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Tehui wrote:My voter history is a bit all over the place. If my memory is correct, the last three elections I've cast my party vote for three different parties. I remember updating my facebook status about 10 years ago saying that I will prostitute my vote to the highest bidder, and that offers of creamed paua and / or sexual favours would be looked upon more favourably. Caused quite a stir amongst some of my friends.

Enzedder wrote:I wonder how much they owe in "customer refunds" for pre-booked flights that were cancelled? I recall reading that it was over $1bn including overseas flights

Wilderbeast wrote:Germany does the grand coalition I believe.

Gordon Bennett wrote:

booji boy wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

JPNZ wrote:The latest poll results speak more about Bridges than actual politics. September's result is going to be a LOT closer than people believe.

Have to agree. Besides the economic recovery aspects Muller's going to pick up the conservative voters worrying about the referendum, the dissatisfied gun owners... there's going to be plenty going on.

Yeah it's interesting. I saw a lot of National voters on social media at the weekend admitting they were turned off so much by Bridges that they weren't going to vote National but Muller has them flocking back. So at least he is recovering the disillusioned National voters. Now the question is how many of the swinging voters he can attract I guess?

I've got a few hunting mates and they seem to be reacting to the laws by leaning towards ACT or have generally supported the principle under which the laws were enacted and sticking to their previous votes. Split down the middle, but those changing parties are tending towards ACT... And aren't really interested in ACT's other policies, just heading that way as the party that most strongly objected to the gun law reform.

Fat Old Git wrote:I have know idea how I will vote. Ardern has been impressive with the Covid-19 and Chch shooting responses, but it hasn't stopped me remembering that lots of their campaign promises such as kiwibuild have been dismal failures. Something that was always a concern, and doesn't fill me full of confidence for the next stage of the Covid-19 response around rebuilding our economy. Although with the how world borrowing up big, they won't be have to display quite the same fiscal restraint that might normally be expected.

National may be rebuilding after trying hard to self destruct since the last election, but I've yet to see anything particularly inspiring from them policy wise. And they seem more prone to conservative views that I don't think should have much place in the 21st century.

And as for the minor parties...

Thank goodness we have a reasonable competent public service to keep everything ticking along.

Brabus wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:I have know idea how I will vote. Ardern has been impressive with the Covid-19 and Chch shooting responses, but it hasn't stopped me remembering that lots of their campaign promises such as kiwibuild have been dismal failures. Something that was always a concern, and doesn't fill me full of confidence for the next stage of the Covid-19 response around rebuilding our economy. Although with the how world borrowing up big, they won't be have to display quite the same fiscal restraint that might normally be expected.

National may be rebuilding after trying hard to self destruct since the last election, but I've yet to see anything particularly inspiring from them policy wise. And they seem more prone to conservative views that I don't think should have much place in the 21st century.

And as for the minor parties...

Thank goodness we have a reasonable competent public service to keep everything ticking along.

Excellent post. This and the post above stating how Bridges turned off National voters. Far better to look at actual results and policy than charisma. Problem is we (the public) are so focused on the latter that the former is quickly forgotten so we get sound bites and gotcha politics. Powder is kept dry, pork rolled out every 2.5 years, in the mean time partisans spew bile at one another but no meat is ever given to the conversation. Little gave way for Adern for this reason, Key rode high for this reason. Governments should be judged on their delivery of results the opposition on their plans to better those results not on whom you'd rather have a beer with.

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Auckman wrote:I really don't like Tova's "gotcha" style, but I read Nat backbenchers are already leaking stuff to Tova and her crowd.

I tell you, Simon and his crowd will not go quietly into the night. They want revenge. Muller opening the door to Winston will be beyond the pale to them. Looked like Paula Bennett and Judith Collins were exchanging barbs right in front of the media as well.

usermame wrote:

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Yeah? I haven't met too many 'hunters' who own ARs or AKs. Three, maybe. And I've done a little.

guy smiley wrote:

Ted. wrote:
As a gun owner, I couldn't give two fucks for the self-centred, entitled, cammo encased dick heads who are crawling up ATCs arse over the ChCh shooting response. Mind, at least these days some of them are wearing hi-viz orange and red, to warn you of their approach. I guess the wives buy for those ones.

Careful. Booji Boy’s mate’s might get angry.

I’d give a Labour a vote over National any day of the week. Their focus is people, their policy direction is geared towards a better deal for those that need it. An unholy alliance with NZ First compromises that and I want to see them get a crack without having that weighing them down.

guy smiley wrote:

Ted. wrote:
As a gun owner, I couldn't give two fucks for the self-centred, entitled, cammo encased dick heads who are crawling up ATCs arse over the ChCh shooting response. Mind, at least these days some of them are wearing hi-viz orange and red, to warn you of their approach. I guess the wives buy for those ones.

Careful. Booji Boy’s mate’s might get angry.

I’d give a Labour a vote over National any day of the week. Their focus is people, their policy direction is geared towards a better deal for those that need it. An unholy alliance with NZ First compromises that and I want to see them get a crack without having that weighing them down.

guy smiley wrote:
I’d give a Labour a vote over National any day of the week. Their focus is people, their policy direction is geared towards a better deal for those that need it. An unholy alliance with NZ First compromises that and I want to see them get a crack without having that weighing them down.

guy smiley wrote:

booji boy wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Ted. wrote:
As a gun owner, I couldn't give two fucks for the self-centred, entitled, cammo encased dick heads who are crawling up ATCs arse over the ChCh shooting response. Mind, at least these days some of them are wearing hi-viz orange and red, to warn you of their approach. I guess the wives buy for those ones.

Careful. Booji Boy’s mate’s might get angry.

I’d give a Labour a vote over National any day of the week. Their focus is people, their policy direction is geared towards a better deal for those that need it. An unholy alliance with NZ First compromises that and I want to see them get a crack without having that weighing them down.

It was Gordon Bennett who raised the topic you dozy twat. But don't let the facts get in the way of another one of your dull diatribes.

Who brought it up has little to do with it. You chose to share your pearl... man up and cop it if you get a reaction.


Jammy, I don’t hide my left leaning preferences, it shouldn’t be a surprise. I don’t relentlessly push that at anyone like a few tend to though. I reckon it’ll be interesting to see how Labour manage from here on in... they have some decent performers but it falls away quickly, just as the Nats seem to. I don’t know if the talent at the top is enough to carry them and convince the vote... as I said I’d like to see them swing enough their way to govern without NZ First dragging them away from their preferred policy direction. We aren’t seeing Labour govern in their own right, I’d like to see what they could do with that.

Ardern stands out (and pisses off a lot of old school types) because she doesn’t seem to be ‘performing’ as PM. She manages to carry the impression she’s genuinely being herself in office... I don’t think you can fake that. What you see is who she is. I think that’s worth it’s weight in gold in a political climate of deception on a grand scale. Look outside of NZ at the clusterfuck that is politics... that integrity in office is vital for the wider population looking to negotiate some shitty times headed their way.

booji boy wrote:

usermame wrote:

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Yeah? I haven't met too many 'hunters' who own ARs or AKs. Three, maybe. And I've done a little.

Don't know the specifics. I'm not a hunter and these guys weren't into hunting when we became friends in the nineties but it's a hobby they have gotten into over the past couple of decades. I've just heard them refer to Ardern as 'the gun thief' when discussing Labour. All I know is they hunt mainly deer on private property somewhere around Whanganui. I've seen the Facebook posts to prove it.

Wilderbeast wrote:We have done well so far by following the experts advice. My preference is we continue to do so. No experts are recommending an early return to level 1.

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:

usermame wrote:

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Yeah? I haven't met too many 'hunters' who own ARs or AKs. Three, maybe. And I've done a little.

Don't know the specifics. I'm not a hunter and these guys weren't into hunting when we became friends in the nineties but it's a hobby they have gotten into over the past couple of decades. I've just heard them refer to Ardern as 'the gun thief' when discussing Labour. All I know is they hunt mainly deer on private property somewhere around Whanganui. I've seen the Facebook posts to prove it.

So can they no longer hunt? Has Jacinda taken all their guns? Or are they only able to run around with knives and dogs now when they hunt?

My cousin said the same shit to me and I asked him these questions, neither him nor any of his hunting mates were actually effected by the legislation change yet they were melting down about. Funnily enough when the massacre happened they were all over Facebook with their thoughts and prayers type bullshit and how did this happen in little old NZ.

Fat Old Git wrote:

Wilderbeast wrote:We have done well so far by following the experts advice. My preference is we continue to do so. No experts are recommending an early return to level 1.

I'm also happy with this, although my job security and income aren't on the line so it's not a difficult position to support.

I don't have a dog in this fight and it doesn't affect me personally at all but I don't think we should be so dismissive of the rights of those that are affected.

booji boy wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:

usermame wrote:

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Yeah? I haven't met too many 'hunters' who own ARs or AKs. Three, maybe. And I've done a little.

Don't know the specifics. I'm not a hunter and these guys weren't into hunting when we became friends in the nineties but it's a hobby they have gotten into over the past couple of decades. I've just heard them refer to Ardern as 'the gun thief' when discussing Labour. All I know is they hunt mainly deer on private property somewhere around Whanganui. I've seen the Facebook posts to prove it.

So can they no longer hunt? Has Jacinda taken all their guns? Or are they only able to run around with knives and dogs now when they hunt?

My cousin said the same shit to me and I asked him these questions, neither him nor any of his hunting mates were actually effected by the legislation change yet they were melting down about. Funnily enough when the massacre happened they were all over Facebook with their thoughts and prayers type bullshit and how did this happen in little old NZ.

Look, the only gun I've ever owned was a .177 calibre air rifle when I was a kid. But if shooting and hunting are your sport/passion it would piss me off, as a law abiding citizen who complies with all the rules, having to hand my guns over and be poorly compensated for them. All because a deranged Australian gunman, who was only in the country a few months, ran amok murdering 51 innocent people. Meanwhile gun crime is up because none of the crims handed in their guns. So are we really any safer now that all the law abiding citizens have handed over their guns?

I don't have a dog in this fight and it doesn't affect me personally at all but I don't think we should be so dismissive of the rights of those that are affected.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12332682

UncleFB wrote: FYI - I wasn't taking a shot at you. If anything I took a shot at my cousin ... and I genuinely like him, he's a good bloke outside of this gun issue where he's gone stupidly American about it.

guy smiley wrote:So, gun crime is on the increase and by moving to reduce the number of guns available the govt is reducing individual rights.

Ok.

UncleFB wrote:FYI - I wasn't taking a shot at you.

usermame wrote:

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Yeah? I haven't met too many 'hunters' who own ARs or AKs. Three, maybe. And I've done a little.

deadduck wrote:

guy smiley wrote:So, gun crime is on the increase and by moving to reduce the number of guns available the govt is reducing individual rights.

Ok.

A massive increase in the last two years to 2.4 deaths per million people.
It's a crisis!

booji boy wrote:

Auckman wrote:I really don't like Tova's "gotcha" style, but I read Nat backbenchers are already leaking stuff to Tova and her crowd.

I tell you, Simon and his crowd will not go quietly into the night. They want revenge. Muller opening the door to Winston will be beyond the pale to them. Looked like Paula Bennett and Judith Collins were exchanging barbs right in front of the media as well.

It wasn't a good look was it. The question about diversity. fudge sake he's selected a heap of women but nothing is ever good enough these days. Imagine selecting the people he feels are most qualified and competent for the role? Heaven forbid!

Ted. wrote:

booji boy wrote:

Auckman wrote:I really don't like Tova's "gotcha" style, but I read Nat backbenchers are already leaking stuff to Tova and her crowd.

I tell you, Simon and his crowd will not go quietly into the night. They want revenge. Muller opening the door to Winston will be beyond the pale to them. Looked like Paula Bennett and Judith Collins were exchanging barbs right in front of the media as well.

It wasn't a good look was it. The question about diversity. fudge sake he's selected a heap of women but nothing is ever good enough these days. Imagine selecting the people he feels are most qualified and competent for the role? Heaven forbid!

If they have a lack of diversity in National in general, then that will be reflected in the talent that is in parliament.

Maniototo Man wrote:

Ted. wrote:

booji boy wrote:

Auckman wrote:I really don't like Tova's "gotcha" style, but I read Nat backbenchers are already leaking stuff to Tova and her crowd.

I tell you, Simon and his crowd will not go quietly into the night. They want revenge. Muller opening the door to Winston will be beyond the pale to them. Looked like Paula Bennett and Judith Collins were exchanging barbs right in front of the media as well.

It wasn't a good look was it. The question about diversity. fudge sake he's selected a heap of women but nothing is ever good enough these days. Imagine selecting the people he feels are most qualified and competent for the role? Heaven forbid!

If they have a lack of diversity in National in general, then that will be reflected in the talent that is in parliament.

That's the way I see it. They are a party of the right and a party of the white.

Yes, Simon and Paula could claim some Maori ancestry but in the case of Bridges he struggled to even say 'Key-aura' - let alone replicate it.

deadduck wrote:

guy smiley wrote:So, gun crime is on the increase and by moving to reduce the number of guns available the govt is reducing individual rights.

Ok.

A massive increase in the last two years to 2.4 deaths per million people.
It's a crisis!

Enzedder wrote:

deadduck wrote:

guy smiley wrote:So, gun crime is on the increase and by moving to reduce the number of guns available the govt is reducing individual rights.

Ok.

A massive increase in the last two years to 2.4 deaths per million people.
It's a crisis!

So why did more National MPs vote for it than Labour ones???

booji boy wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

booji boy wrote:

usermame wrote:

booji boy wrote:Yeah my hunting buddies can't stand this Govt. They refer disparagingly to Ardern as 'the gun thief'.

Yeah? I haven't met too many 'hunters' who own ARs or AKs. Three, maybe. And I've done a little.

Don't know the specifics. I'm not a hunter and these guys weren't into hunting when we became friends in the nineties but it's a hobby they have gotten into over the past couple of decades. I've just heard them refer to Ardern as 'the gun thief' when discussing Labour. All I know is they hunt mainly deer on private property somewhere around Whanganui. I've seen the Facebook posts to prove it.

So can they no longer hunt? Has Jacinda taken all their guns? Or are they only able to run around with knives and dogs now when they hunt?

My cousin said the same shit to me and I asked him these questions, neither him nor any of his hunting mates were actually effected by the legislation change yet they were melting down about. Funnily enough when the massacre happened they were all over Facebook with their thoughts and prayers type bullshit and how did this happen in little old NZ.

Look, the only gun I've ever owned was a .177 calibre air rifle when I was a kid. But if shooting and hunting are your sport/passion it would piss me off, as a law abiding citizen who complies with all the rules, having to hand my guns over and be poorly compensated for them. All because a deranged Australian gunman, who was only in the country a few months, ran amok murdering 51 innocent people. Meanwhile gun crime is up because none of the crims handed in their guns. So are we really any safer now that all the law abiding citizens have handed over their guns?

I don't have a dog in this fight and it doesn't affect me personally at all but I don't think we should be so dismissive of the rights of those that are affected.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12332682

kiwinoz wrote:Gun crime in NZ will be increasing because of Australian exports of their criminals.

Ted. wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:Gun crime in NZ will be increasing because of Australian exports of their criminals.

So what do we do about that i n the face of unsympathetic Aussie pollies?

booji boy wrote:

Ted. wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:Gun crime in NZ will be increasing because of Australian exports of their criminals.

So what do we do about that i n the face of unsympathetic Aussie pollies?

Yeah we're screwed!

Fair play to Jacinda, she tried!