There are two definitions. One used in determining the housing shortage, one for those slumming it on the streets. Very different measures though not mutually exclusive.

Edit - if you are building then you wouldn’t qualify as you’re not actively “looking”. I think this is how it works.

There are plenty of political scientists out there, even those from the left, who would argue that being motivated by empathy in politics is not necessarily good and in many cases is a bad thing

Hard right?

Yes, politicians abusing pharmac is a good example.

It's called egocentric projection. Eug assumes most people share his world view because he is normal. Everyone does it to some extent. It's why he calls moderates "hard right", because he doesn't recognise his own far left values as anything other than somewhere near the middle.

Now you're being as stupid as he was.

I would put Sonny most definitely on the further right of the political spectrum wouldn’t you ?

And tho our resident Mr neutral DD might pretend , he’s an ACT supporter and unceasing apologist for all things National at the expense of any other perspective.

As a moderate social Democrat I’m probably closer to the middle than either of them , which is really saying something.

I am not an ACT supporter


Whatever gave you that impression

The middle ... good lord

Let's have a battle for who can claim the centre ground. Any nominees? FOG or Wilderbeast seem most centric to me, but the centre is always different depending on the beholder.

If not, let's make a political spectrum with the representatives here.

We can always do the old political compass



Even though it seems to place the NZ parties way too far right. No way I should be sitting next to the Greens. I'd hate to see what kind of psycho answers you'd have to put in to get close to where ACT are

Yeah, nah. That doesn't look right. Far too left-leaning the results on the old political compass. I come out as far left as you can be and about half way to Libertarian. I do not believe I'm further left than Hone Harawira or Marama Davidson.

There's a real chance that entire site has been set up in an attempt to convince undecided voters to vote for left wing groups. This kind of social engineering is more common than ever these days.

Classic - 😂

who is a yank?

Regarding Greens, Julie-Anne Genter is American born, but Swarbrick is kiwi-as.

Yeah Chloe is a born n bred Aucklander as far as I was aware but didn't see anything regarding JAGuar???

Loving the fuel tax attacks but also loving how Taxinda just glosses over everything like a consummate professional which leads me to think she needs a new moniker, like...Teflon Cindy

You can't just use the monikers that Key had (although, there's probably not any new ones left).

I think despite their obvious differences the two are very comparable but you are right and I guess Taxcinda is so apt

Well it hasn't been a year yet and we are back to Clark and her mandatory lightbulbs and shower heads

Labour to make all alcohol producers to put on pregnancy warning labels

Apparently there may still be a deaf, blind hermit woman living on a Catlins sand dune who hasn't heard drinking while pregnant is dodgy

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz- ... ls-alcohol

Oh dear.

Please!

Yeah too funny. Although you do realise the young nats are mobilised everytime Cindy smiles, to lambast social media and to influence those who can’t think for themselves. Also Crooked Judy’s dealings with Cameron Slater too.

Yep. As I said it happens pretty often without many people realising it. Half the NZ political memes doing the rounds on facebook last election were directly funded by political parties. Labour spent a lot of money on "Backing the Kiwi meme" as well as the Young Nats. Claiming the centre ground by convincing people the opposition is extreme is typical campaigning
But I don't really get why a so-called neutral political compass website would have so heavily skewed NZ's political parties to the right without some kind of agenda. NZ is well known internationally as having one of the most liberal governments in the world.
The other explanation is sheer incompetence.

I think it’s sheer incompetence. I don’t see act as more authoritarian than national. Most people assume they are though as they think they’re just a more extreme version of national.

It's called a Public Health message. If disseminating public information is going to reduce the prevalence of fetal alcohol disorder in NZ which would reduce costs to the State, why would you complain?

fixed.

The terms "Left" and "Right" originated in the debating forums in post- Bastille storming Revolutionary Paris.

The "Right" in theses forums were radicals who rejected the existing status quo - ie the absolute power of the Bourbon monarchy and the excessive power and wealth of the church , but who were conservative enough to doubt the wisdom of regicide and the total annihalation of the Catholic faith . They almost univerally consisted of Bourgeois and the dreaded petit-Bourgeois.

They were all universally far to the "left" of any NZ political parties and individual MP's.

The neo-liberal agenda has significantly shifted all our political parties to the "Right"

To my mind the only of Left-centre pollies in our present parliament would be the Maori caucus of Nania Mahuta, Willie Jackson & co and even then the socialist rating , for want of better words , is obscured by their unique perspective of the people they represent.

You think they are further left than any green mp? E.g. Marama Davidson?

I would have Greens as far more authoritarian. Just because they want dak legalised doesn't make them libertarian.

So how come most people arrive near the centre of their compass?
Are the majority raging leftists and just don't know it?
Is the survey broken? I think this is probably it. The questions are too simple


Actually tbf I've stated several times I'd probably vote for the Greens if they weren't so economically illiterate

James knows his shit. The rest are a bit more dicey.

Joyce, from the Good Economic Management branch of the Country Women’s Association, would have us believe the 11bn hole is still there in the budget.

That’s good polo skills. Chutzpah.

That's a...largish hole. Is everyone else too embarassed to talk about it?

All Blacks!
Trump!!
Late night American TV!!!
Taxcinda... not enough exclamation points on my phone for that last one.

Meanwhile, in the least surprising news department...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107848792/national-party-leader-simon-bridges-set-to-announce-outcome-into-expenses-leak-inquiry

Pretty funny to watch

This stinks of Collins. Jamie thinks he has dirt on Simon. Well well well, today got interesting.