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Gordon Bennett wrote:So, the guy who assaulted James Shaw gets name suppression, partly because "it might impact on his business". Pfft. Should have thought of the consequences before, really.

It is interim, doubt it will last very long.

Mr Mike wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:So, the guy who assaulted James Shaw gets name suppression, partly because "it might impact on his business". Pfft. Should have thought of the consequences before, really.

It is interim, doubt it will last very long.

Probably so. So, one wonders - what is the point if the reason is that it might impact on his business. Its easy to think that in some circumstances, name suppression is granted too readily.

Gordon Bennett wrote:

Mr Mike wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:So, the guy who assaulted James Shaw gets name suppression, partly because "it might impact on his business". Pfft. Should have thought of the consequences before, really.

It is interim, doubt it will last very long.

Probably so. So, one wonders - what is the point if the reason is that it might impact on his business. Its easy to think that in some circumstances, name suppression is granted too readily.

I suspect that was just one of the grounds the defense advanced.

Jacinda doing a great job on Telly ATM

Haven't we been over this? Any appeal against the refusal of name suppression buys an extra couple of days as a matter of due process. That's probably all that's happened here.

Reporters using the book of dumb questions. "Is it a hate crime?"

obelixtim wrote:Reporters using the book of dumb questions. "Is it a hate crime?"

Yes, but thought that the PM handled that very well.

obelixtim wrote:Reporters using the book of dumb questions. "Is it a hate crime?"

How old was the reporter? 12?

Politics is off the agenda tonight my friends. No words. Innocence lost.

Jacinta- A+++

Winnie - a big fat F.

Fat Old Git wrote:Jacinta- A+++

Winnie - a big fat F.

What has Winnie done this time

He chickened out - or was under the misguided belief that just his presence there (like a US Carrier) would be enough to bring Obewon into line.

Enzedder wrote:He chickened out - or was under the misguided belief that just his presence there (like a US Carrier) would be enough to bring Obewon into line.

It certainly seemed like he set off to Turkey with the intention of putting Erdogan in his place but was cowed by the powerful dictator once he arrived. Poor show. Should have just stayed home and voiced our disapproval from here as the Aussie PM has done.

Geez I know you're a full on lefty Guy Smiley but I didn't take you for a full on Winston First apologist. If he was part of a coalition with National I'm sure you'd be preaching from your high horse about Winston's failings but since he's part of a Labour lead coalition he's A Ok.

Peters clearly said and also clearly implied he was going to have words with the guy when over there. And then he said he didn't even bring it up. So it's a logical conclusion to say he dropped his balls when faced with a genuine dictator. Peters has always being a mediocre diplomat, it's not his first rodeo either.

Sorry Guy but Sunday attention span doesn't stretc h that far.

I based it on Peters saying that he didn't need to raise the subject of the video and his speech as "he had stopped doing it"

He also appeared to be asleep at the meeting he was at. Maybe that's why he didn't raised the concerns that he was supposedly going to address about how the footage was being used and the message that was going with it.

Enzedder wrote:Sorry Guy but Sunday attention span doesn't stretc h that far.

I based it on Peters saying that he didn't need to raise the subject of the video and his speech as "he had stopped doing it"

Yep and then a day or so later he started doing it again, he (Peters ) totally capitulated and the trip was a complete and utter waste of time and money

Here you go Guy. If Peter's didn't say it himself our PM did.

A diplomatic upset is brewing after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said any Australians or New Zealanders who came to Turkey with anti-Muslim sentiments would be sent back in a coffin "like your grandfathers were" during the WWI Gallipoli campaign. "Our Deputy Prime Minister will be confronting those comments in Turkey," Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told reporters today in Christchurch.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zea ... ant=tb_v_1

guy smiley wrote:I think some of you may want to rethink this Winnie bashing.

Yeah apparently when he appeared to be nodding off during Erdogan's speech and at other times during the meeting he was actually fully focused and aware of the proceedings.

The criticism he has received has been totally uncalled for ...

Not at all. This line of discussion started with a couple of posts above from FOG and Enz. You came riding in on your white horse to defend Winnie and I responded accordingly.

guy smiley wrote:I think some of you may want to rethink this Winnie bashing.

Do you think that the trip he made was worthwhile and effective? If so please enlighten

guy smiley wrote:

booji boy wrote:Not at all. This line of discussion started with a couple of posts above from FOG and Enz. You came riding in on your white horse to defend Winnie and I responded accordingly.

As in, boots and all.

the full story regarding what was said and when, along with what was accomplished seems to be a lot more involved than what the esteemed NZ media are reporting.

Care to comment on that?

How do/would you know that, you doing a bit of reading between the lines adding 2 + 2 and coming up with the square root of Pi? You’re doing a Winnie in defending Winnie...”I know thing you don’t so don’t question me...”

I tend towards Guy's view but can see the other side too. Anyhoo it all seems pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme. I have been much more interested in the Greens determination to politicize this massacre. Can't help but feel they are alienating themselves from moderate potential voters and pushing them towards Labour much in the way Turei did at the last election. Time will tell I guess.

Kahu wrote:I tend towards Guy's view but can see the other side too. Anyhoo it all seems pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme. I have been much more interested in the Greens determination to politicize this massacre. Can't help but feel they are alienating themselves from moderate potential voters and pushing them towards Labour much in the way Turei did at the last election. Time will tell I guess.

I hadn't picked up on this, what have the Greens been up to?

As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

Our PM told us he was going to Turkey to 'confront' Erdogan's comments. When he arrived there he didn't, appearing to back down. Quite frankly I don't blame him. Not much value in blowing this up into a bigger diplomatic incident than it already is. But it was still an apparent back down by Peters.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing, you can't blame the poor old chap after such a long flight to a different timezone etc. The speeches were probably really boring too. I think we can all relate. I've certainly been there, done that.

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing

Winston looked like he was taking the “send them home in coffins” very seriously there for a moment.

Mr Mike wrote:

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing

Winston looked like he was taking the “send them home in coffins” very seriously there for a moment.

Since the other thread is locked (at 50 pages too, which I think is quite nice), I'll leave this here.

Quite a nice gesture

Nice touch that the other thread is locked.

Auckman wrote:Since the other thread is locked (at 50 pages too, which I think is quite nice), I'll leave this here.

Quite a nice gesture

Spoiler: show

by customs during the 2mins silence.


I just wish they had 40 staff on there at all other times

Ballsy, making people all ready pissed off for waiting to wait some more.

But agree, nice gesture!

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

Our PM told us he was going to Turkey to 'confront' Erdogan's comments. When he arrived there he didn't, appearing to back down. Quite frankly I don't blame him. Not much value in blowing this up into a bigger diplomatic incident than it already is. But it was still an apparent back down by Peters.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing, you can't blame the poor old chap after such a long flight to a different timezone etc. The speeches were probably really boring too. I think we can all relate. I've certainly been there, done that.

Politician does exactly the right thing, the thing I claim I will do ... but I'll whine about it over multiple posts anyway.

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

Our PM told us he was going to Turkey to 'confront' Erdogan's comments. When he arrived there he didn't, appearing to back down. Quite frankly I don't blame him. Not much value in blowing this up into a bigger diplomatic incident than it already is. But it was still an apparent back down by Peters.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing, you can't blame the poor old chap after such a long flight to a different timezone etc. The speeches were probably really boring too. I think we can all relate. I've certainly been there, done that.

Politician does exactly the right thing, the thing I claim I will do ... but I'll whine about it over multiple posts anyway.

Whine?

We were commenting.

Guy Smiley was the only one having a whine over the treatment of his buddy Winne.

booji boy wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

Our PM told us he was going to Turkey to 'confront' Erdogan's comments. When he arrived there he didn't, appearing to back down. Quite frankly I don't blame him. Not much value in blowing this up into a bigger diplomatic incident than it already is. But it was still an apparent back down by Peters.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing, you can't blame the poor old chap after such a long flight to a different timezone etc. The speeches were probably really boring too. I think we can all relate. I've certainly been there, done that.

Politician does exactly the right thing, the thing I claim I will do ... but I'll whine about it over multiple posts anyway.

Whine?

We were commenting.

Guy Smiley was the only one having a whine over the treatment of his buddy Winne.

Whine? Wine? Uh oh Winebox?

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

Our PM told us he was going to Turkey to 'confront' Erdogan's comments. When he arrived there he didn't, appearing to back down. Quite frankly I don't blame him. Not much value in blowing this up into a bigger diplomatic incident than it already is. But it was still an apparent back down by Peters.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing, you can't blame the poor old chap after such a long flight to a different timezone etc. The speeches were probably really boring too. I think we can all relate. I've certainly been there, done that.

Politician does exactly the right thing, the thing I claim I will do ... but I'll whine about it over multiple posts anyway.

Whine?

We were commenting.

Guy Smiley was the only one having a whine over the treatment of his buddy Winne.

Whine? Wine? Uh oh Winebox?

I once went to the Cook Islands but my trip was more of a Beer Crate inquiry.

booji boy wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:As for Winston I'll leave it at this.

Our PM told us he was going to Turkey to 'confront' Erdogan's comments. When he arrived there he didn't, appearing to back down. Quite frankly I don't blame him. Not much value in blowing this up into a bigger diplomatic incident than it already is. But it was still an apparent back down by Peters.

He was asleep during the meeting which, whilst a tad embarrassing, you can't blame the poor old chap after such a long flight to a different timezone etc. The speeches were probably really boring too. I think we can all relate. I've certainly been there, done that.

Politician does exactly the right thing, the thing I claim I will do ... but I'll whine about it over multiple posts anyway.

Whine?

We were commenting.

Guy Smiley was the only one having a whine over the treatment of his buddy Winne.

Whine? Wine? Uh oh Winebox?

I once went to the Cook Islands but my trip was more of a Beer Crate inquiry.

I annoyingly haven't been back in about 3 years after regularly going once every two years for about 15 - 20 years. Must rectify that soon!

Last time I went to the Cook Islands there was a Category 3 Tropical Cyclone.

If I want destructive winds, I'll stay in Wellington.....

So David Seymour, desperate to court the votes of disaffected gun owners, had been wanting to force the Government to use urgency to pass the new gun control legislation. Unfortunately he was late to the house because he was too busy talking himself up to media.

It kind of reminds me of David Lange's line about Winston Peters who he famously said "would have been with us today if he hadn't been detained by a full-length mirror".

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christ ... er-urgency

Seymour Seymour Seymour

You can see here several MPs looking with smirks at Seymour's empty seat while Hipkins was tabling the motion.

Auckman wrote:

Seymour Seymour Seymour

You can see here several MPs looking with smirks at Seymour's empty seat while Hipkins was tabling the motion.

Saves him from actually voting against it I suppose.

I think he still got to vote. Just missed the chance to object to the process.