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Fat Old Git wrote:

Demilich wrote:The more party-tribalism bollocks I see in the lead-up to the election, the more inclined I am to "waste" my vote on the TOP party. Doesn't appear to be any other options that will take a pragmatic approach to policy, as opposed to just vote "buying" measures. Really do appear to be on a path towards a genuine Idiocracy in the future.

As for my local MP - there really needs to be an option to vote against a single candidate, rather than for one - "anyone but Shane Jones" will do for me.

As someone firmly in the anyone but Gerry Brownlee camp I endorse the introduction of this option.

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

booji boy wrote:

brat wrote:

booji boy wrote:Just following the social media trends I saw a lot of natural National supporters return to the fold when Muller took over. Bridges had literally driven away some of the dyed in the wool, true blue voters. He was that bad. Whilst everyone was disappointed in Mullers dismally short reign I think those same voters are still much happier with Collins than Bridges.

Meanwhile I'm seeing more swinging voters who are becoming disillusioned with this Govts constant bungling of the border controls and the complete lack of accountability for all the failings.

I think the vote on 17 October might be closer than it was once looking. Still a comfortable win for Labour but perhaps not the bloodbath it was once shaping up to be.

Yes I think election night will be a bit closer with national ending up in the mid, possibly late 30s

I think ACT will end up with a few disgruntled Nat supporters and get over the 5% threshold, nzf gone

Based on nationals pre Covid figures there are obviously a lot of Nat swing voters- bridge can’t have been that bad at that point because they were polling about 44%

Hmm ... good point.

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Flockwitt wrote:Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.

Demilich wrote:The more party-tribalism bollocks I see in the lead-up to the election, the more inclined I am to "waste" my vote on the TOP party. Doesn't appear to be any other options that will take a pragmatic approach to policy, as opposed to just vote "buying" measures. Really do appear to be on a path towards a genuine Idiocracy in the future.

As for my local MP - there really needs to be an option to vote against a single candidate, rather than for one - "anyone but Shane Jones" will do for me.

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

That did make me chuckle. Also she missed an opportunity to have a nice chart on display.

You can't do that.

Flockwitt wrote:Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

deadduck wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.

deadduck wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.

Asked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell told Swedish radio "yes, absolutely."

"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"

Kiwias wrote:

deadduck wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.

From the man in charge of the response, Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency,

Asked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell told Swedish radio "yes, absolutely."

Then he said this

"If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"

I think that the point is that in the early days, no-one knew precisely what they know about it now.

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/0 ... ne-deeper/

Ted. wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

There's a much more in-depth take on it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... wedens-way

deadduck wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.

Dark wrote:

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing

UncleFB wrote:

Dark wrote:

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing

You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.

UncleFB wrote:

Dark wrote:

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing

You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.

Wilderbeast wrote:Wasn’t she responding to a question?

deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.

Enzedder wrote:

deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.

Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.

UncleFB wrote:

Dark wrote:

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing

You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.

Muttonbirds wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.

Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.

Would love to hear from Tegnell. Particularly about his idea children should be used to spread the virus as quickly as possible.

Harveys wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

Dark wrote:

JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.

I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.

Must be a micro aggressions thing

You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.

Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.

Darks doing a good job of coming across as the yin to the wacky yang he’s so hung up on.

Muttonbirds wrote:

deadduck wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.

JB1981 wrote:I was worried about how things may go when community transmission appeared but seeing Muttonbirds back gives me confidence that we have recovered the situation, however the virus reappeared.

Dark wrote:My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.

Harveys wrote:

Dark wrote:My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.

It looked more like you were suggesting trumps retarded comments had somehow “triggered” your PMs rightful response. No?

jambanja wrote:

Muttonbirds wrote:

deadduck wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html

Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.



The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.

Ahh fuck you’re back, pity it was rather pleasant for a week or so