Re: NZ Politics Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:34 am
Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
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The Australian STV method effectively allows this by allowing you to give alternative preferences if your favoured candidate drops out of the running during the tally-up. Makes for a much more complicated electorate count, but you can effectively vote for anyone but.Fat Old Git wrote:As someone firmly in the anyone but Gerry Brownlee camp I endorse the introduction of this option.Demilich wrote:The more party-tribalism bollocks I see in the lead-up to the election, the more inclined I am to "waste" my vote on the TOP party. Doesn't appear to be any other options that will take a pragmatic approach to policy, as opposed to just vote "buying" measures. Really do appear to be on a path towards a genuine Idiocracy in the future.
As for my local MP - there really needs to be an option to vote against a single candidate, rather than for one - "anyone but Shane Jones" will do for me.
JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
This article sort of articulates what you are both saying. It concludes that it will probably be closer, but no cigar.booji boy wrote:Hmm ... good point.brat wrote:Yes I think election night will be a bit closer with national ending up in the mid, possibly late 30sbooji boy wrote:Just following the social media trends I saw a lot of natural National supporters return to the fold when Muller took over. Bridges had literally driven away some of the dyed in the wool, true blue voters. He was that bad. Whilst everyone was disappointed in Mullers dismally short reign I think those same voters are still much happier with Collins than Bridges.
Meanwhile I'm seeing more swinging voters who are becoming disillusioned with this Govts constant bungling of the border controls and the complete lack of accountability for all the failings.
I think the vote on 17 October might be closer than it was once looking. Still a comfortable win for Labour but perhaps not the bloodbath it was once shaping up to be.
I think ACT will end up with a few disgruntled Nat supporters and get over the 5% threshold, nzf gone
Based on nationals pre Covid figures there are obviously a lot of Nat swing voters- bridge can’t have been that bad at that point because they were polling about 44%
There's a much more in-depth take on it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... wedens-wayFat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
Yes, and I have the suspicion that porkies are not limited to this particular instance.Flockwitt wrote:Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.
Crazy thing is that if TOP got an Epsom deal, I think they would then end up over the 5% anyway.Demilich wrote:The more party-tribalism bollocks I see in the lead-up to the election, the more inclined I am to "waste" my vote on the TOP party. Doesn't appear to be any other options that will take a pragmatic approach to policy, as opposed to just vote "buying" measures. Really do appear to be on a path towards a genuine Idiocracy in the future.
As for my local MP - there really needs to be an option to vote against a single candidate, rather than for one - "anyone but Shane Jones" will do for me.
Jay Cee Gee wrote:You can't do that.Fat Old Git wrote:That did make me chuckle. Also she missed an opportunity to have a nice chart on display.JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
Surely genomic sequencing tests would've shown up anyone telling porkies by now? There would've been a clear match made like that contractor at the Rydges Hotel and the US returnee.Flockwitt wrote:Still no idea of who or how the initial case happened despite the blanket testing. I’d say the odds are starting to trend now that somebody is telling porkies. Pleased the govt is getting more professional people in.
Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
I mean, he specifically says "Don't listen to me, listen to the experts".deadduck wrote:Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
From the man in charge of the response, Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency,deadduck wrote:Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
Then he said thisAsked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell told Swedish radio "yes, absolutely."
I think that the point is that in the early days, no-one knew precisely what they know about it now."If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"
I'll give this another go here.Kiwias wrote:From the man in charge of the response, Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency,deadduck wrote:Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.Then he said thisAsked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell told Swedish radio "yes, absolutely."I think that the point is that in the early days, no-one knew precisely what they know about it now."If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done"
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/0 ... ne-deeper/
There's charts and graphs and information from Sweden and everything. But let's keep banging on about straw man Mulligan.Ted. wrote:There's a much more in-depth take on it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... wedens-wayFat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
deadduck wrote:Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.Dark wrote:JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.
Must be a micro aggressions thing
No I wouldn'tUncleFB wrote:You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.Dark wrote:JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.
Must be a micro aggressions thing
Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
It seems that any response to the Orange Buffoon's comments mean that Ardern has been triggered, rather than just her clarifying the situation in the two countries. Whatever.UncleFB wrote:You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.Dark wrote:JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.
Must be a micro aggressions thing
Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
I can’t remember. I thought good on her for making the point though. She didn’t name any names or talk about clearing up erroneous statements, she just factually compared the two countries.Wilderbeast wrote:Wasn’t she responding to a question?
Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
Would love to hear from Tegnell. Particularly about his idea children should be used to spread the virus as quickly as possible.Enzedder wrote:Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
Darks doing a good job of coming across as the yin to the wacky yang he’s so hung up on.UncleFB wrote:You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.Dark wrote:JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.
Must be a micro aggressions thing
Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
Muttonbirds wrote:Would love to hear from Tegnell. Particularly about his idea children should be used to spread the virus as quickly as possible.Enzedder wrote:Perhaps you should call the National Mouthpieces on Newstalk ZB and make the suggestion.deadduck wrote:The point I was making is that there's always this comparison from the outside to either lockdown vs no lockdown, or Sweden vs its Scandinavian neighbours but neither dichotomy is appropriate and that's why it's important to talk to an actual expert on the Swedish strategy and not just the most conveniently media savvy academic from NZ who understands it superficially. Media should stop treating Tegnell like some kind of shill for Big Covid and interview him to get first hand information about the state of Sweden's pandemic. He's generally been quite forthcoming.
My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.Harveys wrote:Darks doing a good job of coming across as the yin to the wacky yang he’s so hung up on.UncleFB wrote:You're an old ball, supposed leader of the free world with blanket press coverage calls out NZ and we're just supposed to lump it because Jacinda is of the left.Dark wrote:JB1981 wrote: Jacinda Ardern has just done a cases per million comparison of us vs. the USA. I wonder if that will get back to Donald Trump.
I thought the funny bit is the orange idiot has managed to trigger the hand wringing lefty on the other side of the world.
Must be a micro aggressions thing
Crusher would lay into him if she was in charge and you'd be trumpeting her as the strong leader we deserve.
Ahh fuck you’re back, pity it was rather pleasant for a week or soMuttonbirds wrote:deadduck wrote:Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.
I as an Auckland based poster am heavily affected by the outbreak. It has ruined my work just when we had a bit of momentum. I'm worried for myself and my family. It's taken be a while to recover, sorry.JB1981 wrote:I was worried about how things may go when community transmission appeared but seeing Muttonbirds back gives me confidence that we have recovered the situation, however the virus reappeared.
It looked more like you were suggesting trumps retarded comments had somehow “triggered” your PMs rightful response. No?Dark wrote:My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.
Harveys wrote:It looked more like you were suggesting trumps retarded comments had somehow “triggered” your PMs rightful response. No?Dark wrote:My apologies for questioning my govts competencies with theIr isolation and testing history given the circumstances.
Whilst this thread may have been worse if Muttonbird had also been posting, the last week and the lobotomised 'debate' between Dark and Eugenius has perhaps been this thread's nadir.jambanja wrote:Ahh fuck you’re back, pity it was rather pleasant for a week or soMuttonbirds wrote:deadduck wrote:Jesse Mulligan should heed his own advice.Fat Old Git wrote:Anyone see this comparison with Sweden's approach last night?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ponse.html
The annoying thing about the commentary on Sweden's pandemic especially in NZ is that there's never any input from the Swedish.