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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:08 am
by JB1981
Shane Jones doesn't have anything good to say about Air New Zealand's latest safety video. Sure, it's not his preferred video genre but they are a family airline.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/10891 ... ing-safety

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 am
by Dark
JB1981 wrote:Shane Jones doesn't have anything good to say about Air New Zealand's latest safety video. Sure, it's not his preferred video genre but they are a family airline.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/10891 ... ing-safety

I think any video now days is not going to give him the same thrill as he used to get in the old days from them

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:58 am
by brat
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
eugenius wrote:Crisis what crisis ?
f**king unforgiveable to be frank. The main reason I jumped ship to the left after voting for National the previous 3 times.
Yes the housing crisis in NZ is an outrage and utterly taints Key's legacy. How the fck is anyone supposed to be able to pay back 600k+ mortgages. Generation Lifetime Debt.
So if you have a couple on say 120k combined income - say 60k each they would take home 1850/week in the hand between them

ANZ calculator at 600k at 4.79 fixed 2 years is $3144/ month - about 786 /week -obviously interest rates can change

120k gives you 1850/week in the hand - a bit over 42% of total income -not ideal but easily doable

Certainly a lot better than renting

Kiwibuild has a higher threshold of 180k and a deposit of 50k

You can buy a brand new terraced house in botany/ Auckland for 650k -same cost as kiwibuild

Point is it is doable as long as you can save up the deposit- and that takes time like anything else

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:05 am
by deadduck
Generation Lifetime Debt.

You do understand where the word mortgage comes from don't you?


The concept is hundreds of years old, and aptly named. This is not a new thing.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:15 am
by Enzedder
brat wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
eugenius wrote:Crisis what crisis ?
f**king unforgiveable to be frank. The main reason I jumped ship to the left after voting for National the previous 3 times.
Yes the housing crisis in NZ is an outrage and utterly taints Key's legacy. How the fck is anyone supposed to be able to pay back 600k+ mortgages. Generation Lifetime Debt.
So if you have a couple on say 120k combined income - say 60k each they would take home 1850/week in the hand between them

ANZ calculator at 600k at 4.79 fixed 2 years is $3144/ month - about 786 /week -obviously interest rates can change

120k gives you 1850/week in the hand - a bit over 42% of total income -not ideal but easily doable

Certainly a lot better than renting

Kiwibuild has a higher threshold of 180k and a deposit of 50k

You can buy a brand new terraced house in botany/ Auckland for 650k -same cost as kiwibuild

Point is it is doable as long as you can save up the deposit- and that takes time like anything else
As explained in the past, once the house is built and bought, it frees up another house somewhere (that assumes the purchasers did live in a house) so it will filter downwards to a house available to someone to rent.

It helps to balance the supply and demand issue (but I suppose the counter argument is that the house would have been built anyway I supposeZ).

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:32 am
by Enzedder
Intersting opinion from Stephen Tindall

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/10888585 ... bPvxAJQVyw
The Warehouse founder Sir Stephen Tindall sees KiwiBuild as a "mechanism for innovation" that could smash the price of home-building in New Zealand.

Tindall is championing the new Financing the Future report on how to best develop an "impact investing" eco-system in which private money and innovation is brought into play to make headway on social and environmental challenges facing the county.

His Tindall Foundation, set up following the sale of The Warehouse in 1994, was a pioneer of impact investing.

But Tindall says the Government's KiwiBuild could, in time, do for house-building costs what The Warehouse did for the price of consumer goods.

"We are paying nearly double for building in New Zealand than what we should," Tindall said.

"We have been able, through a lot of research, to prove we could get the price down by 42 per cent, if the supply chain changes."

​KiwiBuild could provide the scale needed to attract big money into taking the research and making it an affordable reality.

"Even for a traditional home, if you build it in a particular way … you will be able to build a traditional home for 42 per cent less, through using factory mechanisms for panelisation, getting building materials that don't have double margins on them, etcetera."

The Tindall Foundation became involved in affordable homes around 20 years ago, when it helped fund the Housing Foundation charity, which, by the end of the year, will have built more than a 1000 homes, which lower-income families buy on a joint equity, or rent-to-own basis.

"We're looking at another big project around KiwiBuild, which in my opinion, and the reason I have got involved is it's an impact investment," Tindall said.

"The fact is that if KiwiBuild gave a contract to a big enough operator for, say, 5000 houses, they could invest the capital required to bring those prices to fruition."

Large, international businesses had responded to the KiwiBuild "request for proposal", he said.

Previous governments built a lot of homes, helping turn New Zealand into a broad-based home-owning democracy.

Tindall expected KiwiBuild to use some of the tricks of the past, including standardisation of building.

"Standardising homes, but having a range of maybe five different ones, so it doesn't look like everything's the same," he said.

"You go back to the 1950s, building state houses. They all looked the same, but it served a fantastic purpose. Those houses are still good.

"When I was a kid I hated them, because there was almost a stigma to live in one of those, but not now. People buy them and love them."

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:44 am
by brat
Enzedder wrote:
brat wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
eugenius wrote:Crisis what crisis ?
f**king unforgiveable to be frank. The main reason I jumped ship to the left after voting for National the previous 3 times.
Yes the housing crisis in NZ is an outrage and utterly taints Key's legacy. How the fck is anyone supposed to be able to pay back 600k+ mortgages. Generation Lifetime Debt.
So if you have a couple on say 120k combined income - say 60k each they would take home 1850/week in the hand between them

ANZ calculator at 600k at 4.79 fixed 2 years is $3144/ month - about 786 /week -obviously interest rates can change

120k gives you 1850/week in the hand - a bit over 42% of total income -not ideal but easily doable

Certainly a lot better than renting

Kiwibuild has a higher threshold of 180k and a deposit of 50k

You can buy a brand new terraced house in botany/ Auckland for 650k -same cost as kiwibuild

Point is it is doable as long as you can save up the deposit- and that takes time like anything else
As explained in the past, once the house is built and bought, it frees up another house somewhere (that assumes the purchasers did live in a house) so it will filter downwards to a house available to someone to rent.

It helps to balance the supply and demand issue (but I suppose the counter argument is that the house would have been built anyway I supposeZ).
The counter argument is more realistic as there’s obviously a limit to production - as this government is finding out, and should’ve /wouldve known before the election

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:05 pm
by booji boy
JB1981 wrote:Shane Jones doesn't have anything good to say about Air New Zealand's latest safety video. Sure, it's not his preferred video genre but they are a family airline.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/10891 ... ing-safety
Having had to endure that video four times in the past fortnight cringeworthy is definitely the word I would use to describe it. Air NZ are just trying too hard now. It's embarrassing. :thumbdown: x(

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:06 pm
by booji boy
Dark wrote:
JB1981 wrote:Shane Jones doesn't have anything good to say about Air New Zealand's latest safety video. Sure, it's not his preferred video genre but they are a family airline.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/10891 ... ing-safety

I think any video now days is not going to give him the same thrill as he used to get in the old days from them
:lol: :thumbup:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:20 pm
by maxbox
JB1981 wrote:Shane Jones doesn't have anything good to say about Air New Zealand's latest safety video. Sure, it's not his preferred video genre but they are a family airline.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/10891 ... ing-safety
That video is pure cringe x(

Julian Dennison is a bit over saturated at the moment

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:13 pm
by Kahu
The housing problem is merely a symptom of other bigger problems. The employment and broken home problems. Until more and more people can get stable well paying jobs and less and less families become one parent households the housing market will continue to be eaten by investors.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:22 am
by Auckman
Karel Sroubek is back to being liable for deportation

- "new information" came to light and a new decision has been made (no special direction) not to cancel the new liability for deportation.
- He doesn't have residency "now" because he "hasn't produced a valid travel document"
- Has a right to appeal to the IPT on questions of process -- probably has SFA chance
Lees-Galloway clarified that it was the convictions in the Czech Republic - information that was not available to him when he made his decision - that means that Sroubek never had a right to hold a visa in the first place.
or something like that...

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:33 am
by Santa
Auckman wrote:Karel Sroubek is back to being liable for deportation

- "new information" came to light and a new decision has been made (no special direction) not to cancel the new liability for deportation.
- He doesn't have residency "now" because he "hasn't produced a valid travel document"
- Has a right to appeal to the IPT on questions of process -- probably has SFA chance
Lees-Galloway clarified that it was the convictions in the Czech Republic - information that was not available to him when he made his decision - that means that Sroubek never had a right to hold a visa in the first place.
or something like that...
It's wonderful to know that with the aid of a massive public outcry and a little professional humiliation one can get to the right answer in the end.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:54 am
by Waka Nathan
Santa wrote: It's wonderful to know that with the aid of a massive public outcry and a little professional humiliation one can get to the right answer in the end.
Yep, the National Party Ministers of Immigration (all three of them) that let him in and let him stay will be mightily relieved someone else cleaned up the mess.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:56 am
by JB1981
Waka Nathan wrote:
Santa wrote: It's wonderful to know that with the aid of a massive public outcry and a little professional humiliation one can get to the right answer in the end.
Yep, the National Party Ministers of Immigration (all three of them) that let him in and let him stay will be mightily relieved someone else cleaned up the mess.
Wasn't Lees-Galloway the first Minister to have a say? I thought Immigration NZ had confirmed this previously.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:38 am
by Waka Nathan
JB1981 wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:
Santa wrote: It's wonderful to know that with the aid of a massive public outcry and a little professional humiliation one can get to the right answer in the end.
Yep, the National Party Ministers of Immigration (all three of them) that let him in and let him stay will be mightily relieved someone else cleaned up the mess.
Wasn't Lees-Galloway the first Minister to have a say? I thought Immigration NZ had confirmed this previously.
The guy gained entry into NZ with a false declaration--under a National Minister of Immigration. He remained in NZ under successive National Ministers of Immigration. Lees-Galloway got presented with a less than full story by the department and made a (bad) decision on that. The incompetence in the Ministry of Immigration is astonishing. When a fcking Indian restaurant chain was allowed to issue visas for the near slave labour they "employ" you know you've entered the twilight zone.

What we should be worried about is the extent of the decline of so many government departments under National. One bright spot is the new found zeal by what used to be the Labour Dept in finding and prosecuting the countless foreign crooks and conmen running businesses in NZ without the slightest regard for Employment or Health and Safety laws.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:58 am
by Enzedder
I am not sure that first sentence is correct Waka

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:14 am
by Wilderbeast
Don’t think there’s anything to be gained trying to pin this on National. Galloway f**ked up and knows it. Just needs to move on now.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:23 am
by Enzedder
Wilderbeast wrote:Don’t think there’s anything to be gained trying to pin this on National. Galloway f**ked up and knows it. Just needs to move on now.
Agreed. I should have known within a day that he fucked up but he has stretched it out for a month. Who cares if there is an appeal - that happens all the time.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:26 am
by Waka Nathan
Enzedder wrote:I am not sure that first sentence is correct Waka
2008: Sroubek gains residency under the name Jan Antolik under the sports talent category as the current world kick-boxing champion.

I should have written "residency" rather than "entry". He was in NZ for the entire term of the last National Government who were no better informed by the ministry than the latest Minister of Immigration.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:33 am
by Dark
Waka Nathan wrote:
Enzedder wrote:I am not sure that first sentence is correct Waka
2008: Sroubek gains residency under the name Jan Antolik under the sports talent category as the current world kick-boxing champion.

I should have written "residency" rather than "entry". He was in NZ for the entire term of the last National Government who were no better informed by the ministry than the latest Minister of Immigration.
I hate to burst your balloon there, but he first arrived in 2003 under Labour. Got given residency under the false name in June 2008 under Labour.

Not that I actually blame Labour for this as it was a false passport and they don't have ESP.

I do find it interesting that when you wrongly thought it was National you blamed them given the same scenario though.

Precious much.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:41 am
by Enzedder
Yep - wrong tree to bark at Waka. Plenty of other ammunition so let that one go

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:08 am
by Dark
Had a feeling this bullying thing would backfire on Mallard

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... lying.html

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:25 am
by Enzedder
Dark wrote:Had a feeling this bullying thing would backfire on Mallard

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... lying.html

Ah come on mate - he has freely admitted that he was as guilty as the next person. Someone has to make the first move, we nearly had a suicide a month ago - why not Mallard to start fixing it?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:34 am
by Dark
Enzedder wrote:
Dark wrote:Had a feeling this bullying thing would backfire on Mallard

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... lying.html

Ah come on mate - he has freely admitted that he was as guilty as the next person. Someone has to make the first move, we nearly had a suicide a month ago - why not Mallard to start fixing it?
Fair call

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:46 am
by eugenius
Ted. wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:As Eug said, the economy is "fine". But then, if we're honest, it's probably been "fine" for the last 30 years. It would be nice if we could get beyond that and actually lock in some significant improvements. I know it's still early days yet for the current government, but they don't look like they have means to turn their aspirations into reality. I'd like to be wrong about that, but so far their solutions to the issues facing the country don't seem to be achieving better results than the last lot.
I think the solutions for the housing issues are along the right lines but far too ambitious and off just enough to say they are unlikely to make fundamental changes to a broken market. I include the rental market in that.

Wasted endeavour as it will likely be, at least they are giving it a crack. Whereas previous governments have sat on their hands while the country as a whole has suffered. The sad thing is, Key and English had the beast means in a long time and the talent to make the fundamental changes necessary, but for whatever reasons* failed.
They didn’t fail , a solution was never attempted .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:22 pm
by booji boy
Enzedder wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:Don’t think there’s anything to be gained trying to pin this on National. Galloway f**ked up and knows it. Just needs to move on now.
Agreed. I should have known within a day that he fucked up but he has stretched it out for a month. Who cares if there is an appeal - that happens all the time.
Listening to Lees-Galloway digging himself a deeper hole this morning on Hosking's show two things I suspected all along were clear.

1. It was his bleeding heart policy of not wanting to send the poor drug smuggling, hardened criminal back to face possible death.
2. Lees-Galloway was incredibly naive and gullible to believe Sroubek's version of events. The parole board certainly didn't.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:04 pm
by Enzedder
I would hate to be the one sweating on an appeal to ILG now - no matter how genuine he is going to be too gun-shy to approve anything. He's doing nothing and doing it badly - get rid of him

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:32 pm
by Auckman
Quietly moved on from immigration in the new year in a cabinet reshuffle. :nod:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:31 am
by Enzedder
I am a bit for and a bit against but this is "more democratic" I reckon

This from Aunty Herald
Justice Minister Andrew Little is considering changing the share of votes needed by a party to get into Parliament from the current 5 per cent. He has also floated the idea of getting rid of the coat-tailing provision in order to make the system "fairer".

Coat-tailing allows parties who win an electorate seat the ability to bring in extra MPs, despite not reaching the 5 per cent threshold. It's seen by some - including Little - as an unfair part of the law, but somewhat necessary for smaller parties given the high threshold.

The Electoral Commission suggested the changes under the former government in 2012, but nothing was done.

If there were to be changes, the decision would be made in a referendum, and possibly grouped in with a referendum on euthanasia, and the Greens' cannabis referendum.

Little said ministers were currently consulting on the cannabis referendum, but David Seymour's euthanasia bill and electoral law reform had come up incidentally, so it was prudent to consider all three issues.

Little said the electoral reform issues had come up repeatedly since 1986, and it was clear the issue wasn't going away.

The current situation wasn't fair and wasn't what MMP should be about, he said.

"I think there's some unfairness in the situation when you're a party that gets one seat and 3 per cent of the vote you can get a swag of MPs; you're a party that just misses out on 5 per cent and you get nothing."

Little said no final decision had been made but referendum timing, topics, and whether the results would be binding would be considered by Cabinet, with a decision expected by the end of the year.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 am
by grouch
Enzedder wrote:Intersting opinion from Stephen Tindall

Tindall says the Government's KiwiBuild could, in time, do for house-building costs what The Warehouse did for the price of consumer goods.

"We are paying nearly double for building in New Zealand than what we should," Tindall said.

"We have been able, through a lot of research, to prove we could get the price down by 42 per cent, if the supply chain changes."
​That's it in a nutshell.

The core problem is the [Carter Holt/Fletcher ] Building Act Amendment 2012, which needs sending back to the trash bin along with whole lot more of the Gnats shite legislation.

The mandatory specifications on Framing timber , fittings and structural requirements are excessive and intended to underpin the profits of the building Trade materials Duoply in NZ.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:52 am
by deadduck
"I think there's some unfairness in the situation when you're a party that gets one seat and 3 per cent of the vote you can get a swag of MPs; you're a party that just misses out on 5 per cent and you get nothing."
Andrew Little is right here but the best solution is to simply remove the threshold.
When a party wins one seat and gets 3% of the vote, they get 3% of the MPs. There's nothing unfair about that at all. It is unfair when a party gets 3% of the vote and doesn't win a seat, they get no MPs.

Of course, I doubt Labour would support electoral reform to get rid of the threshold. Bringing more parties to the parliament will inevitably disadvantage those straddling the centre, which Labour are.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:36 pm
by Tehui
Soimon Brudges might have to stay as leader after all.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:09 pm
by booji boy
Tehui wrote:Soimon Brudges might have to stay as leader after all.
:lol: That's the only bad thing about the poll.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:23 am
by The Native
Anyone seen this?

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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:45 am
by eugenius
Oh dear someone’s leaking from National again .

National internal polling have them behind Labour in polling .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:50 am
by Ted.
eugenius wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:As Eug said, the economy is "fine". But then, if we're honest, it's probably been "fine" for the last 30 years. It would be nice if we could get beyond that and actually lock in some significant improvements. I know it's still early days yet for the current government, but they don't look like they have means to turn their aspirations into reality. I'd like to be wrong about that, but so far their solutions to the issues facing the country don't seem to be achieving better results than the last lot.
I think the solutions for the housing issues are along the right lines but far too ambitious and off just enough to say they are unlikely to make fundamental changes to a broken market. I include the rental market in that.

Wasted endeavour as it will likely be, at least they are giving it a crack. Whereas previous governments have sat on their hands while the country as a whole has suffered. The sad thing is, Key and English had the beast means in a long time and the talent to make the fundamental changes necessary, but for whatever reasons* failed.
They didn’t fail , a solution was never attempted .
Agreed. I thought that was what I said, Eug.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:51 am
by eugenius
Oh dear someone’s leaking from National again .

National internal polling have them behind Labour in polling .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:15 am
by Dark
eugenius wrote:Oh dear someone’s leaking from National again .

National internal polling have them behind Labour in polling .
:lol:

I'd imagine clinging to that would help.

Just tell yourself all the public polls are rogue

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:09 pm
by Tehui
I can't recall a time when the speaker of the house wasn't being criticised by the opposition for undertaking their role.