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It's a strange world we live in. I saw several adverts on TV last night where men are shown as being idiot's and women as being smarter. One in particular where the women puts the man in his place by correcting him. Yet they don't generate any level of outrage.


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It's a strange world we live in. I saw several adverts on TV last night where men are shown as being idiot's and women as being smarter. One in particular where the women puts the man in his place by correcting him. Yet they don't generate any level of outrage.


No, it’s the narrative of the day. But at least some marketers can read it. Maybe National should approach them?


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It's a strange world we live in. I saw several adverts on TV last night where men are shown as being idiot's and women as being smarter. One in particular where the women puts the man in his place by correcting him. Yet they don't generate any level of outrage.

That's just your toxic masculinity asserting itself FOG.


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Tbh, it never used to bother me at all, and I didn't really give it a second thought. Then I started raising a son and started considering what message he might be picking up.


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Tbh, it never used to bother me at all, and I didn't really give it a second thought. Then I started raising a son and started considering what message he might be picking up.


Kids will make you question everything.


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Tbh, it never used to bother me at all, and I didn't really give it a second thought. Then I started raising a son and started considering what message he might be picking up.


Kids will make you question everything.


Very true. You look at everything differently. I remember how our nice comfortable home transformed overnight into a den of dangerous hazards with sharp corners etc. everywhere.


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Fat Old Git wrote:
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Tbh, it never used to bother me at all, and I didn't really give it a second thought. Then I started raising a son and started considering what message he might be picking up.


Kids will make you question everything.


Very true. You look at everything differently. I remember how our nice comfortable home transformed overnight into a den of dangerous hazards with sharp corners etc. everywhere.


I still freak out when I see choke hazards within reach, despite my daughter giving up putting everything off the floor in her mouth several months ago.

The filters I apply to what I say are ridiculous, and even then I don’t think I do enough.


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Hurry up Jacinda - where're the trees you promised?

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For those of you who want to have a look, the list of pecuniary interests is here: https://www.parliament.nz/media/4798/su ... -final.pdf


Nathan Guy seems to be doing well for himself.


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:lol: Very good.


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So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


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Politics 101. Always wind a way to distract from the issue at hand.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


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So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


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It's a pretty shit world where a man explaining something to a woman is automatically sexist. If they had two men, and the same words were used, would it still be mansplaining?

If the roles were reversed, would it be manshaming?


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booji boy wrote:
So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


The ad features a blonde being wide eyed and clueless, it is kind of sexist. And while we're on the subject of sexism, I'd like to give her a sausage.


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It's a pretty shit world where a man explaining something to a woman is automatically sexist. If they had two men, and the same words were used, would it still be mansplaining?

If the roles were reversed, would it be manshaming?


Well that's just the context of the world we live in. There used to be an ad where a guy didn't put his number in the yellow pages and ended up prison with a burly prisoner with the suggestion he was about to get raped. Probably couldn't get away with reversing the sex of that character.

Mansplaining cries do get annoying, but I'm sure any ad agency would be aware of the pitfalls of portraying your female character as gullible and naive and your male characters as clued in. But looking at the production quality, I doubt they went to an actual ad agency.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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It's those old, white, middle class males again.


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Dark wrote:
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booji boy wrote:
So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


The ad features a blonde being wide eyed and clueless, it is kind of sexist. And while we're on the subject of sexism, I'd like to give her a sausage.


It's not sexist, please. There's an ad on at the moment, travel agency one I think, where an attractive woman, engages with a man who is deliberately made to look both sleazy and dumb in a showoffy way by said attractive woman, where's the outcry?

Did the trivago girl get the job because of her bubbly personality or was it something else? Personally, I'm going with personality, both of them, but others might have a different view


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jambanja wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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Wilderbeast wrote:
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So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


The ad features a blonde being wide eyed and clueless, it is kind of sexist. And while we're on the subject of sexism, I'd like to give her a sausage.


It's not sexist, please. There's an ad on at the moment, travel agency one I think, where an attractive woman, engages with a man who is deliberately made to look both sleazy and dumb in a showoffy way by said attractive woman, where's the outcry?

Did the trivago girl get the job because of her bubbly personality or was it something else? Personally, I'm going with personality, both of them, but others might have a different view


It's not sexist only if you ignore decades of actual sexism & pretend dumb blonde female stereotypes aren't a thing. Yes, that travel agency ad is 'reverse sexist' but - like that prison rape example I gave earlier - you can get away with that when you're punching up (even though the ad is also terrible and lazy). Like I said, ad agencies know this.

Btw, it's also patent bollocks for another reason, I booked my family flights and hotels for a trip to Fiji and saved like $2K on what the travel agency had quoted.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
jambanja wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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Wilderbeast wrote:
Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


The ad features a blonde being wide eyed and clueless, it is kind of sexist. And while we're on the subject of sexism, I'd like to give her a sausage.


It's not sexist, please. There's an ad on at the moment, travel agency one I think, where an attractive woman, engages with a man who is deliberately made to look both sleazy and dumb in a showoffy way by said attractive woman, where's the outcry?

Did the trivago girl get the job because of her bubbly personality or was it something else? Personally, I'm going with personality, both of them, but others might have a different view


It's not sexist only if you ignore decades of actual sexism & pretend dumb blonde female stereotypes aren't a thing. Yes, that travel agency ad is 'reverse sexist' but - like that prison rape example I gave earlier - you can get away with that when you're punching up (even though the ad is also terrible and lazy). Like I said, ad agencies know this.

Btw, it's also patent bollocks for another reason, I booked my family flights and hotels for a trip to Fiji and saved like $2K on what the travel agency had quoted.


How dare you assume she is dumb, that says more about you than anything. The sooner we get past this terrible thing of assuming that every time you see a blond person in an advert that they are dumb, if anything she is smart and likes to engage in interesting topics, like housing shortages.


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Dark wrote:
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So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


Booji’s comment, and my response, were not questioning whether the ad was sexist. He hasn’t even seen it, of course he’s not going to argue it.


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This discussion about the ad sums up perfectly the priorities of the modern Labour Party.
Far more concerned about some imaginary sexist slight than about housing for the underprivileged.


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This discussion about the ad sums up perfectly the priorities of the modern Labour Party.
Far more concerned about some imaginary sexist slight than about housing for the underprivileged.


I've seen plenty of response to that ad, but none of it was from the Labour party...I'm sure some of them have commented on it but you're reaching if you think they're leading the charge.


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This discussion about the ad sums up perfectly the priorities of the modern Labour Party.
Far more concerned about some imaginary sexist slight than about housing for the underprivileged.


I've seen plenty of response to that ad, but none of it was from the Labour party...I'm sure some of them have commented on it but you're reaching if you think they're leading the charge.


Bill is right unfortunately, Twyford got stuck into the ad. Should’ve kept his mouth shut.


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For want of a better place, I'm throwing this LINK in here for discussion..

I have no idea as to its veracity or origin. A mate, your typical Lowry Bay denizen, sent me the link after we'd had an interesting discussion on politics, taxes, Brexit, Trump and what's up with the poor, all over a couple of ales of course. He especially urged me to view the TED video. Now I am starting to doubt his credentials.


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No matter how that advert was filmed there was always going to be a way for identity politics to attack it. I'm waiting for the call for it to be racist because they're all white actors.

In other news

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/cannabis-clash-chloe-swarbrick-takes-on-duncan-garner.html

Duncan Garner imo was completely owned in this interview by the more impressive by the day Chloe Swarbrick. Needs to become a pornhub meme 'middle aged man wrecked by young girl'


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No matter how that advert was filmed there was always going to be a way for identity politics to attack it. I'm waiting for the call for it to be racist because they're all white actors.

In other news

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/cannabis-clash-chloe-swarbrick-takes-on-duncan-garner.html

Duncan Garner imo was completely owned in this interview by the more impressive by the day Chloe Swarbrick. Needs to become a pornhub meme 'middle aged man wrecked by young girl'


Really? I don't think she answered any fears that people may have and all she did was bang on about the semantics of liberalisation vs legalisation.

So it will be illegal to sell to under 18s, you mean like it is now? How hard do you think it is for your average 14 year old to get alcohol right now. They are going to regulate the potency, great, the black market will love that, keeps them alive.

That being said i think legalising it is inevitable, I just wish people would stop banging the it's harmless drum.


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So, Kiwisaver. Will it be exempt from any CGT?


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No matter how that advert was filmed there was always going to be a way for identity politics to attack it. I'm waiting for the call for it to be racist because they're all white actors.

In other news

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/cannabis-clash-chloe-swarbrick-takes-on-duncan-garner.html

Duncan Garner imo was completely owned in this interview by the more impressive by the day Chloe Swarbrick. Needs to become a pornhub meme 'middle aged man wrecked by young girl'


Really? I don't think she answered any fears that people may have and all she did was bang on about the semantics of liberalisation vs legalisation.

So it will be illegal to sell to under 18s, you mean like it is now? How hard do you think it is for your average 14 year old to get alcohol right now. They are going to regulate the potency, great, the black market will love that, keeps them alive.

That being said i think legalising it is inevitable, I just wish people would stop banging the it's harmless drum.



He was schooled by her... unfortunately he's too dumb to know it.

Chloe is one of the better pollies in the country.


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So, Kiwisaver. Will it be exempt from any CGT?


Yes and no. The funds themselves may be taxed, which would mean you will have less come retirement, but for people earning 48-70k, there may be a tax break on the employers contribution. I think the headline in the article below is a bit misleading, especially for those earning close to the 70k mark, again there are a number of variables, like what kind of Kiwisaver scheme you have etc
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110631167/tax-plan-more-silver-lining-than-cloud-for-most-kiwisavers


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No matter how that advert was filmed there was always going to be a way for identity politics to attack it. I'm waiting for the call for it to be racist because they're all white actors.

In other news

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/cannabis-clash-chloe-swarbrick-takes-on-duncan-garner.html

Duncan Garner imo was completely owned in this interview by the more impressive by the day Chloe Swarbrick. Needs to become a pornhub meme 'middle aged man wrecked by young girl'


Really? I don't think she answered any fears that people may have and all she did was bang on about the semantics of liberalisation vs legalisation.

So it will be illegal to sell to under 18s, you mean like it is now? How hard do you think it is for your average 14 year old to get alcohol right now. They are going to regulate the potency, great, the black market will love that, keeps them alive.

That being said i think legalising it is inevitable, I just wish people would stop banging the it's harmless drum.



He was schooled by her... unfortunately he's too dumb to know it.

Chloe is one of the better pollies in the country.


Well colour me dumb because I don't think anyone got schooled there, she did what politicians are good at and deflected any tough questions by quoting things as positives when in fact they made no real difference to the status quo. She certainly didn't do anything to allay any fears that parents and other interest groups may have, again by going on about the difference between liberalisatin and legalisation. Which if you're a concerned person is just semantics, despite her being at pains to suggest that it isn't. I'd score this one as a nil all draw

If I was in government I too would be eager to get this across the line because of the potential to control certain aspects of it, that and the fact that it could become a great revenue earner, but to try and sell it as anything other than that is nonsense.


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Well colour me dumb because I don't think anyone got schooled there, she did what politicians are good at and deflected any tough questions by quoting things as positives when in fact they made no real difference to the status quo. She certainly didn't do anything to allay any fears that parents and other interest groups may have, again by going on about the difference between liberalisatin and legalisation. Which if you're a concerned person is just semantics, despite her being at pains to suggest that it isn't. I'd score this one as a nil all draw

If I was in government I too would be eager to get this across the line because of the potential to control certain aspects of it, that and the fact that it could become a great revenue earner, but to try and sell it as anything other than that is nonsense.



He's just going off there like a balloon let go, all huff and no substance. His empty hysterical rhetoric isn't based in fact and he's refusing to come back and argue simple basics, he prefers to maintain the bluster. That's what he's paid to do I guess, so it's all we'd expect... she just maintains the civil discourse and points out his errors and conflation calmly, without getting into any herself. The points she makes are valid, anyone concerned by the current situation related to weed in NZ should also see the sense in regulating the supply alone, without getting into any of the other strawmen he flung around in there like a desperado.

I had a conversation with a lady in a campground the other day about the revenue issue. It was all she could see in the whole debate... as if the idea of trying to regulate the availability of weed was only about revenue. That's a distraction, unfortunately it seems to be one that must be mentioned after decades of cost / expenditure arguments, that there will be an economic advantage to doing this but that's not the key issue here...

the issue is harm minimisation. That's what we're really talking about here and people like Garner hijacking debate are actually arguing for harm to continue unchecked.


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Aren't we aiming to be smoke free by 2025 or something like that?

Where does marijuana fit into this plan? Hash cookies? :P


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So let me get this straight. National do some lame arse advertisement (which I haven't seen BTW) taking the piss out of Labour's under achieving Kiwibuild program and it's being panned because it's sexist? FFS! :roll:


The fact that kiwibuild is shit doesn’t give you leeway to be sexist (let’s assume it is for the sake of this argument).


Let's not assume for the sake of argument

This argument tends to rely on said ad being sexist, and this bit is extremely arguable.

Bearing in mind we are living in an age where the opposition just calling Ardern "weak" got cries of extreme sexism.


Booji’s comment, and my response, were not questioning whether the ad was sexist. He hasn’t even seen it, of course he’s not going to argue it.


So what was the point of your response? :?


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Yes and no. The funds themselves may be taxed, which would mean you will have less come retirement, but for people earning 48-70k, there may be a tax break on the employers contribution. I think the headline in the article below is a bit misleading, especially for those earning close to the 70k mark, again there are a number of variables, like what kind of Kiwisaver scheme you have etc
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110631167/tax-plan-more-silver-lining-than-cloud-for-most-kiwisavers


Thanks. Lot's of "if", "but"s and "It depends" in that article.


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Aren't we aiming to be smoke free by 2025 or something like that?

Where does marijuana fit into this plan? Hash cookies? :P



Yeah... there is that. I think it's still worth continuing with the proposal though. Regulation of supply is still less harmful than not and tobacco, being regulated, can be effectively removed from market. Weed can't. So iregulating weed makes even more sense. :nod:


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So, Kiwisaver. Will it be exempt from any CGT?


Yes and no. The funds themselves may be taxed, which would mean you will have less come retirement, but for people earning 48-70k, there may be a tax break on the employers contribution. I think the headline in the article below is a bit misleading, especially for those earning close to the 70k mark, again there are a number of variables, like what kind of Kiwisaver scheme you have etc
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110631167/tax-plan-more-silver-lining-than-cloud-for-most-kiwisavers


Thanks. Lot's of "if", "but"s and "It depends" in that article.


There's a lot more of 'none of this is known' though.


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There's a lot more of 'none of this is known' though.


That won't stop it being reported as fact!


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guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Aren't we aiming to be smoke free by 2025 or something like that?

Where does marijuana fit into this plan? Hash cookies? :P



Yeah... there is that. I think it's still worth continuing with the proposal though. Regulation of supply is still less harmful than not and tobacco, being regulated, can be effectively removed from market. Weed can't. So iregulating weed makes even more sense. :nod:


In January I went skiing in Canada. Had a couple of days in Vancouver when we first arrived and kept getting whiffs of it everywhere we went. On a bus I thought a female beside me was smoking it but she just had a stash in a plastic bag and wasn't actually lighting up. Finally I googled it and discovered it has recently been legalised there. October last year to be exact. I have friends in Seattle and it's been legal there for years too. They think it's a positive thing as authorities are able to regulate and tax it. For that reason alone I'm amazed Taxcinda hasn't included it in the TWG scope.


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