing too much too fast.
But improving it is akin to greasing the wheels on a steaming locomotive, what difference it makes who can really tell?


Rather than driving the economy, the government's role is to be reactionary, to know when to pull the brakes or stoke the flames to use the same analogy, in order to keep things stable.

Labour's approach so far has been pretty mild. The doom and gloom predicted by Winston Peters last October is yet to materialise, perhaps he was getting his excuses in early. Of course, it's pretty easy for the government when they have such deep pockets after overtaxing everyone.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:41 pm
by Auckman
Tehui wrote:
deadduck wrote:We had years and years of Labour saying that the strong GDP growth during the Key government didn't count as it was all down to population growth and that GDP per capita growth was pretty weak

So when the same thing happens under Labour you can't exactly claim it as a win for the govt

GDP per capita went up 0.5% last quarter largely off the bat of a strong dairy season and gains in other primary sector industries. These gains have had nothing to do with the government, but instead have been because of better growing seasons etc. Literally, the weather was better and commodity prices were higher
Well you can't have it both ways. Either both governments are awesome or they're both lucky. Which is it?
:nod:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:48 pm
by Auckman
deadduck wrote:What would be really funny is if she quits, there is a by-election and Marama Fox enters parliament. What would the coalition majority be then? 1 seat?
Ikaroa-Rawhiti is Labour land. It could've switched to Maori during the height of the seabed and foreshore rebellion but it held firm for Parekura.

...and Marama Fox has other things to worry about....

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:43 am
by deadduck
Housing NZ is getting an name change
A new law will set Housing New Zealand's social mandate in legislation, and make clear the state home provider should not have to return a dividend.

It will also change the name - slightly - from Housing New Zealand Corporation to Housing New Zealand (HNZ).

Housing Minister Phil Twyford campaigned on more fully reforming the agency, bringing it back into the fold as a Government department instead of a quasi-independent crown entity.

But upon entering government Twyford decided against such a move, saying HNZ were already moving in a direction he liked and he didn't want to add too much disruption.



On Friday he announced a move towards setting HNZ's social obligations - basically to be the landlord of last resort for the country's most vulnerable - explicitly in law..

This would also set out clearly that HNZ should not be required to return a dividend, as it did in some recent years to the National-led government.

The news follows the release a brutal report on Thursday from HNZ on how the state home provider pursued and evicted tenants over meth contamination in properties by misusing a test meant to clean up meth labs, a process that resulted in over $100 million in wasted money and at least 800 tenants evicted for levels of contamination that were not at all dangerous.

Twyford said the organisation was already changing, but he wanted to set that change in.


"It is already offering pastoral care to help tenants stay in their homes, allowing tenants to have pets, and treating drug addiction as a health issue," Twyford said.


"Following yesterday's release of its report into methamphetamine contamination, it is timely for Housing NZ to now focus on the eight new social objectives set by the Government.

"These include providing good quality, warm, dry, and healthy rental housing for those who need it most, and being a fair and reasonable landlord, treating tenants and their neighbours with respect, integrity and honesty.

"Changing the presumption that Housing NZ will return a surplus will give the organisation more financial flexibility so it can build more state houses and invest in more support for their tenants."

National's social housing spokesman Simon O'Connor said nobody had a problem with goals of integrity and respect but putting them in law didn't make much sense.

"There is noting wrong with the words, but how are they going to do this? Legislation needs to be precise and needs to explain how these things happen," O'Connor said.

"No one would disagree that we need to provide healthy homes, but how are they going to do it, how are they going to measure it?"

He called the name change a "classic political move" and defended the expectation of a dividend.

"The point of the dividends was a way to drive HNZ to be efficient, to drive excellent service. When you remove that you remove the incentive from them to be as efficient as possible.

"There are no consequences - just an obligation to fulfil broad virtuous intentions."

- Stuff
Pull the other one Phil, you decided against bringing it back to being a government department because you realised if you did that you couldn't get away with borrowing billions of dollars and hiding it in the budget of a crown entity rather than on the government books.

The meth issue was a clusterf*ck all round but you can't blame HNZ too much, the science was misunderstood by almost everyone involved and they were only acting on the advice they were getting at the time.


As for the dividend issue, I agree with O'Connor to the extent that returning a dividend goes hand in hand with the expectation that HNZ will be fiscally responsible and prudent. Allowing it to run at a loss as a crown entity is risky especially if they are borrowing billions of dollars like they are. I'm not sure the public would be happy at having to fund an enormous bail out at some point.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:38 am
by koroke hangareka
Since it's in NZ so nobody is likely to confuse it with Housing any other country, they should just call it Housing.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:56 am
by Ted.
guy smiley wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Jenny Shipley has gone through an odd image transformation since she was leader. Certainly doesn't look like the proverbial ashburton farmer's wife.
As someone more qualified than most to comment on this topic I think she does now more than ever. All she's missing is an oversized glass three quarters full of a semi-decent vino.
I don't know what it is about middle to older aged women in Canterbury...

but I don't like it.

It's the men, apparently.