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Santa wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:A few comments on the JLR saga. Some may be stolen from a smattering of commentators.

Firstly, all of National must stand united behind Bridges. You cannot, for one second, make it appear that this kind of behaviour will win you anything in politics. They must unite and shunt him out. His actions were despicable and have no place in politics (or anywhere for that matter).

Secondly, I want to see National drop in the polls and Bridges struggle as leader but that’s because I disagree with so many of their policies. I don’t want to see parties rise and fall on bullshit like this.

Lastly, some have been saying there wasn’t much in the conversation and it’s what you’d expect form two colleagues in any environment. I agree, though hard to see Jacinda saying anything like that. Christ, imagine if she did? It would wreck her!
That's because she's has based her political career solely on the being the morally best person in the room. If she doesn't have that she has nothing. Except little Neve.

You utter plonker .
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One of her more admirable virtues is getting you froth warriors knicker knitted with apoplectic rage, which is nice.
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guy smiley wrote:One of her more admirable virtues is getting you froth warriors knicker knitted with apoplectic rage, which is nice.
I am all for you guys getting your kicks out of my frothing. Its an idiotic experiment in governance, and it's shameful that proper rugby blokes would support such asinine race to the bottom leadership. I'm clearly not going to convince you that she's out of her depth, so sit back and enjoy the frothing. I'm not done yet.
Ironic you should specifically mention asinine race to the bottom leadership, you flagrant Trumpette.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:One of her more admirable virtues is getting you froth warriors knicker knitted with apoplectic rage, which is nice.
I am all for you guys getting your kicks out of my frothing. Its an idiotic experiment in governance, and it's shameful that proper rugby blokes would support such asinine race to the bottom leadership. I'm clearly not going to convince you that she's out of her depth, so sit back and enjoy the frothing. I'm not done yet.
Ironic you should specifically mention asinine race to the bottom leadership, you flagrant Trumpette.
For sure. Fair call. Very very very different circumstances though. They have very different jobs for starters. The difference start with that then proceed to infinity.
No love for ‘flagrant Trumpette’?

I thought it showed poise and a little grace.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
I am all for you guys getting your kicks out of my frothing. Its an idiotic experiment in governance, and it's shameful that proper rugby blokes would support such asinine race to the bottom leadership. I'm clearly not going to convince you that she's out of her depth, so sit back and enjoy the frothing. I'm not done yet.
Ironic you should specifically mention asinine race to the bottom leadership, you flagrant Trumpette.
For sure. Fair call. Very very very different circumstances though. They have very different jobs for starters. The difference start with that then proceed to infinity.
No love for ‘flagrant Trumpette’?

I thought it showed poise and a little grace.
I don't think there's anything feminine about supporting trump.
Trump is as camp as 1950's Chrissy holes.
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guy smiley wrote:One of her more admirable virtues is getting you froth warriors knicker knitted with apoplectic rage, which is nice.
So you keep saying. Same reason I loved Key. Shame you weren't frequenting this thread when he was prime minister. ;)
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I know getting the "other side" in a froth is part the USA's criteria for establishing greatness, but I was kind of hoping we could avoid it. Silly of me I know.
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grouch wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Speaking of vindictive, how would you describe the Nats attacks on Ross? :roll:

A school-kids being ganged up on by another group of school-kids. The only one coming out of this with credit is the f**king useless bitch from down south.
I know that in general most of the other posters on this phred have me on ignore or exercise it personally , but one of the reasons I keep coming back here is because of the attitude the majority of posters have towards the National party.

The majority of people in the real world I know simply don't have or don't express a political opinion.

I do , but there's only one consistent aspect to it.

In my 64 years of rattling around the place I've only observed one consistent political fact in NZ.

Every Gnat government has systematically destroyed the economy , impoverished society in a variety ways both fiscal and cultural and done their best to ensure another generation of young will lose varying numbers fighting in someone else's wars.

Once upon a time , I was a Labour supporter , but their wholesale takeover by neo-Liberals put pay to that.

I've been more or less supportive of the centrist /left coalitions post MMP , mainly because the quality of MP's was better and the Select Committee process has worked better and resulted in some reasonably well thought out progressive legislation.

As I said , I keep coming back to this forum mainly to try and understand why the National party continues to enjoy alevel of support that I cannot comprehend

The events of the past week just confuse me more.

Why does anyone with an IQ above room temperature not see that the gnats are bunch of a*oles without conscience,without a defined policy or ideal , without a feasible plan for century 21 and are quite simply an example of all that is to be avoided in a parliamentary democracy.
An understandable approach.
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Very .

And quite frankly the most considered post you have ever achieved on the bored .

It’s increasingly difficult for me to disagree .
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Although I remain a Labour supporter - now .

I’m still waiting for this coalition from hell to fail , according to Sen , ‘Cindy’ isn’t remotely upto the task of holding it together let alone governing the country successfully. Only her delusional confidence and baby PR are sellotaping things together .

We can only hope that him and his ilk will be there to catch when our country implodes !

Any day now am I right ?
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Ted. wrote:
Dark wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:What do I mean? That the Labour Party is built around the premise of union participation. A Labour voter can hardly be shocked by union representation. National voters on the other hand could be somewhat surprised by the fact that special interest groups can be promoted with a very minor donation in the grand scheme of things.

These are not equal or comparable issues.
Unions are still a special interest group and not that many people even belong to them anymore
For pities sake, stop it. :blush:
It is a bizarre take to be sure.

Just checking we are referring to the Labour Party here right????
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The funniest thing to emerge from this week is that because JLR has refused to resign from parliament, National may end up being the first to use Winston Peter's waka-jumping law to get rid of Ross out of parliament. A law which the Nats were vehemently opposed to, saying it was anti-democratic.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:Not politics, but this stoush between Owen Glenn and Eric Watson is amazingly vicious. I would be very surprised if Watson is not worth significantly less than zero right now, and is running out of stashed money too.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107945 ... and-the-uk
Less again depending on the result of this case.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/10660078 ... high-court
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Auckman wrote:The funniest thing to emerge from this week is that because JLR has refused to resign from parliament, National may end up being the first to use Winston Peter's waka-jumping law to get rid of Ross out of parliament. A law which the Nats were vehemently opposed to, saying it was anti-democratic.
:lol:
Winnie will have a fielday.

This comment from the daily blog is my nomination for opinion piece of the week:

Wensleydale says:
Let them burn.

National have been venal scum for decades (the dirty politics saturated Key reign was a new low admittedly), and observing the malignant tumour that is Jami-Lee Ross inexorably metastasising is poetic justice of the first order. Anyone who has read Nicky Hager’s books (The Hollow Men, Dirty Politics) will be under no illusions in regard to how National play the game, and watching them hoist by their own petard as one of their enforcers goes rogue is like standing on Endor as the Death Star explodes. It’s exhilarating.

We’ve endured nine long excruciating years of these self-serving, mealy-mouthed, disingenuous, born-to-rule arseholes plundering the nation on behalf of corporates, foreign investors, property speculators, the Chinese government and the affluent, and we’re supposed to feel sorry for them because they’re currently engaged in a particularly bloody episode of internecine warfare?

fudge them. They deserve everything they get. I hope National plummet into a f**king volcano and we never hear from them again. Ever.
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My favourite Journo piece is the following involving the Mums...........

Simon Bridges' mother says she didn't bring her son up to swear, following his explosive assessment of his West Coast-based list MP's abilities.
The National party leader called Maureen Pugh "f***ing useless" in a recorded conversation released by rogue MP Jami-Lee Ross during a week of sex revelations and leaked audio tapes.

Ross resigned from the National Party this week.
Bridges' mother Ruth (80) told the Herald on Sunday at her home in Tauranga : "I was disappointed Simon used bad language. He certainly wasn't brought up that way but I suppose he was trying to be blokey amongst the blokes".

Pugh's mother, June Briggs, lashed out at Bridges, describing him as a "dumbass". Ruth said she understood how Briggs felt from a "mother's point of view" but was happy her son had apologised to the MP "profusely".

The retired former primary school teacher says it was hurtful reading nasty comments about her son.

"They love to say things like 'Simple Simon', 'You're a muppet'. It's upsetting and you feel the pain but you get numb to it. There's nothing you can do about it.

"I would not respond. It would not be appropriate. It would create a bigger furore if you did."

The Opposition leader's mother was also upset her son was vilified following Ross' comments about the ethnicity of those on the National Party list.

The same recording revealed Jami-Lee Ross saying to Bridges: "Two Chinese would be more valuable than two Indians".

"All the parties do it," Ruth said.

"They are trying to get a balance of representation of different people in Parliament. We have lovely Indian folk here who are very supportive of Simon. He has a great relationship with them. He's not in the least racist. It really upset me when they started on that."

But politics is off the the table whe it comes to mother and son conversations - when Ruth text Bridges out of concern this week he replied, "Mum I don't need your advice on politics".

"Simon doesn't talk politics with me - he just wants me to be his mum, but I do follow him extremely closely. You know if he hurts. I hurt. If he gets kicked. I feel the pain, naturally. I know he is a very good person, very genuine and he's scrupulously honest."
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Martyn Bradley 's insight into "What's really going on'

National's critical need to re-create some coalition partners before 2020.

A bit of daylight shed on the charming Simon Lusk.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/20/t ... -election/
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grouch wrote:
Auckman wrote:The funniest thing to emerge from this week is that because JLR has refused to resign from parliament, National may end up being the first to use Winston Peter's waka-jumping law to get rid of Ross out of parliament. A law which the Nats were vehemently opposed to, saying it was anti-democratic.
:lol:
Winnie will have a fielday.

This comment from the daily blog is my nomination for opinion piece of the week:

Wensleydale says:
Let them burn.

National have been venal scum for decades (the dirty politics saturated Key reign was a new low admittedly), and observing the malignant tumour that is Jami-Lee Ross inexorably metastasising is poetic justice of the first order. Anyone who has read Nicky Hager’s books (The Hollow Men, Dirty Politics) will be under no illusions in regard to how National play the game, and watching them hoist by their own petard as one of their enforcers goes rogue is like standing on Endor as the Death Star explodes. It’s exhilarating.

We’ve endured nine long excruciating years of these self-serving, mealy-mouthed, disingenuous, born-to-rule arseholes plundering the nation on behalf of corporates, foreign investors, property speculators, the Chinese government and the affluent, and we’re supposed to feel sorry for them because they’re currently engaged in a particularly bloody episode of internecine warfare?

fudge them. They deserve everything they get. I hope National plummet into a f**king volcano and we never hear from them again. Ever.
:nod:
:lol:

You should be able to C & P that into National's Wikipedia page without ruffling a feather.
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terangi48 wrote:My favourite Journo piece is the following involving the Mums...........

Simon Bridges' mother says she didn't bring her son up to swear, following his explosive assessment of his West Coast-based list MP's abilities.
The National party leader called Maureen Pugh "f***ing useless" in a recorded conversation released by rogue MP Jami-Lee Ross during a week of sex revelations and leaked audio tapes.

Ross resigned from the National Party this week.
Bridges' mother Ruth (80) told the Herald on Sunday at her home in Tauranga : "I was disappointed Simon used bad language. He certainly wasn't brought up that way but I suppose he was trying to be blokey amongst the blokes".

Pugh's mother, June Briggs, lashed out at Bridges, describing him as a "dumbass". Ruth said she understood how Briggs felt from a "mother's point of view" but was happy her son had apologised to the MP "profusely".

The retired former primary school teacher says it was hurtful reading nasty comments about her son.

"They love to say things like 'Simple Simon', 'You're a muppet'. It's upsetting and you feel the pain but you get numb to it. There's nothing you can do about it.

"I would not respond. It would not be appropriate. It would create a bigger furore if you did."

The Opposition leader's mother was also upset her son was vilified following Ross' comments about the ethnicity of those on the National Party list.

The same recording revealed Jami-Lee Ross saying to Bridges: "Two Chinese would be more valuable than two Indians".

"All the parties do it," Ruth said.

"They are trying to get a balance of representation of different people in Parliament. We have lovely Indian folk here who are very supportive of Simon. He has a great relationship with them. He's not in the least racist. It really upset me when they started on that."

But politics is off the the table whe it comes to mother and son conversations - when Ruth text Bridges out of concern this week he replied, "Mum I don't need your advice on politics".

"Simon doesn't talk politics with me - he just wants me to be his mum, but I do follow him extremely closely. You know if he hurts. I hurt. If he gets kicked. I feel the pain, naturally. I know he is a very good person, very genuine and he's scrupulously honest."
If the views of the respective mums became crucial to public perception , I'd wager the one with the nicest cardigan would win the day.
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grouch wrote:Martyn Bradley 's insight into "What's really going on'

National's critical need to re-create some coalition partners before 2020.

A bit of daylight shed on the charming Simon Lusk.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/20/t ... -election/
Just read that earlier, it’s good. Lays them out in the sun for all to see.
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Simon has a bit of tan to his skin anyway. He part Maori or something else? Or just a really tanned honkey, aka Dan "Totally Not Maori" Carter.
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True Blue wrote:Simon has a bit of tan to his skin anyway. He part Maori or something else? Or just a really tanned honkey, aka Dan "Totally Not Maori" Carter.
He's Maori - but we don't like to advertise that. :D
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terangi48 wrote:My favourite Journo piece is the following involving the Mums...........

Simon Bridges' mother says she didn't bring her son up to swear, following his explosive assessment of his West Coast-based list MP's abilities.
The National party leader called Maureen Pugh "f***ing useless" in a recorded conversation released by rogue MP Jami-Lee Ross during a week of sex revelations and leaked audio tapes.

Ross resigned from the National Party this week.
Bridges' mother Ruth (80) told the Herald on Sunday at her home in Tauranga : "I was disappointed Simon used bad language. He certainly wasn't brought up that way but I suppose he was trying to be blokey amongst the blokes".

Pugh's mother, June Briggs, lashed out at Bridges, describing him as a "dumbass". Ruth said she understood how Briggs felt from a "mother's point of view" but was happy her son had apologised to the MP "profusely".

The retired former primary school teacher says it was hurtful reading nasty comments about her son.

"They love to say things like 'Simple Simon', 'You're a muppet'. It's upsetting and you feel the pain but you get numb to it. There's nothing you can do about it.

"I would not respond. It would not be appropriate. It would create a bigger furore if you did."

The Opposition leader's mother was also upset her son was vilified following Ross' comments about the ethnicity of those on the National Party list.

The same recording revealed Jami-Lee Ross saying to Bridges: "Two Chinese would be more valuable than two Indians".

"All the parties do it," Ruth said.

"They are trying to get a balance of representation of different people in Parliament. We have lovely Indian folk here who are very supportive of Simon. He has a great relationship with them. He's not in the least racist. It really upset me when they started on that."

But politics is off the the table whe it comes to mother and son conversations - when Ruth text Bridges out of concern this week he replied, "Mum I don't need your advice on politics".

"Simon doesn't talk politics with me - he just wants me to be his mum, but I do follow him extremely closely. You know if he hurts. I hurt. If he gets kicked. I feel the pain, naturally. I know he is a very good person, very genuine and he's scrupulously honest."
Cant believe this is legit, but I googled and it is. I wonder what Simon thinks of his mum talking about the names he used to get called.
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Meanwhile the winner of the most predictable thing that was going to happen award is.....

Ross getting admitted to a mental institution

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12146335
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Dark wrote:Meanwhile the winner of the most predictable thing that was going to happen award is.....

Ross getting admitted to a mental institution

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12146335
I guess it's one way to silence him.

I wonder who made the call?
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Maniototo Man wrote:
Dark wrote:Meanwhile the winner of the most predictable thing that was going to happen award is.....

Ross getting admitted to a mental institution

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12146335
I guess it's one way to silence him.

I wonder who made the call?
Would imagine it would be his wife

Unless you think the cops and the mental health assessor who signs it off are particularly stupid and just roll with any idiot that gives them a bell's concerns
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His work and personal life are in tatters. As much for his family as for him, I hope he is getting any help he needs.
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JB1981 wrote:His work and personal life are in tatters. As much for his family as for him, I hope he is getting any help he needs.
Indeed
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It’s hard to believe he went willingly...
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Dark wrote:
Maniototo Man wrote:
Dark wrote:Meanwhile the winner of the most predictable thing that was going to happen award is.....

Ross getting admitted to a mental institution

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12146335
I guess it's one way to silence him.

I wonder who made the call?
Would imagine it would be his wife

Unless you think the cops and the mental health assessor who signs it off are particularly stupid and just roll with any idiot that gives them a bell's concerns
I would imagine so too but when I read comments like this from the story it makes me wonder what is going on.
A National Party spokesman said: "Over the past several weeks the National Party has taken seriously the mental health concerns raised by Mr Ross and the medical professionals he has been involved with. That has included seeking advice from medical professionals and involving Police wherever necessary to ensure support is made available to Mr Ross. It would not be appropriate to comment further."
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True Blue wrote:Simon has a bit of tan to his skin anyway. He part Maori or something else? Or just a really tanned honkey, aka Dan "Totally Not Maori" Carter.
Bridges is Maori, as is Jami Lee Ross.
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Maniototo Man wrote:
Dark wrote:Meanwhile the winner of the most predictable thing that was going to happen award is.....

Ross getting admitted to a mental institution

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12146335
I guess it's one way to silence him.

I wonder who made the call?
Who cares?
Somebody needed to throw a net over him and take him away.
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Not a fan .

Prefer Trotter myself .

But he might not be completely wrong - this time .

And he is most certainly not wrong about Lusk .
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
grouch wrote:Martyn Bradley 's insight into "What's really going on'

National's critical need to re-create some coalition partners before 2020.

A bit of daylight shed on the charming Simon Lusk.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/20/t ... -election/
Just read that earlier, it’s good. Lays them out in the sun for all to see.
Bradbury is surely the thickest and most absurd political commentator in the three countries i follow politics in.
Ooooooo....I don’t know about that. I reckon Slater and most of his contributors to WH would give that a nudge.
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I reckon !

Certainly for creepiness they have him well beaten .
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kiweez wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
grouch wrote:Martyn Bradley 's insight into "What's really going on'

National's critical need to re-create some coalition partners before 2020.

A bit of daylight shed on the charming Simon Lusk.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/20/t ... -election/
Just read that earlier, it’s good. Lays them out in the sun for all to see.
Bradbury is surely the thickest and most absurd political commentator in the three countries i follow politics in.
Ooooooo....I don’t know about that. I reckon Slater and most of his contributors to WH would give that a nudge.
It is a headlong race to the bottom I reckon.
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It all reminds me of when the big fat German was going to unload the dirt on John Key.
A big damp squid.
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BillW wrote: A big damp squid.
Sounds tasty.

But, as Man In Black said earlier, it does seem that politics here is getting a little more parochial when really a little bit more consensus would be nice.
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Gordon Bennett wrote:
BillW wrote: A big damp squid.
Sounds tasty.

But, as Man In Black said earlier, it does seem that politics here is getting a little more parochial when really a little bit more consensus would be nice.
Yeah I guess I should edit that, but bugger it.
Food for thought.
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Personally I think Bridges must stay on for the good of the country.

He has my committed support .
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Bradbury is a ranter. I tried to read the Daily Blog for a while but it has zero substantial content. That article is just a screed.

As to the partisanship, yes it's a problem, and frankly quite bizarre in New Zealand which is actually a low variance political country.

Take grouch's post a few back. Does that accurately describe life under National? It sounds terrible. It sounds worthy of an armed revolution. It sounds like rubbish. It is hysterical.

We could do with a little less of that kind of shit and a little more acknowledgement of where New Zealand actually sits in a global context, which is as an irrelevant (sorry Jacinda but you are irrelevant), relatively boring (political nutcases aside), but exceptionally safe and stable country at the bottom of the world. And long may it stay that way.
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