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Re: NZ Politics Thread - NEW ZEALAND IS NOW IN LOCKDOWN.

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:52 am
by sonic_attack
The 3-ply earloop masks were flying off the shelf behind the counter at the pharmacy i was at for $5 a piece 3 days ago.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:07 am
by JB1981
85 new cases (confirmed and probable) and a first case in ICU :(.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:21 am
by booji boy
Enzedder wrote:
booji boy wrote:
I've learned from bitter experience that the ceiling in my house and garage is too low even for full practice swings. :lol: :blush: (fortunately the wife didn't notice and we've since had the ceiling painted so the gibstoppers saved the day :lol: ).

Snap - but I shattered a light fitting :blush: :blush:
WHOA! :shock: :lol:

To avoid that I've always swung well away from the light fitting. But once while trying to see my reflection in the ranch slider glass doors I must have been within millimetres of smashing the light fitting at the top of my backswing. It would have been fun explaining that to my wife. :blush:

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:25 am
by Enzedder
Yep - top of the backswing. I couldn't hide it from the Mrs - she was about 3 feet away telling me not to do it.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:28 am
by MungoMan
Enzedder wrote:Yep - top of the backswing. I couldn't hide it from the Mrs - she was about 3 feet away telling me not to do it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You monumental klutz!

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:30 am
by Enzedder
Aw c'mon. I only did it once

(But of course I had to replace all of the light fittings as our one was no longer in stock - thanks AMI)

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:30 am
by Fat Old Git
Enzedder wrote:Aw c'mon. I only did it once
Did you say "hold my beer" first?

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:33 am
by Enzedder
Fat Old Git wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Aw c'mon. I only did it once
Did you say "hold my beer" first?

We never said that back in my day

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:47 am
by terangi48
Jambanja - go and get your mrs hairdrier, an umbrella, a bucket and a pingpong ball to get your daily golf kick.

Turn on the hairdier to full revs, and set the ball over the air current.....the ball will sit there.

See how many hits it takes to get the ball into the bucket in the lounge.......

Image

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:49 am
by jambanja
terangi48 wrote:Jambanja - go and get your mrs hairdrier, an umbrella, a bucket and a pingpong ball to get your daily golf kick.

Turn on the hairdier to full revs, and set the ball over the air current.....the ball will sit there.

See how many hits it takes to get the ball into the bucket in the lounge.......

Image
:lol: Looks fun

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:05 am
by Flockwitt
FFS. My auto select internet ads are now displaying funeral directors...

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:14 am
by Jeff the Bear
JB1981 wrote:85 new cases (confirmed and probable) and a first case in ICU :(.
Isn't 85 almost a stable number compared to yesterday (as opposed to the major uptick expected from an exponential distribution of the disease)?

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:43 am
by terangi48
Tehui: Good estimate for Day 2.......359.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:57 am
by booji boy
Enzedder wrote:Yep - top of the backswing. I couldn't hide it from the Mrs - she was about 3 feet away telling me not to do it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:59 am
by Tehui
terangi48 wrote:Tehui: Good estimate for Day 2.......359.
Yeah, 368 is not too far off 359, but we'll see how it tracks over the next few days. Eight people are receiving hospital level care, so if we continue to track via the modeling estimate, I wonder at what point our health system will come under pressure.
Tehui wrote: Here's my amateur predictive modeling of NZ's Covid-19 infections for the next 10 days based on a conservative 25% daily increase.

Day 1 - 287
Day 2 - 359
Day 3 - 449
Day 4 - 561
Day 5 - 702
Day 6 - 878
Day 7 - 1,098
Day 8 - 1,373
Day 9 - 1,716
Day 10 - 2,145

After day 10 we can expect to see the effects of our current lock down situation.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:09 am
by jambanja
Fat Old Git wrote:
jambanja wrote:I hope people like this get blamed and shamed, imagine price gouging on something like hand sanitiser in a time like this, fuckwits :x

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... -sanitiser
Iirc some dairies etc price gouged after the Christchurch quakes. Think many of them when bust later as people remembered.

My local dairy remained open with the door barricaded to stop people coming into the shop while it was covered in broken glass and never once put their prices up. Something people have also remembered, so they have remained well supported.
I have just this afternoon managed to procure some hand sanitiser for my staff at the princely sum of $28.54 per liter, fudge those price gouging fuckwits, I hope you're right about people not forgetting, they don't deserve to stay in business

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:24 am
by sonic_attack
I have to say, of all the shit concerning this I've been watching around the world, New Zealand might just have got this right. Early days yet of course and entirely up to us as a population to listen and do what has been asked.

But apart from nitpicking, Cindy and the whole crew have done a bloody good job. Gave kiwi's a good shot at getting home in time by keeping borders open as long as they could and in turn keeping the flights heading here, it's looking like there was solid action very early to have this punched out like a f**king textbook pandemic plan.

Pretty bloody well done all round so far.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:48 am
by eugenius
I think so !

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:29 am
by the curse
sonic_attack wrote:I have to say, of all the shit concerning this I've been watching around the world, New Zealand might just have got this right. Early days yet of course and entirely up to us as a population to listen and do what has been asked.

But apart from nitpicking, Cindy and the whole crew have done a bloody good job. Gave kiwi's a good shot at getting home in time by keeping borders open as long as they could and in turn keeping the flights heading here, it's looking like there was solid action very early to have this punched out like a f**king textbook pandemic plan.

Pretty bloody well done all round so far.
will be watching intently from Sydney (where cases are starting to grow significantly)... mind you , when they let 2700 people walk off a cruise ship into the general population with known cases on board, our growth was always going to escalate.

I do hope the swift action back home really proves effective.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:34 am
by Fat Old Git
sonic_attack wrote:I have to say, of all the shit concerning this I've been watching around the world, New Zealand might just have got this right. Early days yet of course and entirely up to us as a population to listen and do what has been asked.

But apart from nitpicking, Cindy and the whole crew have done a bloody good job. Gave kiwi's a good shot at getting home in time by keeping borders open as long as they could and in turn keeping the flights heading here, it's looking like there was solid action very early to have this punched out like a f**king textbook pandemic plan.

Pretty bloody well done all round so far.
Agreed, it's a situation unlikely anything we've ever experienced before, so there will be plenty of mistakes and things that won't be quite right first time, but I think they've done a very good job so far, and are adapting when issues become apparent.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:49 am
by Auckman
the curse wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:I have to say, of all the shit concerning this I've been watching around the world, New Zealand might just have got this right. Early days yet of course and entirely up to us as a population to listen and do what has been asked.

But apart from nitpicking, Cindy and the whole crew have done a bloody good job. Gave kiwi's a good shot at getting home in time by keeping borders open as long as they could and in turn keeping the flights heading here, it's looking like there was solid action very early to have this punched out like a f**king textbook pandemic plan.

Pretty bloody well done all round so far.
will be watching intently from Sydney (where cases are starting to grow significantly)... mind you , when they let 2700 people walk off a cruise ship into the general population with known cases on board, our growth was always going to escalate.
and then we had the Premier blaming it on Border Force and then Border Force putting the blame straight back on the state government. :roll:

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:52 am
by Muttonbirds
My home office (not that I have work anymore) faces the street near a well known maunga. The number of people walking and cycling and running has exploded. I should do a count like obelixtim with the cars on Maioro St.

There's going to be a nation of fit specimens in about a month's time...after which they'll all return being to being fat I guess.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:56 am
by Auckman
Anyway, the NZ stats are better to look at:

total cases: 368
- new cases: 85
- recovered: 37
- in hospital: 8
- in ICU: 1
- dead: 0

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:14 am
by terangi48
Yeah.....the exercise thing. The update today was hesitant in more concrete advice to the bubblers.

Immediate area was my understanding for exercise....say within 1-2km.......not use of the car to drive 5km, then exercise on bikes, surf boards, go shooting et al. If vague instructions are given, people will take a mie and they are.

Be more precise: car use to nearest supermarket and dispensary........walk for you exercise 1-2 km from home, or exercise at home.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:19 am
by deadduck
Grant Robertson has changed the subsidy again.

I'm glad, because it was confusing everyone. Our HR told everyone today that they unless they're declared a high risk case they have to come to work, which I guess is reasonable. But they also said that if you are told to stay at home to reduce headcount on site you have to take unpaid leave if you don't have annual leave, which is f*cked.

It needs to be clarified what the case is for employees who cannot work from home, are working in an essential business, but are not essential to that business and are told not to work by their employer.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:29 am
by Enzedder
My son's job is very much up in the air. He is in an essential business but half of their clients are not, so effectively their business size halved. They split the team into 2 groups in case one gets sick - lucky group works, unlucky ones don't and sit at home on $585pw gross.

When someone from group 1 gets sick, they are all sent home and group 2 comes into work. Talk about wanting your workmates to get sick

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:33 am
by deadduck
Enzedder wrote:My son's job is very much up in the air. He is in an essential business but half of their clients are not, so effectively their business size halved. They split the team into 2 groups in case one gets sick - lucky group works, unlucky ones don't and sit at home on $585pw gross.

When someone from group 1 gets sick, they are all sent home and group 2 comes into work. Talk about wanting your workmates to get sick
See apparently your son's employer is not legally obligated to pay them anything if they're not at work and aren't working at home. At least that's the line our HR tried to spin, but it sounds entirely unreasonable

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:44 am
by obelixtim
Car survey score for today. Maioro St. Thought I'd waste another 10 minutes of my valuable time today.

0735 - 0745. 115. (690 p/h)*

1121 - 1131. 70 (420 p/h) Thought this was a good sign.

1721 - 1731. 106 (636 p/h)*

* Rush hour, maybe a few essential workers commuting. Be interesting to see how this trends over the next week or so. I would expect to see a drop in the numbers if everyone gets serious.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:47 am
by Fat Old Git
We've tried to form discrete work shifts or pods where possible to limit the risk of losing an entire team. And those of us who can are working from home.

As far as I know we're paying all of our staff normally, but I don't think we have anyone in a position where we don't have any work for them.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:48 am
by Enzedder
deadduck wrote:
Enzedder wrote:My son's job is very much up in the air. He is in an essential business but half of their clients are not, so effectively their business size halved. They split the team into 2 groups in case one gets sick - lucky group works, unlucky ones don't and sit at home on $585pw gross.

When someone from group 1 gets sick, they are all sent home and group 2 comes into work. Talk about wanting your workmates to get sick
See apparently your son's employer is not legally obligated to pay them anything if they're not at work and aren't working at home. At least that's the line our HR tried to spin, but it sounds entirely unreasonable

They cannot get the wage subsidy (ergo the name of it) if he is not paid at least 20 hours pw. They cannot have their cake and eat it too. Burger King tried that and got pilloried.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:53 am
by Muttonbirds
obelixtim wrote:Car survey score for today. Maioro St. Thought I'd waste another 10 minutes of my valuable time today.

0735 - 0745. 115. (690 p/h)*

1121 - 1131. 70 (420 p/h) Thought this was a good sign.

1721 - 1731. 106 (636 p/h)*

* Rush hour, maybe a few essential workers commuting. Be interesting to see how this trends over the next week or so. I would expect to see a drop in the numbers if everyone gets serious.
But there are people who are looking after others in their group. There is quite a lot of work to be done looking after elderly or vulnerable family members in different parts of the city and Maioro Street is a main artery. That could be a reason for the traffic volume.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:23 am
by UncleFB
obelixtim wrote:Car survey score for today. Maioro St. Thought I'd waste another 10 minutes of my valuable time today.

0735 - 0745. 115. (690 p/h)*

1121 - 1131. 70 (420 p/h) Thought this was a good sign.

1721 - 1731. 106 (636 p/h)*

* Rush hour, maybe a few essential workers commuting. Be interesting to see how this trends over the next week or so. I would expect to see a drop in the numbers if everyone gets serious.
So do you have the hourly figure for a month ago, or 6 months ago, anything we can make a comparison to? Unless we know what the normal hourly rate we don't know whether this is "bad" or not.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:42 am
by obelixtim
UncleFB wrote:
obelixtim wrote:Car survey score for today. Maioro St. Thought I'd waste another 10 minutes of my valuable time today.

0735 - 0745. 115. (690 p/h)*

1121 - 1131. 70 (420 p/h) Thought this was a good sign.

1721 - 1731. 106 (636 p/h)*

* Rush hour, maybe a few essential workers commuting. Be interesting to see how this trends over the next week or so. I would expect to see a drop in the numbers if everyone gets serious.
So do you have the hourly figure for a month ago, or 6 months ago, anything we can make a comparison to? Unless we know what the normal hourly rate we don't know whether this is "bad" or not.
No I don't, but it would be in the several thousands p/h easily. From where I can see, normally, traffic is at a standstill, only moving when the lights at each end of Maioro St change. This is all day, every day.

So the reduction is significant, but I was just interested to see what was going on in our stay at home lockdown. Few of the vehicles are commercial vehicles (trucks). For want of something better to do, its easy to do this count for 10 minutes at a time. The early/late counts should cover quite a few essential workers commuting.

I'm still surprised at 600 odd vehicles per hour. That translates to several thousand per day, which seems an awful lot, especially as its a snapshot of one street in Akl, and especially as we are in lockdown.

On another note, I see a couple of kids from Marist college in Mt Albert which has a number of infections, have been disregarding the stay at home rule and going out to meet their mates.

The cops need to chuck them in a cell for a couple of days to get the message thru their thick skulls. Their parents need a good rark up as well.

I'll be interested to see if it changes over the next few days/weeks.

And on yet another note, some clown in Gisborne today decided to go surfing, despite being told not to. Got dumped heavily, injured his back, and had to be medevaced by chopper to Middlemore hospital in Auckland.

Darwin needs to take these morons quickly.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:50 am
by deadduck
Slow day huh?

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:52 am
by obelixtim
deadduck wrote:Slow day huh?
Every day is a slow day. Done all the odd jobs around the place that needed doing. Just another way to kill 30 minutes of the day.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:55 am
by Ted.
Fat Old Git wrote:
jambanja wrote:I hope people like this get blamed and shamed, imagine price gouging on something like hand sanitiser in a time like this, fuckwits :x

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... -sanitiser
Iirc some dairies etc price gouged after the Christchurch quakes. Think many of them when bust later as people remembered.

My local dairy remained open with the door barricaded to stop people coming into the shop while it was covered in broken glass and never once put their prices up. Something people have also remembered, so they have remained well supported.
Not far of the $70 a Newtown pharmacy wanted to charge mu sister for 500ml of hand sanitizer. She wanted it for my niece who is down to one transplanted kidney and is on immunosuppressant drugs, the heartless pricks. The local DHB is not supplying critical support such as masks, sanitizer or essential deliveries to vulnerable people like her, apparently, though I find that hard to believe.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:02 am
by obelixtim
Ted. wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
jambanja wrote:I hope people like this get blamed and shamed, imagine price gouging on something like hand sanitiser in a time like this, fuckwits :x

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... -sanitiser
Iirc some dairies etc price gouged after the Christchurch quakes. Think many of them when bust later as people remembered.

My local dairy remained open with the door barricaded to stop people coming into the shop while it was covered in broken glass and never once put their prices up. Something people have also remembered, so they have remained well supported.
Not far of the $70 a Newtown pharmacy wanted to charge mu sister for 500ml of hand sanitizer. She wanted it for my niece who is down to one transplanted kidney and is on immunosuppressant drugs, the heartless pricks. The local DHB is not supplying critical support such as masks, sanitizer or essential deliveries to vulnerable people like her, apparently, though I find that hard to believe.
What is the normal price?

Hand sanitizer is just soap, basically. Grind up a cake of soap and dissolve it in a plastic bottle. Or just use dishwashing liquid. Job done. You don't need to be ripped off like that.

And that pharmacy needs to be named and shamed, and dobbed in to Jacinda.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:14 am
by Tehui
obelixtim wrote:Car survey score for today. Maioro St. Thought I'd waste another 10 minutes of my valuable time today.

0735 - 0745. 115. (690 p/h)*

1121 - 1131. 70 (420 p/h) Thought this was a good sign.

1721 - 1731. 106 (636 p/h)*

* Rush hour, maybe a few essential workers commuting. Be interesting to see how this trends over the next week or so. I would expect to see a drop in the numbers if everyone gets serious.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 am
by BlueThunder
The NZTA traffic cams are eyrie. Like something out of The Quiet Earth.

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:36 am
by deadduck
obelixtim wrote: What is the normal price?

Hand sanitizer is just soap, basically. Grind up a cake of soap and dissolve it in a plastic bottle. Or just use dishwashing liquid. Job done. You don't need to be ripped off like that.

And that pharmacy needs to be named and shamed, and dobbed in to Jacinda.

This is really good advice if you want cracked and broken skin for weeks because you've been using soap without washing it off