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Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
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Overall debt to gdp ratio is still pretty healthy
Now add in the debt for all the infrastructure work they didn't do while building roads - and the Christchurch repair bill
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Thanks guys.

My post was about tax and stuff, didn't really want to talk about the autism but didn't mind too much about it either. Thanks for the support. :thumbup:

I think NZ disability will get better. It is just a difference between a bigger country vs smaller country re: funding and staffing. NDIS is a major taxpayer commitment so it must chew up a lot of the federal health budget. NZ may or may not find it too expensive to do something similar, I wouldn't have a clue. Anyway, cheers all.
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guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
:lol:

It is pretty funny though.

Did you see Ardern not knowing what the Treaty articles were.

You could hear Willie prompting her from behind.

Geezes. You would think she would have thought to write it on a piece of paper given where she is.

Funny as

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... icles.html

:lol:
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guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
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But it's perfect for Dark
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Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
Matthew Hooten though.

Jesus.

Dark, any program designed to create jobs isn’t going to generate much in the short term, and it’s still only just over a year in. Whatever is created in that short term is going to be junk stuff.

What Labour will be doing, as all govts do, is looking at delivering on election and policy goals over the life of their first term so that they can ride momentum into a second term, which is when the real reform work can be expected to take place... then having done the hard yards in that second term and set up the changes they want, a third term if won is a bonus.

That’s the usual political cycle and you getting all wrought over silly statistical trivia at this stage of the cycle is petty.
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Were there any interim targets for regional growth fund job creation?
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Dark wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
:lol:

It is pretty funny though.

Did you see Ardern not knowing what the Treaty articles were.

You could hear Willie prompting her from behind.

Geezes. You would think she would have thought to write it on a piece of paper given where she is.

Funny as

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... icles.html

:lol:
As a floater, no doubt you monitored Key and English's knowledge of the treaty articles when they were in power? (I'm never one to let a good joke die ;)).

Hell I've worked on Treaty claims and I can't remember the articles in order off the top of my head.

But yes, she probably should have written them on a piece of paper, or even better, had an earpiece that Willie could have spoken into spy style.

Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
You're reaching a bit here, firstly taking anything Hooten says seriously, and secondly as she's a journo that has gone after both sides of the spectrum a cusrory glance on her Newshub page shows this.
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guy smiley wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
Matthew Hooten though.

Jesus.

Dark, any program designed to create jobs isn’t going to generate much in the short term, and it’s still only just over a year in. Whatever is created in that short term is going to be junk stuff.

What Labour will be doing, as all govts do, is looking at delivering on election and policy goals over the life of their first term so that they can ride momentum into a second term, which is when the real reform work can be expected to take place... then having done the hard yards in that second term and set up the changes they want, a third term if won is a bonus.

That’s the usual political cycle and you getting all wrought over silly statistical trivia at this stage of the cycle is petty.
I'd take that as probably true if it weren't for the fact there seems to be zero transparency of where this money is going and what the plans/targets are.

It is what it is.

A slush fund for Winston to try to get his Northland seat back, as he lost 50% of his voters after the election decision, and won't make the 5% given the polls.

He may have even done it as a good thing originally, but needs must.
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Yeah, right. Ole neutral floaty floater voter is as impartial as the wart on a witches arse.

Northland needs help and that was stated clearly early on. Also, I’m thinking of living here so f**k off with your sabotage of my plans :x
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UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
:lol:

It is pretty funny though.

Did you see Ardern not knowing what the Treaty articles were.

You could hear Willie prompting her from behind.

Geezes. You would think she would have thought to write it on a piece of paper given where she is.

Funny as

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... icles.html

:lol:
As a floater, no doubt you monitored Key and English's knowledge of the treaty articles when they were in power? (I'm never one to let a good joke die ;)).

Hell I've worked on Treaty claims and I can't remember the articles in order off the top of my head.

But yes, she probably should have written them on a piece of paper, or even better, had an earpiece that Willie could have spoken into spy style.

Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
You're reaching a bit here, firstly taking anything Hooten says seriously, and secondly as she's a journo that has gone after both sides of the spectrum a cusrory glance on her Newshub page shows this.
Apparently English is nearly fluent in Maori, so would probably know

No idea about whether Key would care, but given he invited the Maori Party into govt 3 times we he didn't need them after the elections, I would think he would be bright enough to study up.
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Dark wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote: :lol:

It is pretty funny though.

Did you see Ardern not knowing what the Treaty articles were.

You could hear Willie prompting her from behind.

Geezes. You would think she would have thought to write it on a piece of paper given where she is.

Funny as

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... icles.html

:lol:
As a floater, no doubt you monitored Key and English's knowledge of the treaty articles when they were in power? (I'm never one to let a good joke die ;)).

Hell I've worked on Treaty claims and I can't remember the articles in order off the top of my head.

But yes, she probably should have written them on a piece of paper, or even better, had an earpiece that Willie could have spoken into spy style.

Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
You're reaching a bit here, firstly taking anything Hooten says seriously, and secondly as she's a journo that has gone after both sides of the spectrum a cusrory glance on her Newshub page shows this.
Apparently English is nearly fluent in Maori, so would probably know

No idea about whether Key would care, but given he invited the Maori Party into govt 3 times we he didn't need them after the elections, I would think he would be bright enough to study up.
Near fluency in Te Reo Maori doesn't equate to knowing the treaty off by heart.

I'm not sure what relevance inviting the Maori Party (and in the process causing their downfall) into govt has to a personal knowledge of the articles of the ToW.

Going back to your post above, why do you think there is any less transparency about where this money is going than other govt initiatives? The MBIE will have to account for where it goes and it will be subject to ministerial oversite.
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Because Labour Ardern spit John Key gush.
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Surely the biggest scandal of this thread is that Auckman has outed himself as Australian?
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UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote: :lol:

It is pretty funny though.

Did you see Ardern not knowing what the Treaty articles were.

You could hear Willie prompting her from behind.

Geezes. You would think she would have thought to write it on a piece of paper given where she is.

Funny as

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... icles.html

:lol:
As a floater, no doubt you monitored Key and English's knowledge of the treaty articles when they were in power? (I'm never one to let a good joke die ;)).

Hell I've worked on Treaty claims and I can't remember the articles in order off the top of my head.

But yes, she probably should have written them on a piece of paper, or even better, had an earpiece that Willie could have spoken into spy style.

Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
You're reaching a bit here, firstly taking anything Hooten says seriously, and secondly as she's a journo that has gone after both sides of the spectrum a cusrory glance on her Newshub page shows this.
Apparently English is nearly fluent in Maori, so would probably know

No idea about whether Key would care, but given he invited the Maori Party into govt 3 times we he didn't need them after the elections, I would think he would be bright enough to study up.
Near fluency in Te Reo Maori doesn't equate to knowing the treaty off by heart.

I'm not sure what relevance inviting the Maori Party (and in the process causing their downfall) into govt has to a personal knowledge of the articles of the ToW.

Going back to your post above, why do you think there is any less transparency about where this money is going than other govt initiatives? The MBIE will have to account for where it goes and it will be subject to ministerial oversite.
I am pretty sure the Treaty would be part of his lessons

I never said Key cared. I said he would be bright enough to find out given his partners

MBIE have a whole website on them

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/science-and-te ... ment-fund/

Where is Shane's?
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True Blue wrote:Surely the biggest scandal of this thread is that Auckman has outed himself as Australian?
Pertinent point.
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True Blue wrote:Surely the biggest scandal of this thread is that Auckman has outed himself as Australian?
Well that and that the Aussie guy smiley might be becoming a NZ first voter

Edit: he’s the right age apparently
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Because I'm thinking of living in Northland?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
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guy smiley wrote:Because I'm thinking of living in Northland?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
Absolutely, it’s one of the new property purchase requirements, just ask JTB, although I think they were a bit scared to enforce it with him.
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guy smiley wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
Matthew Hooten though.

Jesus.

Dark, any program designed to create jobs isn’t going to generate much in the short term, and it’s still only just over a year in. Whatever is created in that short term is going to be junk stuff.

What Labour will be doing, as all govts do, is looking at delivering on election and policy goals over the life of their first term so that they can ride momentum into a second term, which is when the real reform work can be expected to take place... then having done the hard yards in that second term and set up the changes they want, a third term if won is a bonus.

That’s the usual political cycle and you getting all wrought over silly statistical trivia at this stage of the cycle is petty.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is another session of guysplaining.
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guy smiley wrote:Because I'm thinking of living in Northland?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
Wait! What?


:x
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I actually quite like Hooton. Good value on Twitter.
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maxbox wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Because I'm thinking of living in Northland?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
Wait! What?


:x

I'm in Whangarei Max.

I can see your washing.
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If Tova O'Brien is so left wing why the hell would she want to get rid of Soimin Bridges ?? :lol: As someone who voted for Key and revels in the vapidity of Jacinda and the CoL I have to admit I voted for Labour and Taxinda. As bad as they might be, a government who doesn't hate the poor would be much better for this countries long term health in the current climate
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True Blue wrote:Surely the biggest scandal of this thread is that Auckman has outed himself as Australian?
Good old Sydman.
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guy smiley wrote:
maxbox wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Because I'm thinking of living in Northland?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
Wait! What?


:x

I'm in Whangarei Max.

I can see your washing.
If you're looking for a good breakfast tomorrow - try Essence cafe in Bank Street in the Regent.

Its owned by an old friend of mine and he does a pretty good brekky
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AD345 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
maxbox wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Because I'm thinking of living in Northland?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
Wait! What?


:x

I'm in Whangarei Max.

I can see your washing.
If you're looking for a good breakfast tomorrow - try Essence cafe in Bank Street in the Regent.

Its owned by an old friend of mine and he does a pretty good brekky

Thanks man... had an amusing message from my cousin, she lived here for a few years and made a comment about me probably getting coffee from her ex's place but she won't tell me who or where yet :lol:

Your mate... uhhh, does he have a sorta kooky ex?
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True Blue wrote:Surely the biggest scandal of this thread is that Auckman has outed himself as Australian?
:lol: :lol:

Brumbie_Steve knew might dirty secret when I accidentally spilled the beans during a Fijian cabal once upon a time.
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UncleFB wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
You're reaching a bit here, firstly taking anything Hooten says seriously, and secondly as she's a journo that has gone after both sides of the spectrum a cusrory glance on her Newshub page shows this.
I thought it was pretty obvious I was retching rather than reaching.
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Mr Mike wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Newshub :lol:

Do yourself a favour dude. Walk away from media outlets and get out side into the fresh air. Get your heart rate up for 20 minutes. Get some perspective.
When an article like that is written by “an extreme left-wing, anti-National Party journalist” like Tova O’Brien, who Matthew Hooten reminds us is “a disgrace to the profession and a disgrace to Newshub, and is running a personal campaign to get rid of Simon Bridges” then it makes you think...
You're reaching a bit here, firstly taking anything Hooten says seriously, and secondly as she's a journo that has gone after both sides of the spectrum a cusrory glance on her Newshub page shows this.
I thought it was pretty obvious I was retching rather than reaching.
My bad, jumped the gun and whooshed myself!
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Hopefully this article is on the money. Winston (my hero, always has been ;) ) may yet save us from a CGT. :smug:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12201695
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That article is a shitshow...

and I edited to be polite three times.
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booji boy wrote:Hopefully this article is on the money. Winston (my hero, always has been ;) ) may yet save us from a CGT. :smug:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12201695
Do you think a CGT is a bad thing? Or is it more a case of you losing more than gaining if such a tax eventuated? Honest question, I’m in the latter and it definitely dampens my attitude to it. Can’t they introduce it after I’m rich?
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Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:Hopefully this article is on the money. Winston (my hero, always has been ;) ) may yet save us from a CGT. :smug:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12201695
Do you think a CGT is a bad thing? Or is it more a case of you losing more than gaining if such a tax eventuated? Honest question, I’m in the latter and it definitely dampens my attitude to it. Can’t they introduce it after I’m rich?
If I win the lotto and the goverment takes a third of it off me I'll think it's a shit of an idea.
If some one else wins the lotto and they don't take a third of it in CGT I'll be asking why not?
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Edit: missed your point as it seems you agree with me (though lotto implies more luck where I choose to believe my investment wins are skill 8) )
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Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:Hopefully this article is on the money. Winston (my hero, always has been ;) ) may yet save us from a CGT. :smug:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12201695
Do you think a CGT is a bad thing? Or is it more a case of you losing more than gaining if such a tax eventuated? Honest question, I’m in the latter and it definitely dampens my attitude to it. Can’t they introduce it after I’m rich?
My problem with CGT is that I've yet to see a clear explanation of how it will achieve it's goals and not result in some undesirable consequences. No one seems to be able to point to another country where it's introduction has solved their versions of our housing crisis, yet it's touted as part of the solution to ours.
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Fat Old Git wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:Hopefully this article is on the money. Winston (my hero, always has been ;) ) may yet save us from a CGT. :smug:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12201695
Do you think a CGT is a bad thing? Or is it more a case of you losing more than gaining if such a tax eventuated? Honest question, I’m in the latter and it definitely dampens my attitude to it. Can’t they introduce it after I’m rich?
My problem with CGT is that I've yet to see a clear explanation of how it will achieve it's goals or result in some undesirable consequences. No one seems to be able to point to another country where it's introduction has solved their versions of our housing crisis, yet it's touted as part of the solution to ours.
You reckon it might be worthwhile waiting for the report of the Tax working group and the announcement of policy before getting into full scare campaign mode?

Australia has a CGT. Unfortunately that doesn't act alone in the housing market which is the key area a CGT addresses. They also have the negative gearing policy which allows loss making investments to be claimed as tax deductible. So if we owned a place and rented it out but the rental income fell under the cost of investment (mortgage etc) then it's a loss maker and negatively geared. That skews the market heavily in favour of investors obviously, so the CGT effect is minor. They also enjoyed years of a First Home Buyers' Scheme that saw grants given to buyers to aid purchases. That blew the market up like a puffer fish within months, something the NZ market hasn't been subjected to. So a direct comparison is difficult to make there...which shouldn't dissuade us from attempting some control over excessive profiteering which a CGT should do.

Bill uses the example of a Lotto win being taxed. The Aussies don't tax Lotto wins... in the year you win it's a windfall and not capital you've invested. Proceeds of that will be taxed in following years though as you'll presumably be gaining as a result.
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guy smiley wrote:
Bill uses the example of a Lotto win being taxed. The Aussies don't tax Lotto wins... in the year you win it's a windfall and not capital you've invested. Proceeds of that will be taxed in following years though as you'll presumably be gaining as a result.
Same as NZ on that front then.
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Post by guy smiley »

Jay Cee Gee wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Bill uses the example of a Lotto win being taxed. The Aussies don't tax Lotto wins... in the year you win it's a windfall and not capital you've invested. Proceeds of that will be taxed in following years though as you'll presumably be gaining as a result.
Same as NZ on that front then.

Yeah, it's only fair. I can't see how the introduction of a CGT would change that.
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