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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:24 am 
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You would rate Crusher Collins higher than bridges? Collins was complicit in that whole scandal involving her hubby and that Chinese company. Lady is a crook


She also came out the worst on dirty politics, being pretty tight with that fucktard Slater. Collins is a nasty piece of work who I want nowhere near the seat of power. Bridges is infinitely better.

Collins is a hideously corrupt person:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/jud ... s-minister


‘Nasty piece of work’.. “hideously corrupt’ - people need to get a grip

Btw -she was cleared in an admittedly limited investigation but hardly deserves these type of exaggerated comments


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Saw there was a petition raised to rename the country to "Aotearoa New Zealand"

How would people feel about that change


Aotearoa as a name for all of NZ is a modern invention. New Zealand is a much older name.

I'm not opposed to changing the name but it should be an accurate tradition, and not something that feels forced for the sake of bilingualism. It feels a little bit token.

The reality is there probably is not a suitable name and in that case it may be best to not change.


I think the calls shows how depressingly mono-lingual we are as a nation. Lots of countries have names that change depending on what language you are speaking.

English speakers visit Germany, French visit Allemagne, Spanish Alemania, Poles Niemcy. And the locals they all meet there live in Deutschland.


Obviously that's different.
NZ has dozens of variants in other languages. The fact there are no traditional variants in other language is testament to our country only being known to the world outside Polynesia for 250 years


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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but wrong is wrong.


:lol: it's right up there with pony tail pulling


Not really

Key's was being openly an idiot

Clark's was being openly dishonest


Nope - as stated above, Key's was sexual harassment.


:lol: ..yeh ok

You surely can’t be serious with that comment


Not at all really - just mimicking the seriousness of paintergate with ponytailgate

Caught a few.

I wish that was the worst our politicians descended to


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Saw there was a petition raised to rename the country to "Aotearoa New Zealand"

How would people feel about that change


Aotearoa as a name for all of NZ is a modern invention. New Zealand is a much older name.

I'm not opposed to changing the name but it should be an accurate tradition, and not something that feels forced for the sake of bilingualism. It feels a little bit token.

The reality is there probably is not a suitable name and in that case it may be best to not change.


I think the calls shows how depressingly mono-lingual we are as a nation.


Tell me about it.

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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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What was worse than paintergate was when she hung the police out to dry when they raced her up the south island to catch a flight. The cops all got convictions and she denied any responsibility.

And when she leaked sensitive information about a case involving Commissioner Doone and did the whole Nixon-esque "I cannot leak" routine. Doone had to eventually resign over that incident and was replaced by Rob Robinson who happened to be the commissioner that decided not to charge Clark after paintergate.

And let's not forget the ten's of thousands of dollars worth of taxpayer funds misappropriated by Labour for the pledge cards which was then retrospectively made legal after the election.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Aotearoa refers to the North Island.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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What was worse than paintergate was when she hung the police out to dry when they raced her up the south island to catch a flight. The cops all got convictions and she denied any responsibility.

And when she leaked sensitive information about a case involving Commissioner Doone and did the whole Nixon-esque "I cannot leak" routine. Doone had to eventually resign over that incident and was replaced by Rob Robinson who happened to be the commissioner that decided not to charge Clark after paintergate.

And let's not forget the ten's of thousands of dollars worth of taxpayer funds misappropriated by Labour for the pledge cards which was then retrospectively made legal after the election.


Try $768,000

Labour Party: $768,000
New Zealand First $150,400
Green Party $80,900
United Future $63,800
Act $17,800
National Party $11,300
Māori Party $48

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_New_ ... ral_report

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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Aotearoa refers to the North Island.

Nu Tireni was the name used in the Treaty of Waitangi documents.

I wonder if Jacinda knew that.


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I did when she was at university. Fark she was hot. 9/10


We have rules Sir!

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Aotearoa refers to the North Island.

Nu Tireni was the name used in the Treaty of Waitangi documents.

I wonder if Jacinda knew that.


Yeah, she didnt.... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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What was worse than paintergate was when she hung the police out to dry when they raced her up the south island to catch a flight. The cops all got convictions and she denied any responsibility.

And when she leaked sensitive information about a case involving Commissioner Doone and did the whole Nixon-esque "I cannot leak" routine. Doone had to eventually resign over that incident and was replaced by Rob Robinson who happened to be the commissioner that decided not to charge Clark after paintergate.

And let's not forget the ten's of thousands of dollars worth of taxpayer funds misappropriated by Labour for the pledge cards which was then retrospectively made legal after the election.


I was about to post this. May not have committed any criminal offence herself but it showed her complete lack of character letting her driver and the other police officers involved take the rap while teflon Helen pleaded ignorance.


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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Ah

Here was what I was talking about earlier with Hipkins.

Slightly disorganised and triggered

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... plies.html


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Dark wrote:
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours


I don’t mean on policy. I mean she deliberately spread fake news from a dodgy site and doubled down on it when challenged. As far as her followers are concerned, the article she posted was true. She never retracted her comments or admitted to any of it being wrong.

Very Trump-esque


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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours


I don’t mean on policy. I mean she deliberately spread fake news from a dodgy site and doubled down on it when challenged. As far as her followers are concerned, the article she posted was true. She never retracted her comments or admitted to any of it being wrong.

Very Trump-esque


Making Aotearoa great again?


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Ah

Here was what I was talking about earlier with Hipkins.

Slightly disorganised and triggered

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... plies.html

But, but..
They're the most transparent goverment ever.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Ah

Here was what I was talking about earlier with Hipkins.

Slightly disorganised and triggered

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... plies.html


That Hipkins is a juvenile looking twat isn't he!


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours


I don’t mean on policy. I mean she deliberately spread fake news from a dodgy site and doubled down on it when challenged. As far as her followers are concerned, the article she posted was true. She never retracted her comments or admitted to any of it being wrong.

Very Trump-esque


If all you have against Trump is fake news and the fact he is a misogynistic, racist, seemingly nearly imbecilic idiot, without mentioning his actual policy, then maybe yes, Collins was the one who fell for a fake story and is none of the rest and tweeted it.

Think it is a bit of a stretch to then call her NZ Trump when we have Winston.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Dark wrote:
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours

I thought that their attitude to the TPP was the same as Trump's too.
Turns out I was wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Dark wrote:
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Dark wrote:
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours


I don’t mean on policy. I mean she deliberately spread fake news from a dodgy site and doubled down on it when challenged. As far as her followers are concerned, the article she posted was true. She never retracted her comments or admitted to any of it being wrong.

Very Trump-esque


If all you have against Trump is fake news and the fact he is a misogynistic, racist, seemingly nearly imbecilic idiot, without mentioning his actual policy, then maybe yes, Collins was the one who fell for a fake story and is none of the rest and tweeted it.

Think it is a bit of a stretch to then call her NZ Trump when we have Winston.


Trumps policies on immigration are nothing new. His attitude to the media and his love for twitter are. Collins is obviously not that bad, but the story I posted is a worrying sign - mainly because she never admitted to being wrong.


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Wilderbeast wrote:
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Wilderbeast wrote:
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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours


I don’t mean on policy. I mean she deliberately spread fake news from a dodgy site and doubled down on it when challenged. As far as her followers are concerned, the article she posted was true. She never retracted her comments or admitted to any of it being wrong.

Very Trump-esque


If all you have against Trump is fake news and the fact he is a misogynistic, racist, seemingly nearly imbecilic idiot, without mentioning his actual policy, then maybe yes, Collins was the one who fell for a fake story and is none of the rest and tweeted it.

Think it is a bit of a stretch to then call her NZ Trump when we have Winston.


Trumps policies on immigration are nothing new. His attitude to the media and his love for twitter are. Collins is obviously not that bad, but the story I posted is a worrying sign - mainly because she never admitted to being wrong.


Fair point, but if you wanted NZ politicians hung out for not admitting they were wrong for making dumb mistakes and not admitting it, she would be a long list.

Top of head even bigger ones

Clark and the Pledge cards
Key and his ill-advised (I'm not going to say dumb as it was straight after and emotion was flying) comments after Pike River, and not following through enough

Lesser

Ardern and what a GDP is

Winston and Huka Lodge being sold to the Chinese (this guy could write his own dictionary on bullshit not admitted)

Joyce the hole

There is bound to be Bridges ones, but can't be bothered, too late


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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So...who the hell says "All sizzle and no sausage"? It's "All sizzle and no steak", ffs.


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So...who the hell says "All sizzle and no sausage"? It's "All sizzle and no steak", ffs.


Twyford in the house years and years ago about National Standards which got heaps of laughs from Labour.

They are obviously using it as a pay back.

Which is dumb as no one remembers and it sounds like a joke about no penis.

Will link to it when I'm next at a computer


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How stupid.

Though the arguments about sexism & mansplaining in the ad are also stupid. It's a shit ad, but arguing about its content actually makes it more effective as it gets the message out there even more. Stupid woke lefties.


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)

I would avoid linking cars and houses, many would claim they were one and the same under National... ;)


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)


LOL - nah, waaaaay less than that

Mr Mike :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Thing is, that was one particular piece of legislation from National that I liked


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So...who the hell says "All sizzle and no sausage"? It's "All sizzle and no steak", ffs.


Twyford in the house years and years ago about National Standards which got heaps of laughs from Labour.

They are obviously using it as a pay back.

Which is dumb as no one remembers and it sounds like a joke about no penis.

Will link to it when I'm next at a computer



Sorry to take so long

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Hon Anne Tolley: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. This bill is about national standards. It has nothing to do with national testing. I ask you to remind the member on his feet to speak to the bill.

The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker): That is not a point of order. It is a debating point, and the member knows that.

PHIL TWYFORD: The so-called long tail of underachievement is indeed a very serious problem, and it is one that I do not doubt that every member of this House, on both sides of the aisle, cares about. But this bill has nothing to offer. It is all sizzle and no sausage. It does not introduce anything new—actually, it recognises explicitly that effective assessment tools are already at work in our schools.


https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard ... -amendment


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Mr Mike wrote:
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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)

I would avoid linking cars and houses, many would claim they were one and the same under National... ;)


:lol: not bad.


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Saw there was a petition raised to rename the country to "Aotearoa New Zealand"

How would people feel about that change


Aotearoa as a name for all of NZ is a modern invention. New Zealand is a much older name.

I'm not opposed to changing the name but it should be an accurate tradition, and not something that feels forced for the sake of bilingualism. It feels a little bit token.

The reality is there probably is not a suitable name and in that case it may be best to not change.


I think the calls shows how depressingly mono-lingual we are as a nation. Lots of countries have names that change depending on what language you are speaking.

English speakers visit Germany, French visit Allemagne, Spanish Alemania, Poles Niemcy. And the locals they all meet there live in Deutschland.


Errr what?

Do you think New Zealand is called New Zealand in every other language?


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Shes the closest thing we have to trump imo, active on Twitter and happy to spread fake news.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... news-story

Edit: re Judith Collins


Not sure

Trumps immigration policys are closer to Winston and Labours

I thought that their attitude to the TPP was the same as Trump's too.
Turns out I was wrong.


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You actually follow that account don't you Bill? You silly old twunt.


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Saw there was a petition raised to rename the country to "Aotearoa New Zealand"

How would people feel about that change


Aotearoa as a name for all of NZ is a modern invention. New Zealand is a much older name.

I'm not opposed to changing the name but it should be an accurate tradition, and not something that feels forced for the sake of bilingualism. It feels a little bit token.

The reality is there probably is not a suitable name and in that case it may be best to not change.


I think the calls shows how depressingly mono-lingual we are as a nation. Lots of countries have names that change depending on what language you are speaking.

English speakers visit Germany, French visit Allemagne, Spanish Alemania, Poles Niemcy. And the locals they all meet there live in Deutschland.


Errr what?

Do you think New Zealand is called New Zealand in every other language?


No. I was actually trying to make the opposite point.

If you're speaking English than it's New Zealand, if you're speaking Maori it's Aotearoa, if you're speaking french it's Nouvelle-Zélande, if you're speaking turkish it's Yeni Zelanda, etc etc.

English and Maori are both official languages, so they're both official names for the country. So why combine them?


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That’s an interesting point, but it’s not a change of translation so not quite the same. New Zealand doesn’t translate to Aotearoa.


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Saw there was a petition raised to rename the country to "Aotearoa New Zealand"

How would people feel about that change


Aotearoa as a name for all of NZ is a modern invention. New Zealand is a much older name.

I'm not opposed to changing the name but it should be an accurate tradition, and not something that feels forced for the sake of bilingualism. It feels a little bit token.

The reality is there probably is not a suitable name and in that case it may be best to not change.


I think the calls shows how depressingly mono-lingual we are as a nation. Lots of countries have names that change depending on what language you are speaking.

English speakers visit Germany, French visit Allemagne, Spanish Alemania, Poles Niemcy. And the locals they all meet there live in Deutschland.


Errr what?

Do you think New Zealand is called New Zealand in every other language?


No. I was actually trying to make the opposite point.

If you're speaking English than it's New Zealand, if you're speaking Maori it's Aotearoa, if you're speaking french it's Nouvelle-Zélande, if you're speaking turkish it's Yeni Zelanda, etc etc.

English and Maori are both official languages, so they're both official names for the country. So why combine them?


That is true and in many parts of the world and Trump call us "Where?"

Think the "?" is an inflection like an umlaut


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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That’s an interesting point, but it’s not a change of translation so not quite the same. New Zealand doesn’t translate to Aotearoa.


Why does it need to? Mt Cook doesn't translate to Aoraki, but people speaking either language know what you are referring to regardless.

Yes, most names for NZ in other languages are versions of the English name, but that's only because, as someone pointed out earlier, for most of them the existence of these islands were not even known about until recently.


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