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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:27 am
by BillW
I have a solution for this case and for other con artists that claim that they are in danger in their home country.

If enough New Zealanders can threaten them with serious consequences if they are allowed to stay here, the Minister would have no option but to deport them for their own safety.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:55 am
by Santa
Auckman wrote:Not reading the 2009 judgement is a pretty basic facepalm. Surely one of the officials or the minister himself should've thought of that. I don't see how this guy can stay in the country if even his estranged wife doesn't want him in the country now.

but, meh...

Are you serious? The immigration minister didn't look at the 2009 judgement in making his decision?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am
by Dark
Santa wrote:
Auckman wrote:Not reading the 2009 judgement is a pretty basic facepalm. Surely one of the officials or the minister himself should've thought of that. I don't see how this guy can stay in the country if even his estranged wife doesn't want him in the country now.

but, meh...

Are you serious? The immigration minister didn't look at the 2009 judgement in making his decision?
What decision?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:47 am
by Tehui
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:
eugenius wrote:Not necessarily so.
Well now that it's rightly been brought in to the spotlight and the Govt are coping heat over it he'll definitely be deported.

Doesn't change the idiotic decision that was made by the immigration minister that even Ardern was defending at the beginning of the week.
Looks like new information came to light but still feels like the minister didn’t quite give the matter his full consideration
Regardless of 'new information' coming to light what right minded, law abiding New Zealander thinks granting this drug importing, criminal thug residency is the right decision?

It's not a good look but that look is only what the media have provided.

You and all the others getting all self righteous and upstanding over this don't know what the story is. In fact, you know f-all about why the decision was made.

Perhaps he's a spy. We prefer to keep them close don't we? Maybe make him an MP, just to be extra sure.
You're right. There's more to this story than Joe Public is aware of. What an interesting case.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:04 am
by brat
What we do know is that the current minister is incompetent..just add it to the list of incompetents in this government

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:07 am
by Dark
Tehui wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Regardless of 'new information' coming to light what right minded, law abiding New Zealander thinks granting this drug importing, criminal thug residency is the right decision?

It's not a good look but that look is only what the media have provided.

You and all the others getting all self righteous and upstanding over this don't know what the story is. In fact, you know f-all about why the decision was made.

Perhaps he's a spy. We prefer to keep them close don't we? Maybe make him an MP, just to be extra sure.
You're right. There's more to this story than Joe Public is aware of. What an interesting case.
Probably won't know given this today

Even Mallard was getting pissed off with Galloway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... hYI32BhFgQ

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:16 am
by Ghost-Of-Nepia
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:
eugenius wrote:Not necessarily so.
Well now that it's rightly been brought in to the spotlight and the Govt are coping heat over it he'll definitely be deported.

Doesn't change the idiotic decision that was made by the immigration minister that even Ardern was defending at the beginning of the week.
Looks like new information came to light but still feels like the minister didn’t quite give the matter his full consideration
Regardless of 'new information' coming to light what right minded, law abiding New Zealander thinks granting this drug importing, criminal thug residency is the right decision?

It's not a good look but that look is only what the media have provided.

You and all the others getting all self righteous and upstanding over this don't know what the story is. In fact, you know f-all about why the decision was made.

Perhaps he's a spy. We prefer to keep them close don't we? Maybe make him an MP, just to be extra sure.
Good grief.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:24 am
by booji boy
Tehui wrote:You're right. There's more to this story than Joe Public is aware of. What an interesting case.
Then why haven't we been informed by 'the most open and transparent government this country has ever had'?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:31 am
by deadduck
Dark wrote:
Tehui wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Regardless of 'new information' coming to light what right minded, law abiding New Zealander thinks granting this drug importing, criminal thug residency is the right decision?

It's not a good look but that look is only what the media have provided.

You and all the others getting all self righteous and upstanding over this don't know what the story is. In fact, you know f-all about why the decision was made.

Perhaps he's a spy. We prefer to keep them close don't we? Maybe make him an MP, just to be extra sure.
You're right. There's more to this story than Joe Public is aware of. What an interesting case.
Probably won't know given this today

Even Mallard was getting pissed off with Galloway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... hYI32BhFgQ


This case really is intriguing. While it's likely we'll never actually know Lees-Galloway's reasons for the decision, I'm really curious as to what they are now given his answers to those questions.

Particularly his answer that it is "definitely not in the public interest" for him to disclose his sources of information.

It's hard to fathom just what kind of dodgy shit has been going on here that this case has become so hushed up and hidden beneath ministerial discretion when on the face of it it seems quite straight forward.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:35 am
by Tehui
booji boy wrote:
Tehui wrote:You're right. There's more to this story than Joe Public is aware of. What an interesting case.
Then why haven't we been informed by 'the most open and transparent government this country has ever had'?
Like when Paula Bennet used parliamentary privilege to reveal the level of income support for two beneficiaries?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:45 am
by mr bungle
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Well now that it's rightly been brought in to the spotlight and the Govt are coping heat over it he'll definitely be deported.

Doesn't change the idiotic decision that was made by the immigration minister that even Ardern was defending at the beginning of the week.
Looks like new information came to light but still feels like the minister didn’t quite give the matter his full consideration
Regardless of 'new information' coming to light what right minded, law abiding New Zealander thinks granting this drug importing, criminal thug residency is the right decision?

It's not a good look but that look is only what the media have provided.

You and all the others getting all self righteous and upstanding over this don't know what the story is. In fact, you know f-all about why the decision was made.

Perhaps he's a spy. We prefer to keep them close don't we? Maybe make him an MP, just to be extra sure.
Good grief.
Is Guy back on this side of the ditch? He's having an awakening on this here thread.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:19 am
by Couch
How the fudge did this Czech cnut pass thru customs in New Zealand under a false name in the first place???

Our border security is a fcking laughing stock

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:42 am
by Kahu
Couch wrote:How the fudge did this Czech cnut pass thru customs in New Zealand under a false name in the first place???

Our border security is a fcking laughing stock
quite simply I believe, the level of corruption in NZ is much worse than we are led to believe.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:11 pm
by Dark
Couch wrote:How the fudge did this Czech cnut pass thru customs in New Zealand under a false name in the first place???

Our border security is a fcking laughing stock
People travelling under a false passport is hardly the most unheard of thing in the world.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:11 pm
by grouch
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:
eugenius wrote:Not necessarily so.
Well now that it's rightly been brought in to the spotlight and the Govt are coping heat over it he'll definitely be deported.

Doesn't change the idiotic decision that was made by the immigration minister that even Ardern was defending at the beginning of the week.
Looks like new information came to light but still feels like the minister didn’t quite give the matter his full consideration
Regardless of 'new information' coming to light what right minded, law abiding New Zealander thinks granting this drug importing, criminal thug residency is the right decision?

It's not a good look but that look is only what the media have provided.

You and all the others getting all self righteous and upstanding over this don't know what the story is. In fact, you know f-all about why the decision was made.

Perhaps he's a spy. We prefer to keep them close don't we? Maybe make him an MP, just to be extra sure.
:lol:

Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:12 pm
by Dark
:lol: :lol:

Too true

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:14 pm
by Santa
Dark wrote::lol: :lol:

Too true
It was the unsquanderable opportunity. Until it was squandered.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:15 pm
by Mr Mike
grouch wrote:Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.
I hope it is an environmentally friendly electronic holiday season greeting with an appropriate request to avoid printing it out.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:19 pm
by Dark
Santa wrote:
Dark wrote::lol: :lol:

Too true
It was the unsquanderable opportunity. Until it was squandered.
Well until "The most open and transparent govt in NZ history" shut up shop again

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:13 pm
by booji boy
Tehui wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Tehui wrote:You're right. There's more to this story than Joe Public is aware of. What an interesting case.
Then why haven't we been informed by 'the most open and transparent government this country has ever had'?
Like when Paula Bennet used parliamentary privilege to reveal the level of income support for two beneficiaries?
Whataboutery that is completely irrelevant to this case.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:16 pm
by booji boy
grouch wrote: :lol:

Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.
Indeed! Jami-Lee who? :lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:54 pm
by Enzedder
booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote: :lol:

Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.
Indeed! Jami-Lee who? :lol:
Even the righties on here (as well as the media and parliament) have come back out to play. :x :x

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:08 pm
by booji boy
Enzedder wrote:
booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote: :lol:

Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.
Indeed! Jami-Lee who? :lol:
Even the righties on here (as well as the media and parliament) have come back out to play. :x :x
Surely we can take a bipartisan approach to this case. If National had granted him residency I'd be just as scathing about the minister that approved it and the prime minister defending it.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:51 pm
by Wilderbeast
booji boy wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote: :lol:

Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.
Indeed! Jami-Lee who? :lol:
Even the righties on here (as well as the media and parliament) have come back out to play. :x :x
Surely we can take a bipartisan approach to this case. If National had granted him residency I'd be just as scathing about the minister that approved it and the prime minister defending it.
Not sure I believe that.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:02 pm
by booji boy
In such a cut and dry case it's a no brainer.

The only criticism I would have of Labour vs National is that Labour and the Greens tend to be such bleeding hearts that they consider even a scrum bag like this deserves another chance. Totally ridiculous! They've also shown themselves to be gullible and naive believing his version of the circumstances.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:15 pm
by Wilderbeast
I think a lot of people agree with you that many criminals such as this one are beyond redemption. However, what does that mean in terms of what we do with them? The logical conclusion has been comprehensively ruled out. Our justice system operates on the assumption that these people can turn it all around.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:27 pm
by deadduck
By that logic we shouldn't deport anybody

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:50 pm
by eugenius
Tut tut eh ?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:59 pm
by Dark
I think what is being forgotten in this case is the scumbag has a EU passport.

If he is truely worried about being deported home, he can go to any EU country he wants to.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:04 pm
by Enzedder
I have been scathing of the handling of this, even on this thread. Right now - today - make the order and this goes away in 2 or 3 days. I am not a politicians asshole (thankfully) and even I can see that.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:23 pm
by Wilderbeast
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:I think a lot of people agree with you that many criminals such as this one are beyond redemption. However, what does that mean in terms of what we do with them? The logical conclusion has been comprehensively ruled out. Our justice system operates on the assumption that these people can turn it all around.
That actually is irrelevant in this case. We shouldn't be in the business of redeeming foreigners.
It was a general response to booji criticising the left’s obsession with redemption. So not irrelevant.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:41 pm
by Gordon Bennett
booji boy wrote:In such a cut and dry case it's a no brainer.

The only criticism I would have of Labour vs National is that Labour and the Greens tend to be such bleeding hearts that they consider even a scrum bag like this deserves another chance. Totally ridiculous! They've also shown themselves to be gullible and naive believing his version of the circumstances.
Is it the Minister who's been gullible, or the Department officials who haven't fully investigated the case in the first place. It's hardly the Minister's responsibility to do the leg work on the case work. If you're given shit information, yes you question it, but at some point you accept that you have staff that (given they should be experts in this stuff) can gather appropriate material.

Bit of a cluster-fudge.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:08 pm
by eugenius

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:15 pm
by Dark
In what way?

It would only be hypocritical if they use the Waka jumping bill.

And even then who cares? Labour have already done Uber hypocritical by signing the TPP they hated and protested against for 9 years, so it is just going with the flow

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 pm
by Mr Mike
MPs have to be free to follow their consciences. They were elected to represent their constituents, not swear an oath of blind allegiance to a political party. If an MP feels that membership in another elected party better serves his or her constituents, then that can be put to the test at election time.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:57 pm
by UncleFB
booji boy wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote: :lol:

Whatever this particular piece of euro-trash has ,or hasn't done , or where he ends up , he or whomever outed him will always be Simon Bridges Christmas card list.
Indeed! Jami-Lee who? :lol:
Even the righties on here (as well as the media and parliament) have come back out to play. :x :x
Surely we can take a bipartisan approach to this case. If National had granted him residency I'd be just as scathing about the minister that approved it and the prime minister defending it.
Didn't he originally get residency when the Nats were in govt?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:24 pm
by Wilderbeast
Mr Mike wrote:
MPs have to be free to follow their consciences. They were elected to represent their constituents, not swear an oath of blind allegiance to a political party. If an MP feels that membership in another elected party better serves his or her constituents, then that can be put to the test at election time.
This is all well and good but what electorate MP isn’t elected because of the colour of their blazer?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:43 pm
by Tehui
booji boy wrote:In such a cut and dry case it's a no brainer.
I'm not defending the decision, but do you know the full facts of the case?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:07 am
by eugenius
I hate to interfere with such a promising and building hysteria but this guy was hardly Mr Asia , I was quite partial to the very occasional E back in the day. Just as well I was born here eh ?

Me-thinks he’s ‘cooperated with authorities’.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:10 am
by eugenius
Indeed he did receive his residency under the National Government.

Oh the humanity ! :lol: