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terangi48 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:03 am Image
Comong from someone whose top five contains 3 stale old males
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Hypocrisy.

That one word the left never seem to learn
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Eugenius wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:18 am He does know he’s now ignored right ?

🤷🏼‍♂️
His posts are directed to himself only, and to nobody else. He's the wisest person he knows.
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I think he’s really alone.

It’s actually bloody sad .

He’s reaching out
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Auckman wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:33 am Did anyone else hear about losing incumbent MPs personally showing up at the winning candidate's election night HQ to concede in person? Apparently it's a bit of a tradition in the rural seats. Given their long stints, Nick Smith in Nelson and Jonathan Young in New Plymouth are the standouts for rocking up to the Labour candidate's party to do the deed. They were reportedly given standing ovations by the Labour supporters.

That's quite nice isn't it?
Also happened in both the Hamilton seats, with Tim Macindoe and David Bennett both turning up to their opponents' parties to concede.
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Bloody hell :lol:
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:15 pm
Auckman wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:33 am Did anyone else hear about losing incumbent MPs personally showing up at the winning candidate's election night HQ to concede in person? Apparently it's a bit of a tradition in the rural seats. Given their long stints, Nick Smith in Nelson and Jonathan Young in New Plymouth are the standouts for rocking up to the Labour candidate's party to do the deed. They were reportedly given standing ovations by the Labour supporters.

That's quite nice isn't it?
Also happened in both the Hamilton seats, with Tim Macindoe and David Bennett both turning up to their opponents' parties to concede.
The political equivalent of having a drink with the opponent after the game. Would like to see more collegial stuff like this happening in politics.
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Brilliantly done.
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:15 pm
Auckman wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:33 am Did anyone else hear about losing incumbent MPs personally showing up at the winning candidate's election night HQ to concede in person? Apparently it's a bit of a tradition in the rural seats. Given their long stints, Nick Smith in Nelson and Jonathan Young in New Plymouth are the standouts for rocking up to the Labour candidate's party to do the deed. They were reportedly given standing ovations by the Labour supporters.

That's quite nice isn't it?
Also happened in both the Hamilton seats, with Tim Macindoe and David Bennett both turning up to their opponents' parties to concede.

Class - ✅
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Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:57 pm
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:39 pm
Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:33 pm What did they achieve Dark? Seems like they achieved sfa from my viewpoint. The Maori Party today are a much different more dangerous kettle of fish to 10 years ago. They are economically and socially illiterate and will see this country head the way of South Africa.

Whanau Ora.

Massive push for Te Reo by Pita,.

Just for a sec ask what Labour have ever done, and get back to me
And what has Whanau Ora achieved?

Maori language is heading to extinction.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshu ... y.amp.html
All language revitalisation experts say that it takes 1 generation to lose a language and 3 generations to get it back. It really is a long game when it comes to language revitalisation, not the 3-5 year term that you typically see with government programmes where people want to see immediate results. On another matter, the primary purpose of Whānau Ora is not to revitalise the Māori language, but to empower whānau to attain whatever goals they identify for themselves.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:31 am
mr bungle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:59 am
tubbyj wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:54 am Didn't you back National under John Key?
I’ve voted all over the spectrum. But that’s done with an understanding that there is no one party that covers my ideology. I can cherry pick from most parties. Greens for this, but not for that. Nats for this, but not for that etc etc etc. I am skeptical of the one party, unwavering, stalwarts. Strange people.
Your ideology is confused then. If you don't know what you stand for at your age, you never will. I find that strange.
Don't be silly no political ideology is consistent, nor does any parties ideology or policies remain consistent over time. It's only natural most of a population will not entirely align with any party and as parties offer new policies over time they will be attractive to different people.
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:15 pm
Auckman wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:33 am Did anyone else hear about losing incumbent MPs personally showing up at the winning candidate's election night HQ to concede in person? Apparently it's a bit of a tradition in the rural seats. Given their long stints, Nick Smith in Nelson and Jonathan Young in New Plymouth are the standouts for rocking up to the Labour candidate's party to do the deed. They were reportedly given standing ovations by the Labour supporters.

That's quite nice isn't it?
Also happened in both the Hamilton seats, with Tim Macindoe and David Bennett both turning up to their opponents' parties to concede.
I like that.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:41 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:31 am
mr bungle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:59 am
tubbyj wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:54 am Didn't you back National under John Key?
I’ve voted all over the spectrum. But that’s done with an understanding that there is no one party that covers my ideology. I can cherry pick from most parties. Greens for this, but not for that. Nats for this, but not for that etc etc etc. I am skeptical of the one party, unwavering, stalwarts. Strange people.
Your ideology is confused then. If you don't know what you stand for at your age, you never will. I find that strange.
Don't be silly no political ideology is consistent, nor does any parties ideology or policies remain consistent over time. It's only natural most of a population will not entirely align with any party and as parties offer new policies over time they will be attractive to different people.
It's Muttonbirds. He was born silly.
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Tehui wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:27 am
Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:57 pm
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:39 pm
Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:33 pm What did they achieve Dark? Seems like they achieved sfa from my viewpoint. The Maori Party today are a much different more dangerous kettle of fish to 10 years ago. They are economically and socially illiterate and will see this country head the way of South Africa.

Whanau Ora.

Massive push for Te Reo by Pita,.

Just for a sec ask what Labour have ever done, and get back to me
And what has Whanau Ora achieved?

Maori language is heading to extinction.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshu ... y.amp.html
All language revitalisation experts say that it takes 1 generation to lose a language and 3 generations to get it back. It really is a long game when it comes to language revitalisation, not the 3-5 year term that you typically see with government programmes where people want to see immediate results. On another matter, the primary purpose of Whānau Ora is not to revitalise the Māori language, but to empower whānau to attain whatever goals they identify for themselves.
Yeah, I was confused while reading that. I wonder if this a commonly held view in NZ?

Edit: Also, re: darks comment about Pita andTe Reo, the Te Reo push had been happening long before the Maori Party were even an ill thought out twinkle in Whaea Tariana and Matua Pita's eyes.
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UncleFB wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:10 am
Tehui wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:27 am
Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:57 pm
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:39 pm
Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:33 pm What did they achieve Dark? Seems like they achieved sfa from my viewpoint. The Maori Party today are a much different more dangerous kettle of fish to 10 years ago. They are economically and socially illiterate and will see this country head the way of South Africa.

Whanau Ora.

Massive push for Te Reo by Pita,.

Just for a sec ask what Labour have ever done, and get back to me
And what has Whanau Ora achieved?

Maori language is heading to extinction.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshu ... y.amp.html
All language revitalisation experts say that it takes 1 generation to lose a language and 3 generations to get it back. It really is a long game when it comes to language revitalisation, not the 3-5 year term that you typically see with government programmes where people want to see immediate results. On another matter, the primary purpose of Whānau Ora is not to revitalise the Māori language, but to empower whānau to attain whatever goals they identify for themselves.
Yeah, I was confused while reading that. I wonder if this a commonly held view in NZ?
And as you know better than anyone else, like all initiatives that come out of the community, it soon becomes diluted when the government starts administering it through regulation, reporting mechanisms, contestable funding processes, etc.
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Monkey Magic wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:14 am Anyone got any ideas on who will end up running what

Especially for foreign affairs, defence and taking on the shitshow of oranga tamariki from Tracey Martin

And surely hipkins can't keep all his portfolios
Kiweez and GON work there so they have the best clues.

I reckon Chris Hipkins remains as Health minister + Dr Ayesha Verrall, Dr Liz Craig and Peeni Henare as Associate Ministers.

I'd like to see:
Jan Tinetti - Education; Jo Luxton as Associate Minister (ECE)

David Parker - Foreign Affairs + Trade.

Nanaia Mahuta - Children (Oranga Tamariki).

Rino Tirikatene - Tourism; Fisheries

Duncan Webb - Christchurch Regeneration

Willow-Jean Prime - Assoc Justice/Courts/Treaty Negotiations under Andrew Little

Deborah Russell - Assoc Finance

Kieran McAnulty - Regional development minister

Stuart Nash - Defence

Greg O'Connor - Police

James Shaw - Climate Change

Damien O'Connor - Agricultural/Primary Industries etc
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Mahuta for Children would be interesting.

Would put her right in the firing line against Maori party
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Auckman wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:50 am
Monkey Magic wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:14 am Anyone got any ideas on who will end up running what

Especially for foreign affairs, defence and taking on the shitshow of oranga tamariki from Tracey Martin

And surely hipkins can't keep all his portfolios
Kiweez and GON work there so they have the best clues.

I reckon Chris Hipkins remains as Health minister + Dr Ayesha Verrall, Dr Liz Craig and Peeni Henare as Associate Ministers.

I'd like to see:
Jan Tinetti - Education; Jo Luxton as Associate Minister (ECE)

David Parker - Foreign Affairs + Trade.

Nanaia Mahuta - Children (Oranga Tamariki).

Rino Tirikatene - Tourism; Fisheries

Duncan Webb - Christchurch Regeneration

Willow-Jean Prime - Assoc Justice/Courts/Treaty Negotiations under Andrew Little

Deborah Russell - Assoc Finance

Kieran McAnulty - Regional development minister

Stuart Nash - Defence

Greg O'Connor - Police

James Shaw - Climate Change

Damien O'Connor - Agricultural/Primary Industries etc
I don't work there any more (August last year).

A few thoughts:

If somehow Davis gets bypassed for DPM, I suspect he might get Education. In fact he may well get it anyway, if Hipkins sticks with Health (he definitely can't do both long term).

Regional Economic Development portfolio may be subsumed into Economic Development - it was largely there for Matua Shane's lolly scramble in the last Parliament.

Kiri Allan will probably get a portfolio - maybe outside Cabinet, but she may slide into a Cabinet position. They might toss Deborah Russell the Revenue position to go alongside Assoc Finance as you suggest - she's a tax nuffie.
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Referendum result day today.

I am guessing No to dope and Yes to Assisted dying.
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Agree.....sort of......

Yes to assisted dying.........but 50/50 on cannabis reform..... 2pm announcement.
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No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
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Yes on End of Life.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.

It could still flip on special votes as the margin is only 150k votes and there's expected 450k+ special votes
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Basically the way I voted

Euthanasia - f ing straight, Cool

Weed - Who gives a shit
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
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deadduck wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:07 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.

It could still flip on special votes as the margin is only 150k votes and there's expected 450k+ special votes
Not likely, you'd need over 69% of specials to vote yes to overturn the 168,000 lead
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Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:13 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
What a crock of shit.

No cop these days is going to arrest you for smoking a joint of growing a couple of plants in the garden.

The argument everyone goes to jail is bollocks
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Daft thinking - what part of the current legislation is working FFS.

Don't need Winnie now - introduce a private members bill and just do it.
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:13 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
What a crock of shit.

No cop these days is going to arrest you for smoking a joint of growing a couple of plants in the garden.

The argument everyone goes to jail is bollocks
You are genuinely as thick as two planks aren’t you :lol:
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:13 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
What a crock of shit.

No cop these days is going to arrest you for smoking a joint of growing a couple of plants in the garden.

The argument everyone goes to jail is bollocks
That’s a stronger argument for legalization. Leaving laws in the books which are not enforced or inconsistently applied is a very poor outcome.
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:18 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Daft thinking - what part of the current legislation is working FFS.

Don't need Winnie now - introduce a private members bill and just do it.
They can do it any time they want.

To pretend it needs another bill written up is silly
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JPNZ wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 am
Not likely, you'd need over 69% of specials to vote yes to overturn the 168,000 lead
That'd be nice.
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Mr Mike wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:19 am
Dark wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:13 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
What a crock of shit.

No cop these days is going to arrest you for smoking a joint of growing a couple of plants in the garden.

The argument everyone goes to jail is bollocks
That’s a stronger argument for legalization. Leaving laws in the books which are not enforced or inconsistently applied is a very poor outcome.
:thumbup:
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Mr Mike wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:19 am
Dark wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:13 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
What a crock of shit.

No cop these days is going to arrest you for smoking a joint of growing a couple of plants in the garden.

The argument everyone goes to jail is bollocks
That’s a stronger argument for legalization. Leaving laws in the books which are not enforced or inconsistently applied is a very poor outcome.
My point would be who cares?

No one loses out.
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Dark wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:30 am
Mr Mike wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:19 am
Dark wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:13 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Agreed. Time to move on from failed attitudes of the 1950s.
What a crock of shit.

No cop these days is going to arrest you for smoking a joint of growing a couple of plants in the garden.

The argument everyone goes to jail is bollocks
That’s a stronger argument for legalization. Leaving laws in the books which are not enforced or inconsistently applied is a very poor outcome.
My point would be who cares?

No one loses out.
Every year minor drug convictions number in the thousands. Young people, poor people and brown people are all over-represented in those convictions. Do you think that's likely to have a material affect on their quality of life going forward?
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:18 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 am No on Cannabis.

f**king stupid decision, IMO. There's sod all decent arguments in favour of keeping it illegal.

And I gave up smoking weed at 17.
Daft thinking - what part of the current legislation is working FFS.

Don't need Winnie now - introduce a private members bill and just do it.
More effort should be spent on getting rid of the 45 year old "Misuse of drugs" act and update it to something closer to current world standards.
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Great that NZ had a ref on this.
Gives a good flavour of the view of the public...

Regardless of the outcome good process and engagement of people in key items. I hoping technology helps make this easier and more regular. I think there are some topics MPs avoid taking a position on because it alienated voters - this is a way around this...
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:46 am Great that NZ had a ref on this.
Gives a good flavour of the view of the public...

Regardless of the outcome good process and engagement of people in key items. I hoping technology helps make this easier and more regular. I think there are some topics MPs avoid taking a position on because it alienated voters - this is a way around this...
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